Traditional custodians are fighting back against climate-destroying gas developments being rammed through by Canadian governments. On this episode of Follow the Money, Hereditary Chief Na&rsquo;Moks of the Wet&rsquo;suwet&rsquo;en Nation, Gwii Lok&rsquo;im Gibuu Jesse Stoeppler of the Gitxsan and Wet&rsquo;suwet&rsquo;en Nations, and Kai Nagata from not-for-profit Dogwood tell us about their fight to stop gas giants including Woodside on unceded Indigenous lands. Join Hereditary Chief Na&rsquo;Moks and Gwii Lok&rsquo;im Gibuu Jesse Stoeppler at the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/events/775669942155504/">Stop Woodside in Canada event</a> at Victorian Trades Hall at 6.15pm AEDT on Thursday 11 December. <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/a-time-for-bravery">A time for Bravery: what happens when Australia chooses courage</a> is available now via Australia Institute Press. Use the code &lsquo;POD5&rsquo; at checkout to save $5 off the price &ndash; available for a limited time only. Guest: Hereditary Chief Na&rsquo;Moks,Wet&rsquo;suwet&rsquo;en Nation Guest: Gwii Lok&rsquo;im Gibuu Jesse Stoeppler, Gitxsan and Wet&rsquo;suwet&rsquo;en Nations and the Skeena Watershed Conservation Coalition Guest: Kai Nagata, Communications Director, Dogwood Host: Leanne Minshull, co-Chief Executive Officer, the Australia Institute // <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/leanneminshull.bsky.social">@leanneminshull</a> Host: Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director, the Australia Institute // <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/ebonybennett.bsky.social">@ebonybennett</a> Show notes: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xxhxGsEpSo">Yintah | Official Trailer | Netflix</a> <a href="https://youtu.be/Bj9VOMKYxSI?si=u2Iol12CCiAAkdC6">The Fight to Save Murujuga</a>, the Australia Institute (May 2025) <a href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-09/canada-traditional-owners-in-australia-to-protest-against-gas/106111960">Canadian traditional owners fear Australian-style LNG development</a> by Charlie McLean and Chelsea Reid, ABC (December 2025) <a href="https://ieefa.org/articles/ksi-lisims-lng-project-faces-significant-infrastructure-regulatory-and-financial-risks">The Ksi Lisims LNG project faces significant infrastructure, regulatory and financial risks</a>, Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis (June 2025) <a href="https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-canada-lng-exports-gas-prices-australia/">Canada, don&rsquo;t make the same mistake with LNG that Australia did</a>&nbsp;by Mark Ogge,&nbsp;The Globe and Mail&nbsp;(July 2025) <a href="https://youtu.be/Lt6Hmp9ndkI?si=ATSFw9dzIAAwWUAw">Honest Government Ad | Watch out, Canada!</a>, The Juice Media on YouTube (November 2025) Theme music: Pulse and Thrum; additional music by Blue Dot Sessions We&rsquo;d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to <a href="mailto:podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au">podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au</a>.<a href="https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate" rel="payment">Support Follow the Money: https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Traditional custodians are fighting back against climate-destroying gas developments being rammed through by Canadian governments.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;On this episode of &lt;em&gt;Follow the Money&lt;/em&gt;, Hereditary Chief Na&amp;rsquo;Moks of the Wet&amp;rsquo;suwet&amp;rsquo;en Nation, Gwii Lok&amp;rsquo;im Gibuu Jesse Stoeppler of the Gitxsan and Wet&amp;rsquo;suwet&amp;rsquo;en Nations, and Kai Nagata from not-for-profit Dogwood tell us about their fight to stop gas giants including Woodside on unceded Indigenous lands.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Join Hereditary Chief Na&amp;rsquo;Moks and Gwii Lok&amp;rsquo;im Gibuu Jesse Stoeppler at the &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/events/775669942155504/"&gt;Stop Woodside in Canada event&lt;/a&gt; at Victorian Trades Hall at 6.15pm AEDT on Thursday 11 December.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/a-time-for-bravery"&gt;&lt;em&gt;A time for Bravery: what happens when Australia chooses courage&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is available now via Australia Institute Press. Use the code &amp;lsquo;POD5&amp;rsquo; at checkout to save $5 off the price &amp;ndash; available for a limited time only.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Guest: &lt;/strong&gt;Hereditary Chief Na&amp;rsquo;Moks,Wet&amp;rsquo;suwet&amp;rsquo;en Nation&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Guest: &lt;/strong&gt;Gwii Lok&amp;rsquo;im Gibuu Jesse Stoeppler, Gitxsan and Wet&amp;rsquo;suwet&amp;rsquo;en Nations and the Skeena Watershed Conservation Coalition&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Guest: &lt;/strong&gt;Kai Nagata, Communications Director, Dogwood&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Host:&lt;/strong&gt; Leanne Minshull, co-Chief Executive Officer, the Australia Institute // &lt;a href="https://bsky.app/profile/leanneminshull.bsky.social"&gt;@leanneminshull&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Host:&lt;/strong&gt; Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director, the Australia Institute // &lt;a href="https://bsky.app/profile/ebonybennett.bsky.social"&gt;@ebonybennett&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Show notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xxhxGsEpSo"&gt;Yintah | Official Trailer | Netflix&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://youtu.be/Bj9VOMKYxSI?si=u2Iol12CCiAAkdC6"&gt;The Fight to Save Murujuga&lt;/a&gt;, the Australia Institute (May 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-09/canada-traditional-owners-in-australia-to-protest-against-gas/106111960"&gt;Canadian traditional owners fear Australian-style LNG development&lt;/a&gt; by Charlie McLean and Chelsea Reid, &lt;em&gt;ABC &lt;/em&gt;(December 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://ieefa.org/articles/ksi-lisims-lng-project-faces-significant-infrastructure-regulatory-and-financial-risks"&gt;The Ksi Lisims LNG project faces significant infrastructure, regulatory and financial risks&lt;/a&gt;, Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis (June 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-canada-lng-exports-gas-prices-australia/"&gt;Canada, don&amp;rsquo;t make the same mistake with LNG that Australia did&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;by Mark Ogge,&amp;nbsp;&lt;em&gt;The Globe and Mail&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;(July 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://youtu.be/Lt6Hmp9ndkI?si=ATSFw9dzIAAwWUAw"&gt;Honest Government Ad | Watch out, Canada!&lt;/a&gt;, The Juice Media on YouTube (November 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Theme music:&lt;/strong&gt; Pulse and Thrum; additional music by Blue Dot Sessions&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;We&amp;rsquo;d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="mailto:podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au"&gt;&lt;em&gt;podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate" rel="payment"&gt;Support Follow the Money: https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;See &lt;a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener"&gt;omnystudio.com/listener&lt;/a&gt; for privacy information.&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Traditional custodians are fighting back against climate-destroying gas developments being rammed through by Canadian governments.

Will Canada follow Australia’s disastrous path on gas?

These days, Aussie music is falling out of the charts, leaving local acts wondering if they&rsquo;ll ever see your face again. INXS. Kyle Minogue. Even the Wiggles. Australia has an incredible musical legacy, but with declining streaming numbers and revenues heading abroad, will the Aussie musician just become somebody we used to know? On this episode of Follow the Money, former Spotify Chief Economist Will Page and Australia Institute Research Manager Morgan Harrington join Ebony Bennett to discuss how to reverse the decline of Australian music. <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/a-time-for-bravery">A time for Bravery: what happens when Australia chooses courage</a> is available now via Australia Institute Press. Use the code &lsquo;POD5&rsquo; at checkout to save $5 off the price &ndash; available for a limited time only. <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/aiming-higher-vantage-point-issue-3">Aiming Higher: Universities and Australia&rsquo;s future</a> by Professor George Williams is also available now. Guest: Will Page, Strategic Advisory, Pivotal Economics Guest: Morgan Harrington, Research Manager, the Australia Institute // <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/mhharrington.bsky.social">@mhharrington</a> Host: Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director, the Australia Institute // <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/ebonybennett.bsky.social">@ebonybennett</a> Show notes: <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/report/australian-music-streaming/">Reversing the decline of Australian music: Australia&rsquo;s &lsquo;one way valve&rsquo; dilemma</a> by Will Page and Morgan Harrington, the Australia Institute (November 2025) <a href="https://immyowusu.com/">Immy Owusu</a> <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4a2c6VZMfp0CdNg1JgSPR9?si=lJSZmfN8TH2ONro-gFy78A">RVG</a> Theme music: Pulse and Thrum; additional music by Blue Dot Sessions We&rsquo;d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to <a href="mailto:podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au">podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au</a>.<a href="https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate" rel="payment">Support Follow the Money: https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;These days, Aussie music is falling out of the charts, leaving local acts wondering if they&amp;rsquo;ll ever see your face again.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;INXS. Kyle Minogue. Even the Wiggles. Australia has an incredible musical legacy, but with declining streaming numbers and revenues heading abroad, will the Aussie musician just become somebody we used to know? On this episode of &lt;em&gt;Follow the Money&lt;/em&gt;, former Spotify Chief Economist Will Page and Australia Institute Research Manager Morgan Harrington join Ebony Bennett to discuss how to reverse the decline of Australian music.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/a-time-for-bravery"&gt;&lt;em&gt;A time for Bravery: what happens when Australia chooses courage&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is available now via Australia Institute Press. Use the code &amp;lsquo;POD5&amp;rsquo; at checkout to save $5 off the price &amp;ndash; available for a limited time only.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/aiming-higher-vantage-point-issue-3"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Aiming Higher: Universities and Australia&amp;rsquo;s future&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Professor George Williams is also available now.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Guest: &lt;/strong&gt;Will Page, Strategic Advisory, Pivotal Economics&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Guest: &lt;/strong&gt;Morgan Harrington, Research Manager, the Australia Institute // &lt;a href="https://bsky.app/profile/mhharrington.bsky.social"&gt;@mhharrington&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Host:&lt;/strong&gt; Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director, the Australia Institute // &lt;a href="https://bsky.app/profile/ebonybennett.bsky.social"&gt;@ebonybennett&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Show notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/report/australian-music-streaming/"&gt;Reversing the decline of Australian music: Australia&amp;rsquo;s &amp;lsquo;one way valve&amp;rsquo; dilemma&lt;/a&gt; by Will Page and Morgan Harrington, the Australia Institute (November 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://immyowusu.com/"&gt;Immy Owusu&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/4a2c6VZMfp0CdNg1JgSPR9?si=lJSZmfN8TH2ONro-gFy78A"&gt;RVG&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Theme music:&lt;/strong&gt; Pulse and Thrum; additional music by Blue Dot Sessions&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;We&amp;rsquo;d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="mailto:podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au"&gt;&lt;em&gt;podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate" rel="payment"&gt;Support Follow the Money: https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;See &lt;a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener"&gt;omnystudio.com/listener&lt;/a&gt; for privacy information.&lt;/p&gt;</description>

These days, Aussie music is falling out of the charts, leaving local acts wondering if they’ll ever see your face again.

Highway to hell? Reversing the decline of Australian music

Australian scientific discoveries have improved people&rsquo;s lives and made the economy more productive &ndash; so why is the CSIRO being forced to shed workers again? On this episode of Follow the Money, Matt Grudnoff and Ebony Bennett discuss the latest job cuts at the CSIRO, why this is a missed opportunity as researchers leave the United States, and why science investment matters for productivity. <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/a-time-for-bravery">A time for Bravery: what happens when Australia chooses courage</a> is available for pre-order now via Australia Institute Press. Use the code &lsquo;SAVE5&rsquo; at checkout to save $5 off the price &ndash; available for a limited time only. <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/aiming-higher-vantage-point-issue-3">Aiming Higher: Universities and Australia&rsquo;s future</a> by Professor George Williams is also available now. Guest: Matt Grudnoff, Senior Economist, the Australia Institute // <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/mattgrudnoff.bsky.social">@mattgrudnoff</a> Host: Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director, the Australia Institute // <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/ebonybennett.bsky.social">@ebonybennett</a> Show notes: <a href="https://thepoint.com.au/news/251127-if-the-governments-top-priority-is-productivity-slashing-the-csiro-budget-does-not-make-sense">If the Government's top priority is productivity, slashing the CSIRO budget does not make sense</a> by Matt Grudnoff, The Point (November 2025) <a href="https://thepoint.com.au/news/251120-the-wage-price-index-wpi-shows-wages-are-up-so-why-doesnt-it-feel-that-way">The Wage Price Index (WPI) shows wages are up. So why doesn't it feel that way?</a> by Matt Grudnoff, The Point (November 2025) <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/who-needs-world-changing-life-saving-science-when-youve-got-rugby-league/">Who needs world-changing, life-saving science when you&rsquo;ve got rugby league?</a> by Ebony Bennett, The Canberra Times (November 2025) Theme music: Pulse and Thrum; additional music by Blue Dot Sessions We&rsquo;d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to <a href="mailto:podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au">podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au</a>.<a href="https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate" rel="payment">Support Follow the Money: https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Australian scientific discoveries have improved people&amp;rsquo;s lives and made the economy more productive &amp;ndash; so why is the CSIRO being forced to shed workers again?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;On this episode of &lt;em&gt;Follow the Money&lt;/em&gt;, Matt Grudnoff and Ebony Bennett discuss the latest job cuts at the CSIRO, why this is a missed opportunity as researchers leave the United States, and why science investment matters for productivity.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/a-time-for-bravery"&gt;&lt;em&gt;A time for Bravery: what happens when Australia chooses courage&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is available for pre-order now via Australia Institute Press. Use the code &amp;lsquo;SAVE5&amp;rsquo; at checkout to save $5 off the price &amp;ndash; available for a limited time only.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/aiming-higher-vantage-point-issue-3"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Aiming Higher: Universities and Australia&amp;rsquo;s future&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Professor George Williams is also available now.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Guest: &lt;/strong&gt;Matt Grudnoff, Senior Economist, the Australia Institute // &lt;a href="https://bsky.app/profile/mattgrudnoff.bsky.social"&gt;@mattgrudnoff&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Host:&lt;/strong&gt; Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director, the Australia Institute // &lt;a href="https://bsky.app/profile/ebonybennett.bsky.social"&gt;@ebonybennett&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Show notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://thepoint.com.au/news/251127-if-the-governments-top-priority-is-productivity-slashing-the-csiro-budget-does-not-make-sense"&gt;If the Government's top priority is productivity, slashing the CSIRO budget does not make sense&lt;/a&gt; by Matt Grudnoff, &lt;em&gt;The Point &lt;/em&gt;(November 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://thepoint.com.au/news/251120-the-wage-price-index-wpi-shows-wages-are-up-so-why-doesnt-it-feel-that-way"&gt;The Wage Price Index (WPI) shows wages are up. So why doesn't it feel that way?&lt;/a&gt; by Matt Grudnoff, &lt;em&gt;The Point &lt;/em&gt;(November 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/who-needs-world-changing-life-saving-science-when-youve-got-rugby-league/"&gt;Who needs world-changing, life-saving science when you&amp;rsquo;ve got rugby league?&lt;/a&gt; by Ebony Bennett, &lt;em&gt;The Canberra Times &lt;/em&gt;(November 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Theme music:&lt;/strong&gt; Pulse and Thrum; additional music by Blue Dot Sessions&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;We&amp;rsquo;d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="mailto:podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au"&gt;&lt;em&gt;podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate" rel="payment"&gt;Support Follow the Money: https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;See &lt;a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener"&gt;omnystudio.com/listener&lt;/a&gt; for privacy information.&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Australian scientific discoveries improve people’s lives and made the economy more productive – so why is the CSIRO being forced to shed workers again?

What have the scientists ever done for us?

With brave climate leadership, says former South Australian Premier Mike Rann, Anthony Albanese could leave a lasting legacy similar to Bob Hawke with Medicare, Paul Keating with compulsory superannuation and Kevin Rudd with the apology to the Stolen Generations. On this episode of Follow the Money, Mike Rann addresses the fossil fuel industry&rsquo;s tobacco-like tactics, South Australia&rsquo;s leadership of progressive reform, and why policy bravery can be great politics, as he delivered the Australia Institute&rsquo;s Hugh Saddler Memorial Lecture. This episode was recorded live on Thursday 13 November. <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/a-time-for-bravery">A time for Bravery: what happens when Australia chooses courage</a>&nbsp;is available for pre-order now via Australia Institute Press. <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/aiming-higher-vantage-point-issue-3">Aiming Higher: Universities and Australia&rsquo;s future</a> by Professor George Williams is also available now. Guest: Mike Rann, Chair of the UK Climate Group and former Premier of South Australia // <a href="https://x.com/Mike_Rann">@Mike_Rann</a> Host: Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director, the Australia Institute // <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/ebonybennett.bsky.social">@ebonybennett</a> Show notes: <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/coalition-offers-crash-course-on-staying-in-opposition-for-forever/">Coalition offers crash course on staying in opposition for forever</a> by Ebony Bennett, The Canberra Times (November 2025) <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/report/australia-last-the-failure-of-australian-gas-policy/">Australia Last: The failure of Australian gas policy</a> by Matthew Saunders and Richard Denniss, the Australia Institute (November 2025) Theme music: Pulse and Thrum; additional music by Blue Dot Sessions We&rsquo;d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to <a href="mailto:podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au">podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au</a>.<a href="https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate" rel="payment">Support Follow the Money: https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;With brave climate leadership, says former South Australian Premier Mike Rann, Anthony Albanese could leave a lasting legacy similar to Bob Hawke with Medicare, Paul Keating with compulsory superannuation and Kevin Rudd with the apology to the Stolen Generations.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;On this episode of &lt;em&gt;Follow the Money&lt;/em&gt;, Mike Rann addresses the fossil fuel industry&amp;rsquo;s tobacco-like tactics, South Australia&amp;rsquo;s leadership of progressive reform, and why policy bravery can be great politics, as he delivered the Australia Institute&amp;rsquo;s Hugh Saddler Memorial Lecture.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;This episode was recorded live on Thursday 13 November.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/a-time-for-bravery"&gt;&lt;em&gt;A time for Bravery: what happens when Australia chooses courage&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;is available for pre-order now via Australia Institute Press.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/aiming-higher-vantage-point-issue-3"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Aiming Higher: Universities and Australia&amp;rsquo;s future&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Professor George Williams is also available now.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Guest:&lt;/strong&gt; Mike Rann, Chair of the UK Climate Group and former Premier of South Australia // &lt;a href="https://x.com/Mike_Rann"&gt;@Mike_Rann&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Host:&lt;/strong&gt; Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director, the Australia Institute // &lt;a href="https://bsky.app/profile/ebonybennett.bsky.social"&gt;@ebonybennett&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Show notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/coalition-offers-crash-course-on-staying-in-opposition-for-forever/"&gt;Coalition offers crash course on staying in opposition for forever&lt;/a&gt; by Ebony Bennett, &lt;em&gt;The Canberra Times&lt;/em&gt; (November 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/report/australia-last-the-failure-of-australian-gas-policy/"&gt;Australia Last: The failure of Australian gas policy&lt;/a&gt; by Matthew Saunders and Richard Denniss, the Australia Institute (November 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Theme music:&lt;/strong&gt; Pulse and Thrum; additional music by Blue Dot Sessions&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;We&amp;rsquo;d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="mailto:podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au"&gt;&lt;em&gt;podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate" rel="payment"&gt;Support Follow the Money: https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;See &lt;a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener"&gt;omnystudio.com/listener&lt;/a&gt; for privacy information.&lt;/p&gt;</description>

With brave climate leadership, says former South Australian Premier Mike Rann, Anthony Albanese could leave a lasting legacy similar to Bob Hawke with Medicare, Paul Keating with compulsory superannuation and Kevin Rudd with the apology to the Stolen Generations.

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Protecting Australia&rsquo;s incredible natural environment from bad policy, spurred on corporate interests and a hostile media, can sometimes feel like an impossible task. But sometimes, people power wins out. On this episode of Follow the Money, former head of the Australian Greens Bob Brown joins Ebony Bennett to discuss the irreplaceable beauty of Australia&rsquo;s natural environment, the current government&rsquo;s efforts to change our nature laws, and his latest book, <a href="https://www.blackincbooks.com.au/books/defiance">Defiance: Stories from Nature and Its Defenders</a>. This episode was recorded live on Friday 31 October as part of our Australia&rsquo;s Biggest Book Club webinar series. Join the <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/events/australias-biggest-book-club/">Book Club</a> to find out about our upcoming webinars with authors. <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/aiming-higher-vantage-point-issue-3">Aiming Higher: Universities and Australia&rsquo;s future</a> by Professor George Williams is available now via Australia Institute Press. Guest: Bob Brown, environmentalist, author and former head of the Australian Greens Host: Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director, the Australia Institute // <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/ebonybennett.bsky.social">@ebonybennett</a> Show notes: <a href="https://www.blackincbooks.com.au/books/defiance">Defiance: Stories from Nature and Its Defenders</a> by Bob Brown, Black Inc. (September 2025) <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/this-shocking-deal-is-a-gross-betrayal-of-millions-of-voters/">This shocking deal is a gross betrayal of millions of voters</a> by Ebony Bennett, The Canberra Times (October 2025) <a href="https://youtu.be/Bj9VOMKYxSI?si=mIaXRu1OrldCrGQx">The fight to save Murujuga</a>, the Australia Institute (June 2025) <a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/north-west-shelf-final-approval-a-climate-economic-and-energy-security-disaster/">North West Shelf final approval a climate, economic and energy security disaster</a>, the Australia Institute (September 2025) Theme music: Pulse and Thrum; additional music by Blue Dot Sessions We&rsquo;d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to <a href="mailto:podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au">podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au</a>.<a href="https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate" rel="payment">Support Follow the Money: https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Protecting Australia&amp;rsquo;s incredible natural environment from bad policy, spurred on corporate interests and a hostile media, can sometimes feel like an impossible task. But sometimes, people power wins out.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;On this episode of &lt;em&gt;Follow the Money&lt;/em&gt;, former head of the Australian Greens Bob Brown joins Ebony Bennett to discuss the irreplaceable beauty of Australia&amp;rsquo;s natural environment, the current government&amp;rsquo;s efforts to change our nature laws, and his latest book, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.blackincbooks.com.au/books/defiance"&gt;Defiance: Stories from Nature and Its Defenders&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;This episode was recorded live on Friday 31 October as part of our Australia&amp;rsquo;s Biggest Book Club webinar series. Join the &lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/events/australias-biggest-book-club/"&gt;Book Club&lt;/a&gt; to find out about our upcoming webinars with authors.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/aiming-higher-vantage-point-issue-3"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Aiming Higher: Universities and Australia&amp;rsquo;s future&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Professor George Williams is available now via Australia Institute Press.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Guest:&lt;/strong&gt; Bob Brown, environmentalist, author and former head of the Australian Greens&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Host:&lt;/strong&gt; Ebony Bennett, Deputy Director, the Australia Institute // &lt;a href="https://bsky.app/profile/ebonybennett.bsky.social"&gt;@ebonybennett&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Show notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.blackincbooks.com.au/books/defiance"&gt;Defiance: Stories from Nature and Its Defenders&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; by Bob Brown, Black Inc. (September 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/this-shocking-deal-is-a-gross-betrayal-of-millions-of-voters/"&gt;This shocking deal is a gross betrayal of millions of voters&lt;/a&gt; by Ebony Bennett, &lt;em&gt;The Canberra Times&lt;/em&gt; (October 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://youtu.be/Bj9VOMKYxSI?si=mIaXRu1OrldCrGQx"&gt;The fight to save Murujuga&lt;/a&gt;, the Australia Institute (June 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/north-west-shelf-final-approval-a-climate-economic-and-energy-security-disaster/"&gt;North West Shelf final approval a climate, economic and energy security disaster&lt;/a&gt;, the Australia Institute (September 2025)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Theme music:&lt;/strong&gt; Pulse and Thrum; additional music by Blue Dot Sessions&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;We&amp;rsquo;d love to hear your feedback on this series, so send in your questions, comments or suggestions for future episodes to &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="mailto:podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au"&gt;&lt;em&gt;podcasts@australiainstitute.org.au&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate" rel="payment"&gt;Support Follow the Money: https://nb.australiainstitute.org.au/donate&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;See &lt;a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener"&gt;omnystudio.com/listener&lt;/a&gt; for privacy information.&lt;/p&gt;</description>

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