Investigative journalist Geoff White has spent a lot of time inside the leaked communications of Conti — the Russian ransomware gang that ran like a corporation, hit Ireland's national health service, extorted the Costa Rican government, and pulled in $180 million in a single year. Geoff joins us to break down how Conti operated, the internal moral debate over hitting hospitals, the jewellery heist that spooked them into apologizing to Saudi royals, and how he tracked down rare video of the gang's elusive alleged boss, a man almost nobody had ever seen. It's a preview of his new BBC series Cyber Hack, dropping June 1st. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices