In this episode, Stephen Roach sits down with creative collaborators Justin McRoberts, Whitney Hancock, and Corey Frey for a conversation about the art of building authentic creative community.From introducing their new online offering, &quot;The Light Between,&quot; to a behind-the-scenes look at the upcoming <a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'>Breath and the Clay 2026 </a>event, themed &quot;Making Space,&quot; this conversation explores how artists can create meaningful spaces for vulnerability, process, and mutual discovery in their creative work.This episode is a celebration of artistic collaboration, meaningful friendship, and the quiet transformation that happens when we make room for mystery. About the Guests:Corey Frey is a visual artist, poet, and musician based in Frederick, Maryland. Alongside his wife Christy, he co-founded The Well Collaborative, a community devoted to wonder, hospitality, and creativity. Corey serves as Exhibitions Manager at the Delaplaine Arts Center and is also a co-host of the Makers &amp; Mystics Creative Collective book clubs.Justin McRoberts is an author, speaker, musician, and spiritual director whose work bridges storytelling, faith, and creative formation. Through books, retreats, and mentorship, Justin helps people uncover their voice and live with greater authenticity. His work invites individuals and communities into deeper reflection, meaningful transformation, and a more embodied approach to creativity and spiritual life.Whitney Hancock is an embodiment coach and creative director whose work centers on restoring presence, emotional honesty, and embodied spirituality. A former founding director of the Redding City Dance Company, Whitney now leads spaces—online and in person—where movement, breath, and nervous system awareness help people reconnect with the sacred intelligence of their bodies.Stephen Roach is the founder of The Breath &amp; The Clay and host of the Makers &amp; Mystics podcast. He is a poet, creative mentor, and multi-instrumentalist with a background in ethnomusicology and film composition. His forthcoming book, How To See Invisible Things, will be published in October 2026 with Zondervan Reflective.Opportunities &amp; Resources:<ul><li>🎟 Get tickets for The Breath &amp; The Clay 2026 <a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'>thebreathandtheclay.com</a> </li><li>🖋 Connect with Corey Frey <a href='https://coreyfrey.substack.com'>coreyfrey.substack.com</a> </li><li>📘 Justin McRoberts’ new book <a href='https://inthelow.com'>InTheLow.com</a> </li><li>🌿 Learn about Whitney Hancock’s Woven Method <a href='https://palm-racer-ebc.notion.site/The-Woven-Method-Living-Embodied-in-Love-Relationships-and-Purpose-2c9793c6f7988067a3ade28c37f47cbc'>The Woven Method</a> </li></ul>🤍 Support the podcast &amp; join the Makers &amp; Mystics Creative Collective <a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'>patreon.com/makersandmystics</a><ul><li>✨ <a href='https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/HIuLs9MbQzexv17PszWwyQ#/registration'>REGISTER HERE:</a> “THE LIGHT BETWEEN” Gathering — January 8</li></ul> <a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2453582/open_sms">Send us a text</a><a rel="payment" href="http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics ">Support the show</a><a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'>Join the Makers and Mystics Creative Collective</a> <a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'>Get Tickets to The Breath and The Clay 2026</a> featuring Malcolm Guite, Jon Guerra, and Jonathan Pageau! March 20-22 in Winston Salem, NC.

<description>&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Stephen Roach sits down with creative collaborators &lt;b&gt;Justin McRoberts, Whitney Hancock, and Corey Frey&lt;/b&gt; for a conversation about the art of building authentic creative community.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;From introducing their new online offering, &amp;quot;The Light Between,&amp;quot; to a behind-the-scenes look at the upcoming &lt;a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'&gt;&lt;b&gt;Breath and the Clay 2026 &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;event, themed &amp;quot;Making Space,&amp;quot; this conversation explores how artists can create meaningful spaces for vulnerability, process, and mutual discovery in their creative work.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This episode is a celebration of artistic collaboration, meaningful friendship, and the quiet transformation that happens when we make room for mystery. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;About the Guests:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Corey Frey&lt;/b&gt; is a visual artist, poet, and musician based in Frederick, Maryland. Alongside his wife Christy, he co-founded &lt;b&gt;The Well Collaborative&lt;/b&gt;, a community devoted to wonder, hospitality, and creativity. Corey serves as Exhibitions Manager at the Delaplaine Arts Center and is also a co-host of the &lt;em&gt;Makers &amp;amp; Mystics&lt;/em&gt; Creative Collective book clubs.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Justin McRoberts&lt;/b&gt; is an author, speaker, musician, and spiritual director whose work bridges storytelling, faith, and creative formation. Through books, retreats, and mentorship, Justin helps people uncover their voice and live with greater authenticity. His work invites individuals and communities into deeper reflection, meaningful transformation, and a more embodied approach to creativity and spiritual life.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Whitney Hancock&lt;/b&gt; is an embodiment coach and creative director whose work centers on restoring presence, emotional honesty, and embodied spirituality. A former founding director of the Redding City Dance Company, Whitney now leads spaces—online and in person—where movement, breath, and nervous system awareness help people reconnect with the sacred intelligence of their bodies.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Stephen Roach&lt;/b&gt; is the founder of &lt;b&gt;The Breath &amp;amp; The Clay&lt;/b&gt; and host of the &lt;em&gt;Makers &amp;amp; Mystics&lt;/em&gt; podcast. He is a poet, creative mentor, and multi-instrumentalist with a background in ethnomusicology and film composition. His forthcoming book, &lt;em&gt;How To See Invisible Things&lt;/em&gt;, will be published in October 2026 with Zondervan Reflective.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Opportunities &amp;amp; Resources:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;🎟 &lt;b&gt;Get tickets for The Breath &amp;amp; The Clay 2026&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'&gt;thebreathandtheclay.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;🖋 &lt;b&gt;Connect with Corey Frey&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;a href='https://coreyfrey.substack.com'&gt;coreyfrey.substack.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;📘 &lt;b&gt;Justin McRoberts’ new book&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;a href='https://inthelow.com'&gt;InTheLow.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;🌿 &lt;b&gt;Learn about Whitney Hancock’s Woven Method&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;a href='https://palm-racer-ebc.notion.site/The-Woven-Method-Living-Embodied-in-Love-Relationships-and-Purpose-2c9793c6f7988067a3ade28c37f47cbc'&gt;The Woven Method&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;🤍 &lt;b&gt;Support the podcast &amp;amp; join the Makers &amp;amp; Mystics Creative Collective&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'&gt;patreon.com/makersandmystics&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;✨ &lt;a href='https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/HIuLs9MbQzexv17PszWwyQ#/registration'&gt;&lt;b&gt;REGISTER HERE:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;“THE LIGHT BETWEEN”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt; Gathering — January 8&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2453582/open_sms"&gt;Send us a text&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics "&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'&gt;Join the Makers and Mystics Creative Collective&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'&gt;Get Tickets to The Breath and The Clay 2026&lt;/a&gt; featuring Malcolm Guite, Jon Guerra, and Jonathan Pageau! March 20-22 in Winston Salem, NC. &lt;/p&gt;</description>

In this episode, Stephen Roach sits down with creative collaborators Justin McRoberts, Whitney Hancock, and Corey Frey for a conversation about the art of building authentic creative community. From introducing their new online offering, "The Light Between," to a behind-the-scenes look at the upcoming Breath and the Clay 2026 event, themed "Making Space," this conversation explores how artists can create meaningful spaces for vulnerability, process, and mutual discovery in their creative work...

Making Space for Creative Community: Behind the Scenes of Breath and Clay 2026

In this inter-seasonal episode, Stephen Roach is joined by returning guests Paul Anleitner and John Mark McMillan for a discussion of Guillermo del Toro’s new Frankenstein adaptation. Together they explore del Toro’s visual storytelling, the spiritual and theological roots of Mary Shelley’s original vision, and why horror remains one of the most powerful vehicles for truth in our modern age.What We Discuss<ul><li>Mary Shelley’s Origin Story The Geneva “ghost story” challenge, volcanic winter, and the dream that inspired Frankenstein—plus the timely synchronicity with Stephen’s upcoming book.</li><li>Del Toro’s Visual Parable Color symbolism, the contrast between Victor and the creature, and how the film communicates its meaning through pure imagery.</li><li>Theology, Philosophy &amp; Monsters Del Toro’s spiritual connection to the story, humanity’s desire to play creator, and how horror works only within a moral universe.</li><li>Ambition, Ego &amp; Shadow Victor and the creature as two halves of the same self, crucifixion imagery, and why many successful people feel they’ve “created monsters” of their own.</li><li>Why Horror Still Haunts Us Horror as enchantment, ancient narrative patterns, and our longing for stories that reveal hidden cosmic significance.</li></ul>Guests<ul><li>Paul Anleitner – paulanleitner.substack.com</li><li>John Mark McMillan – johnmarkmcmillan.com</li></ul>HostStephen Roach, author of the upcoming How to See Invisible Things (October 2026). makersandmystics.com • thebreathandtheclay.com<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2453582/open_sms">Send us a text</a><a rel="payment" href="http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics ">Support the show</a><a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'>Join the Makers and Mystics Creative Collective</a> <a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'>Get Tickets to The Breath and The Clay 2026</a> featuring Malcolm Guite, Jon Guerra, and Jonathan Pageau! March 20-22 in Winston Salem, NC.

<description>&lt;p&gt;In this inter-seasonal episode, Stephen Roach is joined by returning guests &lt;b&gt;Paul Anleitner&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;John Mark McMillan&lt;/b&gt; for a discussion of Guillermo del Toro’s new &lt;em&gt;Frankenstein&lt;/em&gt; adaptation. Together they explore del Toro’s visual storytelling, the spiritual and theological roots of Mary Shelley’s original vision, and why horror remains one of the most powerful vehicles for truth in our modern age.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;What We Discuss&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mary Shelley’s Origin Story&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt; The Geneva “ghost story” challenge, volcanic winter, and the dream that inspired &lt;em&gt;Frankenstein&lt;/em&gt;—plus the timely synchronicity with Stephen’s upcoming book.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Del Toro’s Visual Parable&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt; Color symbolism, the contrast between Victor and the creature, and how the film communicates its meaning through pure imagery.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Theology, Philosophy &amp;amp; Monsters&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt; Del Toro’s spiritual connection to the story, humanity’s desire to play creator, and how horror works only within a moral universe.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ambition, Ego &amp;amp; Shadow&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt; Victor and the creature as two halves of the same self, crucifixion imagery, and why many successful people feel they’ve “created monsters” of their own.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Why Horror Still Haunts Us&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt; Horror as enchantment, ancient narrative patterns, and our longing for stories that reveal hidden cosmic significance.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Guests&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Paul Anleitner&lt;/b&gt; – paulanleitner.substack.com&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;John Mark McMillan&lt;/b&gt; – johnmarkmcmillan.com&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Host&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Stephen Roach&lt;/b&gt;, author of the upcoming &lt;em&gt;How to See Invisible Things&lt;/em&gt; (October 2026).&lt;br/&gt; makersandmystics.com • thebreathandtheclay.com&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2453582/open_sms"&gt;Send us a text&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics "&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'&gt;Join the Makers and Mystics Creative Collective&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'&gt;Get Tickets to The Breath and The Clay 2026&lt;/a&gt; featuring Malcolm Guite, Jon Guerra, and Jonathan Pageau! March 20-22 in Winston Salem, NC. &lt;/p&gt;</description>

In this inter-seasonal episode, Stephen Roach is joined by returning guests Paul Anleitner and John Mark McMillan for a discussion of Guillermo del Toro’s new Frankenstein adaptation. Together they explore del Toro’s visual storytelling, the spiritual and theological roots of Mary Shelley’s original vision, and why horror remains one of the most powerful vehicles for truth in our modern age. What We Discuss Mary Shelley’s Origin Story  The Geneva “ghost story” challenge, volcanic winter, and ...

Creating Monsters: Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein and the Horror of Unchecked Ambition

In this brief inter-seasonal update, Stephen Roach shares what is happening within the Makers and Mystics community, where the podcast is headed next, and what to expect at the next Breath and The Clay event, March 20-22, 2026. <a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'>The Breath and The Clay</a><a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'>Join our creative collective</a> <a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2453582/open_sms">Send us a text</a><a rel="payment" href="http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics ">Support the show</a><a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'>Join the Makers and Mystics Creative Collective</a> <a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'>Get Tickets to The Breath and The Clay 2026</a> featuring Malcolm Guite, Jon Guerra, and Jonathan Pageau! March 20-22 in Winston Salem, NC.

<description>&lt;p&gt;In this brief inter-seasonal update, Stephen Roach shares what is happening within the Makers and Mystics community, where the podcast is headed next, and what to expect at the next Breath and The Clay event, March 20-22, 2026. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'&gt;The Breath and The Clay&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'&gt;Join our creative collective&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2453582/open_sms"&gt;Send us a text&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics "&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'&gt;Join the Makers and Mystics Creative Collective&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'&gt;Get Tickets to The Breath and The Clay 2026&lt;/a&gt; featuring Malcolm Guite, Jon Guerra, and Jonathan Pageau! March 20-22 in Winston Salem, NC. &lt;/p&gt;</description>

In this brief inter-seasonal update, Stephen Roach shares what is happening within the Makers and Mystics community, where the podcast is headed next, and what to expect at the next Breath and The Clay event, March 20-22, 2026.  The Breath and The Clay Join our creative collective     Send us a text Support the show Join the Makers and Mystics Creative Collective  Get Tickets to The Breath and The Clay 2026 featuring Malcolm Guite, Jon Guerra, and Jonathan Pageau! March 20-22 in Winston ...

A Brief Update from The Monk's Cave | This message will self-destruct in 56 days

In this season finale, Stephen Roach closes out our exploration of creative flow with a rich conversation with several artists from the Makers &amp; Mystics Patreon community. Joining the discussion are artist and educator Angela Houk, writer and branding expert Steve Brock, and poet and visual artist Corey Frey.Together, the crew explores the interplay between resistance and flow—how creative blocks, limitations, and even frustrations can actually become the conditions that allow new work to emerge and personal character to develop. As Wendell Berry reminds us, “the impeded stream is the one that sings.”This episode examines:<ul><li>Why resistance can be a gift in the creative process.</li><li>How Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi’s theory of flow connects to happiness and fulfillment.</li><li>The balance between focus and receptivity in both art and relationships.</li><li>How preparation, practice, and openness set the stage for flow.</li><li>The “radical middle” where challenge and skill converge</li><li>Connecting the experience of flow to the Holy Spirit</li></ul>This is a thoughtful, inspiring conversation on navigating resistance, finding flow, and staying open to the creativity that emerges when we least expect it.Connect with the guests:<a href='https://newjoyarts.org/'>Angela Houk</a><a href='https://www.exploreyourworlds.com/'>Steve Brock</a><a href='https://substack.com/@coreyfrey'>Corey Frey</a>–––Support the Podcast If you’d like to go deeper in these conversations and be part of the Makers &amp; Mystics creative collective, consider joining us on Patreon. You’ll gain access to monthly online gatherings, bonus content, creative prompts, and a vibrant community of artists pursuing faith and imagination together.👉 <a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'>Join the community on Patreon</a><a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2453582/open_sms">Send us a text</a><a rel="payment" href="http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics ">Support the show</a><a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'>Join the Makers and Mystics Creative Collective</a> <a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'>Get Tickets to The Breath and The Clay 2026</a> featuring Malcolm Guite, Jon Guerra, and Jonathan Pageau! March 20-22 in Winston Salem, NC.

<description>&lt;p&gt;In this season finale, Stephen Roach closes out our exploration of &lt;em&gt;creative flow&lt;/em&gt; with a rich conversation with several artists from the Makers &amp;amp; Mystics Patreon community. Joining the discussion are artist and educator &lt;b&gt;Angela Houk&lt;/b&gt;, writer and branding expert &lt;b&gt;Steve Brock&lt;/b&gt;, and poet and visual artist &lt;b&gt;Corey Frey&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Together, the crew explores the interplay between &lt;em&gt;resistance and flow&lt;/em&gt;—how creative blocks, limitations, and even frustrations can actually become the conditions that allow new work to emerge and personal character to develop. As Wendell Berry reminds us, “the impeded stream is the one that sings.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This episode examines:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why resistance can be a gift in the creative process.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi’s theory of flow connects to happiness and fulfillment.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The balance between focus and receptivity in both art and relationships.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How preparation, practice, and openness set the stage for flow.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The “radical middle” where challenge and skill converge&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Connecting the experience of flow to the Holy Spirit&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is a thoughtful, inspiring conversation on navigating resistance, finding flow, and staying open to the creativity that emerges when we least expect it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Connect with the guests:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://newjoyarts.org/'&gt;Angela Houk&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.exploreyourworlds.com/'&gt;Steve Brock&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://substack.com/@coreyfrey'&gt;Corey Frey&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;–––&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Support the Podcast&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt; If you’d like to go deeper in these conversations and be part of the Makers &amp;amp; Mystics creative collective, consider joining us on Patreon. You’ll gain access to monthly online gatherings, bonus content, creative prompts, and a vibrant community of artists pursuing faith and imagination together.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;👉 &lt;a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'&gt;Join the community on Patreon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2453582/open_sms"&gt;Send us a text&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics "&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'&gt;Join the Makers and Mystics Creative Collective&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'&gt;Get Tickets to The Breath and The Clay 2026&lt;/a&gt; featuring Malcolm Guite, Jon Guerra, and Jonathan Pageau! March 20-22 in Winston Salem, NC. &lt;/p&gt;</description>

In this season finale, Stephen Roach closes out our exploration of creative flow with a rich conversation with several artists from the Makers &amp; Mystics Patreon community. Joining the discussion are artist and educator Angela Houk, writer and branding expert Steve Brock, and poet and visual artist Corey Frey. Together, the crew explores the interplay between resistance and flow—how creative blocks, limitations, and even frustrations can actually become the conditions that allow new work t...

S15 E15: Resistance and Flow (Season Finale)

Behind the curtain of cinema lies a hidden language, spoken not in words, but in sound. In this episode of Makers and Mystics, Stephen Roach interviews Foley artist <a href='http://www.foleytales.com'>Ronnie Van Der Veer</a>, exploring the intricate world of sound design in film. Ronnie shares his journey into Foley art, the importance of creating realistic sound effects, and the techniques he employs to enhance the cinematic experience. The conversation explores the creative process behind sound symbolism, and practical advice for aspiring Foley artists. Through case studies of films like &apos;The Occupant&apos; and &apos;The Forgotten Battle,&apos; listeners gain insight into the art of sound and its profound impact on storytelling.About the guest:  Ronnie van der Veer is an award winning <a href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foley_(sound_design)'>foley artist</a> from the Netherlands. From his studio just outside Amsterdam he has worked on movies like The Lobster by Yorgos Lanthimos, Girl by Lukas Dhont, war movie The Forgotten Battle and various Netflix, Disney and Amazon Originals. Ronnie uses his background as a drummer in his work as a foley artist.See more of Ronnie&apos;s work:<a href='http://www.foleytales.com/'>www.foleytales.com</a>Instagram <a href='https://www.instagram.com/foley.tales/'>https://www.instagram.com/foley.tales/</a>Films referenced in this episode:  The Forgotten Battle: <a href='https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10521092/?ref_=nm_knf_t_2'>https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10521092/?ref_=nm_knf_t_2</a>The Occupant: <a href='https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7230422/?ref_=nm_flmg_job_1_cdt_t_6'>https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7230422/?ref_=nm_flmg_job_1_cdt_t_6</a> Connect with Makers and Mystics:Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/makersandmysticsInstagram: http://www.instagram.com/makersandmystics APPLY FOR OUR NOVEMBER 21-23, 2025 WRITER&apos;S RETREAT IN THE BEAUTIFUL MOUNTAINS OF N.C. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScaiDW84Ktc1KH1JLt236fNPaiKW22E_XnzJqIgjHc5zijzfA/viewform?usp=header <a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2453582/open_sms">Send us a text</a><a rel="payment" href="http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics ">Support the show</a><a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'>Join the Makers and Mystics Creative Collective</a> <a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'>Get Tickets to The Breath and The Clay 2026</a> featuring Malcolm Guite, Jon Guerra, and Jonathan Pageau! March 20-22 in Winston Salem, NC.

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Behind the curtain of cinema lies a hidden language, spoken not in words, but in sound.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In this episode of Makers and Mystics, Stephen Roach interviews Foley artist &lt;a href='http://www.foleytales.com'&gt;Ronnie Van Der Veer&lt;/a&gt;, exploring the intricate world of sound design in film. Ronnie shares his journey into Foley art, the importance of creating realistic sound effects, and the techniques he employs to enhance the cinematic experience. The conversation explores the creative process behind sound symbolism, and practical advice for aspiring Foley artists. Through case studies of films like &amp;apos;The Occupant&amp;apos; and &amp;apos;The Forgotten Battle,&amp;apos; listeners gain insight into the art of sound and its profound impact on storytelling.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;About the guest:  &lt;/b&gt;Ronnie van der Veer is an award winning &lt;a href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foley_(sound_design)'&gt;foley artist&lt;/a&gt; from the Netherlands. From his studio just outside Amsterdam he has worked on movies like The Lobster by Yorgos Lanthimos, Girl by Lukas Dhont, war movie The Forgotten Battle and various Netflix, Disney and Amazon Originals. Ronnie uses his background as a drummer in his work as a foley artist.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;See more of Ronnie&amp;apos;s work:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.foleytales.com/'&gt;www.foleytales.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Instagram &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.instagram.com/foley.tales/'&gt;https://www.instagram.com/foley.tales/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Films referenced in this episode:  &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Forgotten Battle: &lt;a href='https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10521092/?ref_=nm_knf_t_2'&gt;https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10521092/?ref_=nm_knf_t_2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Occupant: &lt;a href='https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7230422/?ref_=nm_flmg_job_1_cdt_t_6'&gt;https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7230422/?ref_=nm_flmg_job_1_cdt_t_6&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Connect with Makers and Mystics:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/makersandmystics&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;APPLY FOR OUR NOVEMBER 21-23, 2025 WRITER&amp;apos;S RETREAT IN THE BEAUTIFUL MOUNTAINS OF N.C. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScaiDW84Ktc1KH1JLt236fNPaiKW22E_XnzJqIgjHc5zijzfA/viewform?usp=header&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2453582/open_sms"&gt;Send us a text&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics "&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.patreon.com/makersandmystics'&gt;Join the Makers and Mystics Creative Collective&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.thebreathandtheclay.com'&gt;Get Tickets to The Breath and The Clay 2026&lt;/a&gt; featuring Malcolm Guite, Jon Guerra, and Jonathan Pageau! March 20-22 in Winston Salem, NC. &lt;/p&gt;</description>

Behind the curtain of cinema lies a hidden language, spoken not in words, but in sound.  In this episode of Makers and Mystics, Stephen Roach interviews Foley artist Ronnie Van Der Veer, exploring the intricate world of sound design in film. Ronnie shares his journey into Foley art, the importance of creating realistic sound effects, and the techniques he employs to enhance the cinematic experience. The conversation explores the creative process behind sound symbolism, and practical advice fo...

S15 E14: Sound Symbols: Foley Art in Film with Ronnie Van Der Veer

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