In this interview, Catherine Austin Fitts looks beneath the surface of screens and algorithms to reveal how systems like Digital ID and programmable money influence our attention, behavior, and culture. Rather than rejecting technology, she encourages us to approach it with discernment and intention, offering a way to steward our digital lives more thoughtfully. If you have ever felt your attention was hijacked or tech felt addictive, this conversation provides the wisdom needed to engage your screens without surrendering your mind. Resources: <ul class="RichTextList-bulleted"> <li>Watch the interview, <a href= "https://thinqmedia.com/videos/navigating-the-digital-control-grid">Navigating the Digital Control Grid</a> by Catherine Austin Fitts on THINQMedia.com.</li> <li>Listen to the extended conversation Gabe Lyons shared with Catherine Austin Fitts, <a href= "https://thinqmedia.com/videos/avoiding-the-digital-control-grid">Avoiding the Digital Control Grid</a>.</li> <li> View a collection of similar talks and conversations at <a href= "https://thinqmedia.com/resilience">THINQMedia.com/resilience</a>. </li> <li>Bring THINQ talks and conversations into your local community with <a href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/thinq-local">THINQ Local</a>.</li> <li>Take the <a href="https://thinqassessment.scoreapp.com">THINQ Assessment</a> to help you understand how you naturally think, learn, and grow in your faith. </li> <li>Subscribe to <a href="https://thinqmedia.com/news">THINQ News & Data</a> to receive news stories every Thursday delivered directly to your inbox.</li> <li> <a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://thinqmedia.com/signup" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener">Create a free THINQ Account</a> and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at thinqmedia.com. </li> <li> Apply the <a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://thinqmedia.com/videos/thinq-framework" target= "_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">THINQ Framework</a> as you think through cultural topics. </li> <li> <a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener">Attend THINQ events</a> where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom: <ul class="RichTextList-bulleted"> <li><a href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/2026summit">Sign up for THINQ Summit 2026 October 1-2 in Nashville, TN.</a></li> </ul> </li> <li> Host a THINQ Let's Talk conversation series in your home: <ul class="RichTextList-bulleted"> <li><a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/relationships" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Let's Talk Relationships</a></li> <li><a href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/civility">Let's Talk Civility</a></li> <li> <a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/mentalhealth" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Let's Talk Mental Health</a> </li> <li> <a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/techdetox" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener">Let's Talk Tech Detox</a> </li> <li><a href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/family">Let's Talk Politics</a></li> </ul> </li> </ul> More from the THINQ Podcast Network: <ul class="RichTextList-bulleted"> <li> <a href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rhythms-for-life/id1477541494"> Rhythms for Life with Rebekah & Gabe Lyons</a> </li> <li> <a href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-informed-parent-with-suzanne-phillips/id1708269607"> The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips</a> </li> <li> <a href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/next-up-with-grant-skeldon-will-chung/id1697898371"> NextUp with Grant Skeldon</a> </li> <li> <a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/undercurrent-with-gabe-lyons/id1683005631" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson</a> </li> <li> <a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/undercurrent-with-gabe-lyons/id1683005631" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons</a> </li> </ul> Now on YouTube! Subscribe, Like, and Share: <ul class="RichTextList-bulleted"> <li> <a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://www.youtube.com/@thinq_media" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener">THINQ Media</a> </li> <li> <a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://www.youtube.com/@gabe_lyons" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener">UnderCurrent</a> with Gabe Lyons </li> <li> <a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://www.youtube.com/@GrantSkeldon" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener">NextUp</a> with Grant Skeldon </li> <li> <a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://www.youtube.com/@rebekah_lyons" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener">Rhythms for Life</a> with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons </li> <li> <a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-informed-parent-with-suzanne-phillips/id1708269607" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The InFormed Parent</a> with Suzanne Phillips </li> </ul>

<description>&lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;p data-pm-slice="1 1 []"&gt;In this interview, Catherine Austin Fitts looks beneath the surface of screens and algorithms to reveal how systems like Digital ID and programmable money influence our attention, behavior, and culture. Rather than rejecting technology, she encourages us to approach it with discernment and intention, offering a way to steward our digital lives more thoughtfully. If you have ever felt your attention was hijacked or tech felt addictive, this conversation provides the wisdom needed to engage your screens without surrendering your mind.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;strong style= "font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, Cantarell, 'Open Sans', 'Helvetica Neue', sans-serif;"&gt; Resources:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;ul class="RichTextList-bulleted"&gt; &lt;li&gt;Watch the interview, &lt;a href= "https://thinqmedia.com/videos/navigating-the-digital-control-grid"&gt;Navigating the Digital Control Grid&lt;/a&gt; by Catherine Austin Fitts on THINQMedia.com.&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt;Listen to the extended conversation Gabe Lyons shared with Catherine Austin Fitts, &lt;a href= "https://thinqmedia.com/videos/avoiding-the-digital-control-grid"&gt;Avoiding the Digital Control Grid&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; View a collection of similar talks and conversations at &lt;a href= "https://thinqmedia.com/resilience"&gt;THINQMedia.com/resilience&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt;Bring THINQ talks and conversations into your local community with &lt;a href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/thinq-local"&gt;THINQ Local&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt;Take the &lt;a href="https://thinqassessment.scoreapp.com"&gt;THINQ Assessment&lt;/a&gt; to help you understand how you naturally think, learn, and grow in your faith. &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt;Subscribe to &lt;a href="https://thinqmedia.com/news"&gt;THINQ News &amp; Data&lt;/a&gt; to receive news stories every Thursday delivered directly to your inbox.&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;u&gt;&lt;a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://thinqmedia.com/signup" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"&gt;Create a free THINQ Account&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/u&gt; and download the THINQ Media app on your smart TV to access more trusted content like this on topics from all channels of culture at thinqmedia.com.&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; Apply the &lt;u&gt;&lt;a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://thinqmedia.com/videos/thinq-framework" target= "_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"&gt;THINQ Framework&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/u&gt; as you think through cultural topics.&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;u&gt;&lt;a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"&gt;Attend THINQ events&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/u&gt; where you can gather with like-minded leaders, ask better questions and have conversations that lead to wisdom:&lt;/div&gt; &lt;ul class="RichTextList-bulleted"&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/2026summit"&gt;Sign up for THINQ Summit 2026 October 1-2 in Nashville, TN.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; Host a THINQ Let's Talk conversation series in your home: &lt;/div&gt; &lt;ul class="RichTextList-bulleted"&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/relationships" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"&gt;Let's Talk Relationships&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/civility"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Let's Talk Civility&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;u&gt;&lt;a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/mentalhealth" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"&gt;Let's Talk Mental Health&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;u&gt;&lt;a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/techdetox" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"&gt;Let's Talk Tech Detox&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://events.thinqmedia.com/family"&gt;&lt;u&gt;Let's Talk Politics&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;More from the THINQ Podcast Network:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ul class="RichTextList-bulleted"&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;a href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rhythms-for-life/id1477541494"&gt; Rhythms for Life with Rebekah &amp; Gabe Lyons&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;a href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-informed-parent-with-suzanne-phillips/id1708269607"&gt; The InFormed Parent with Suzanne Phillips&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;a href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/next-up-with-grant-skeldon-will-chung/id1697898371"&gt; NextUp with Grant Skeldon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;u&gt;&lt;a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/undercurrent-with-gabe-lyons/id1683005631" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"&gt;NeuroFaith with Curt Thompson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;u&gt;&lt;a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/undercurrent-with-gabe-lyons/id1683005631" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"&gt;UnderCurrent with Gabe Lyons&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Now on YouTube! Subscribe, Like, and Share: &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ul class="RichTextList-bulleted"&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;u&gt;&lt;a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://www.youtube.com/@thinq_media" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"&gt;THINQ Media&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;u&gt;&lt;a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://www.youtube.com/@gabe_lyons" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"&gt;UnderCurrent&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/u&gt; with Gabe Lyons&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;u&gt;&lt;a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://www.youtube.com/@GrantSkeldon" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"&gt;NextUp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/u&gt; with Grant Skeldon&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;u&gt;&lt;a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href="https://www.youtube.com/@rebekah_lyons" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"&gt;Rhythms for Life&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/u&gt; with Rebekah and Gabe Lyons&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;li&gt; &lt;div class= "TypographyPresentation TypographyPresentation--medium RichText3-paragraph--withVSpacingNormal RichText3-paragraph HighlightSol HighlightSol--buildingBlock"&gt; &lt;u&gt;&lt;a class= "LinkThemeablePresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation LinkPrimaryPresentation--sentimentSelected PrimaryLink HighlightSol HighlightSol--core HighlightSol--buildingBlock" href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-informed-parent-with-suzanne-phillips/id1708269607" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"&gt;The InFormed Parent&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/u&gt; with Suzanne Phillips&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt;</description>

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Navigating the Digital Control Grid: Catherine Austin Fitts | Episode 376

Navigating the Digital Control Grid: Catherine Austin Fitts | Episode 376

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