More to the Story Podcast with Janna Maron
More to the Story Podcast with Janna Maron

More to the Story Podcast with Janna Maron

Janna Marlies Maron

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All things writing & publishing creative nonfiction with book coach, editor & lit mag publisher Janna Marlies Maron, on a mission to help as many woman as possible write the books they need to write.

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Memoir, self-trust & standing in your story
DEC 9, 2025
Memoir, self-trust & standing in your story
<p><strong>Today on More to the Story Podcast: Everything Makes Perfect Sense with author Brinn Langdale</strong></p><p>I’m joined today by my client <strong>Brinn Langdale</strong>, whose powerful memoir <em>Everything Makes Perfect Sense</em> chronicles her journey through childhood trauma, self-discovery, and forgiveness. Brinn is a licensed psychotherapist who began her healing path at age 22, ultimately transforming her lived experience into a book that supports survivors and shines a light on shame, resilience, and personal truth.</p><p>We talk about what it means to write a trauma story with intention—not as a “trauma dump,” but as crafted, meaningful literature—and the emotional and spiritual growth required to stand in your truth as a memoirist, even when family members may not be ready for what you share.</p><p>If you are writing personal narrative about difficult lived experience, this conversation will remind you you’re not alone—and that the process itself can be transformative.</p><p>About Brinn</p><p>At 22, Brinn began confronting her own childhood trauma, setting her on a lifelong journey of healing and forgiveness. Today, she runs a thriving private practice as a licensed psychotherapist, speaker and author. Brinn’s core message, that everything you do makes perfect sense and that healing is possible, resonates with a wide range of audiences, including students, professionals, survivors, and anyone seeking personal growth and self-improvement.</p><p><strong>In today’s episode</strong></p><p>* Brinn’s early journaling life and why writing helped her feel seen</p><p>* The moment she realized her trauma—and how naming it shifted everything</p><p>* The year she devoted entirely to forgiveness before turning 30</p><p>* Starting the memoir during the 2020 lockdown and drafting the ending first</p><p>* What her early “word vomit” draft taught her about storytelling</p><p>* Working together through developmental edits and learning to trust her voice</p><p>* The risk of hiding behind endless revisions—and when it’s time to move forward</p><p>* Choosing a hybrid publisher and navigating launch + visibility</p><p>* Family reactions to memoir, and how Brinn held her boundaries and truth with compassion</p><p><strong>Links mentioned in this episode</strong></p><p>* <strong>Brinn’s book </strong>→ <a target="_blank" href="https://bookshop.org/a/11987/9781966343691"><em>Everything Makes Perfect Sense</em></a><a target="_blank" href="https://bookshop.org/a/11987/9781966343691"> on bookshop.org</a> (also available wherever books are sold)</p><p>* <strong>Learn more about Brinn & her work </strong>→ <a target="_blank" href="https://brinnlangdale.com/">brinnlangdale.com</a></p><p>* Submit or subscribe to <strong>Under the Gum Tree</strong> → <a target="_blank" href="https://underthegumtree.com/">underthegumtree.com</a></p><p>* Book a <strong>free 15-minute book diagnosis call</strong> → <a target="_blank" href="http://moretothestory.co/bookdiagnosis">moretothestory.co/bookdiagnosis</a></p><p>* Get my <strong>Book Outline Formula</strong> worksheet → <a target="_blank" href="https://moretothestory.co/bookoutline">moretothestory.co/bookoutline</a></p><p>* Try my family’s coffee → <a target="_blank" href="https://caffesantoro.com/janna">cafesantoro.com/janna</a> for 10% off your first order</p><p>Want help figuring out the next steps for your book project? Schedule a 15-min Book Diagnosis call with me.</p><p><strong>Follow & Connect</strong></p><p>* find show notes at <a target="_blank" href="https://moretothestory.substack.com/">moretothestorypodcast.substack.com</a></p><p>* follow me on Instagram <a target="_blank" href="https://www.instagram.com/jannamarlies">@jannamarlies</a></p><p>* follow Under the Gum Tree on Instagram <a target="_blank" href="https://www.instagram.com/undergumtree">@undergumtree</a></p><p><strong>Question for you</strong></p><p>Have you ever written something that asked you to step into your truth—even when it felt vulnerable or uncomfortable? Share your experience in the comments—I’d love to hear.</p><p>Thanks so much for listening and being here.</p><p><em>(AI Disclaimer: These show notes were generated by AI using the transcript of this episode.)</em></p><p></p> <br/><br/>Get full access to More to the Story with Janna Maron at <a href="https://moretothestory.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4">moretothestory.substack.com/subscribe</a>
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How place and sensory memory shaped A Little Piece of Cuba
NOV 25, 2025
How place and sensory memory shaped A Little Piece of Cuba
<p></p><p><strong>Today on More to the Story Podcast: A Client Interview with Barbara Caver, author of the debut memoir </strong><strong><em>A Little Piece of Cuba</em></strong></p><p>Barbara Caver joins me to talk about her debut memoir <em>A Little Piece of Cuba: A Journey to Become Cubana Americana</em>, which lands December 2 (She Writes Press / distributed by Simon & Schuster). We talk about the long, winding path from screenwriting and documentary work to creative nonfiction, how a five-day trip to Havana reopened childhood memory, and the way family recipes and sensory details can act as time machines for a life lived between places. </p><p>About Barbara</p><p>Barbara Caver is a lifelong student of the arts and is an accomplished film and television production executive. She loves traveling, exercising, hiking, dancing, cooking, and eating, as well as writing about all of these things with great enthusiasm, affection, and humor. A Little Piece of Cuba is her first full-length memoir. Raised in South Carolina, Barbara currently resides in Jackson Heights, New York City.</p><p><strong>In today’s episode:</strong></p><p>* how Barbara’s writing life began (diaries at nine, film school, screenwriting) and how readers kept telling her <em>this</em> material wanted to be a book. </p><p>* the catalytic trip to Havana in 2017 that unlocked deeper memories and the decision to tell her Cuba story as a memoir.</p><p>* the sensory hooks that became anchors in the manuscript—airport smells, tiles, and the way place can call up the past.</p><p>* the role of community, developmental editing, and coaching in moving from fragments to draft—including the 30,000-word early dump Barbara sent me and how we found the through-line.</p><p>* the emotional labor of naming the book’s “why” (what the book is <em>about</em> beyond events) and trusting the feeling-thread over strict chronology.</p><p>* Barbara’s publishing choice: why she submitted to and chose She Writes Press (hybrid publishing) and what that experience has been like.</p><p>* what Barbara’s doing now—publicity, podcast interviews, a six-city book tour, and essays she’s placing in outlets like Lit Hub.</p><p>* how the More to the Story community functioned as “creative Kool-Aid”—honest, protective, and un-coddling support that helped her keep going.</p><p><strong>Links mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><p>* Pre-order <em>A Little Piece of Cuba</em> at <a target="_blank" href="https://bookshop.org/a/11987/9798896360148">bookshop.org</a></p><p>* Barbara’s site and book page → <a target="_blank" href="https://barbaracaverauthor.com/">barbaracaverauthor.com</a></p><p>* Barbara’s Substack: <em>Tiny Escapes with Barb</em> → <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/178387355-barbara-caver">Barbara Caver</a>.</p><p>* Learn more / submit or subscribe to <strong>Under the Gum Tree</strong> → <a target="_blank" href="http://underthegumtree.com/">underthegumtree.com</a>.</p><p>* More about my coaching & editing services → <a target="_blank" href="http://moretothestory.co/">moretothestory.co</a></p><p>* My Book Outline Formula Worksheet & Book Diagnosis calls → <a target="_blank" href="http://moretothestory.co/bookoutline">moretothestory.co/bookoutline</a> and <a target="_blank" href="http://moretothestory.co/bookdiagnosis">moretothestory.co/bookdiagnosis</a>.</p><p>* Get your 10% discount on your first order of whole bean coffee roasted from my parents’ boutique coffee roastery in Northern California at <a target="_blank" href="https://caffesantoro.com/janna">caffesantoro.com/janna</a>.</p><p>Want help figuring out the next steps for your book project? Schedule a 15-min Book Diagnosis call with me.</p><p><strong>Follow & Connect </strong></p><p>* find show notes for this episode at <a target="_blank" href="https://moretothestorypodcast.substack.com">moretothestorypodcast.substack.com</a></p><p>* follow me on Instagram <a target="_blank" href="https://instagram.com/jannamarlies">@jannamarlies</a></p><p>* follow Under the Gum Tree on Instagram <a target="_blank" href="https://instagram.com/undergumtree">@undergumtree</a></p><p><strong>Question for You</strong></p><p>What single sensory detail (a smell, a sound, a taste) immediately takes you back to your family or childhood? Share it in the comments — I’d love to hear what surfaces for you.</p><p>Thanks so much for listening and for being here! </p><p><em>(AI Disclaimer: These show notes were generated by AI using the transcript of this episode.)</em></p><p></p> <br/><br/>Get full access to More to the Story with Janna Maron at <a href="https://moretothestory.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4">moretothestory.substack.com/subscribe</a>
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45 MIN
One Author’s Path to Agent Representation
NOV 11, 2025
One Author’s Path to Agent Representation
<p></p><p>Today on More to the Story Podcast: An interview with author Molly Mogren Katt</p><p>Molly holds a special place in the More to the Story universe—she was my very first coaching client when I launched my business in 2020! Molly finished her manuscript, <em>Mom Geans</em>, with me, and in this conversation she shares the ups and downs of her journey toward publishing.</p><p>Her memoir explores the decision to have kids after growing up in an abusive household. It’s a story about breaking cycles of generational trauma, cultivating empathy, and becoming the parent you always wished you had. We also talk about her path to finding an agent, the challenges of querying, and what it means to keep writing even in the midst of uncertainty.</p><p>About Molly</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/37400108-molly-mogren-katt">Molly Mogren Katt</a> believes in making every day an adventure, and you can read all about it on her Substack, Hey Eleanor. She’s written for Food & Wine, Minneapolis-St. Paul Magazine, and Experience Life. Her forthcoming memoir, Mom Genes, chronicles her decision to have kids after growing up in an abusive household. It's a story about breaking the cycle of generational trauma; cultivating empathy; and learning how to be the parent you always wished you had. In addition to writing, keeping her kids alive and cooking, she and her husband Josh are currently restoring a haunted 1903 Victorian house in Minneapolis.</p><p>In today’s episode:</p><p>* Molly’s long road from idea to finished manuscript</p><p>* Why the scariest part of memoir writing is often how it affects real life and relationships</p><p>* What it’s like to query 60+ agents before getting a “yes”</p><p>* Breaking up with her first agent—and finding another one</p><p>* How to balance caring deeply about your work without being too precious about it</p><p>* Why a regular writing practice (even imperfect) is essential for finding your voice</p><p>* The current realities of publishing: costs, delays, and the state of the market</p><p>* How Molly is keeping her writing muscle strong through her Substack <em>Hey Eleanor</em></p><p>Links mentioned in this episode:</p><p>* Submit or subscribe to <em>Under the Gum Tree</em> → <a target="_blank" href="http://underthegumtree.com">underthegumtree.com</a></p><p>* My free Book Outline Formula Worksheet → <a target="_blank" href="http://moretothestory.co/bookoutline">moretothestory.co/bookoutline</a></p><p>* Book a Nail Your Book Outline Session with me: <a target="_blank" href="http://moretothestory.co/nailyourbookoutline">moretothestory.co/nailyourbookoutline</a></p><p>* Follow Molly’s Substack, <em>Hey Eleanor</em>: <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/37400108-molly-mogren-katt">Molly Mogren Katt</a> </p><p>* Follow Molly on Instagram: <a target="_blank" href="https://instagram.com/mollymogren?utm_source=chatgpt.com">@mollymogren</a></p><p>* More about my coaching & editing services at <a target="_blank" href="https://moretothestory.co?utm_source=chatgpt.com">moretothestory.co</a></p><p>Want help figuring out the next steps for your book project? Schedule a 15-min Book Diagnosis call with me.</p><p>Follow & connect:</p><p>* Show notes & transcripts at <a target="_blank" href="https://moretothestorypodcast.substack.com">moretothestory.substack.com</a></p><p>* Follow me on Instagram <a target="_blank" href="https://instagram.com/jannamarlies">@jannamarlies</a></p><p>* Follow <em>Under the Gum Tree</em> on Instagram <a target="_blank" href="https://instagram.com/undergumtree">@undergumtree</a></p><p>Question for You</p><p>Have you ever felt scared to tell the truth in your writing because of how it might affect people in your life? How do you navigate that fear? Share your thoughts in the comments—let’s get a conversation going!</p><p>Thanks so much for listening and for being here! xo</p><p><em>(AI Disclaimer: These show notes were generated by AI using the transcript of this episode.)</em></p><p></p><p></p> <br/><br/>Get full access to More to the Story with Janna Maron at <a href="https://moretothestory.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4">moretothestory.substack.com/subscribe</a>
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How to Nail Your Book Outline
OCT 28, 2025
How to Nail Your Book Outline
<p>Today on More to the Story Podcast: A debrief + book outline session with anti-hustle coach Tracy Stanger</p><p>I’m back after a summer pause to revamp how I’m integrating Substack with my work—and I’m kicking things off with a special conversation with my friend Tracy Stanger. We met on Instagram, grabbed coffee, and realized we share the same philosophy: do the work in a way that fits <em>you</em>. That turned into a trade—half a day on my business with Tracy, and half a day on Tracy’s book with me—followed by this debrief you’ll hear in the episode.</p><p>Tracy is an anti-hustle business coach whose “Less But Better, Most You” approach helps human, justice-minded (often neuro-spicy) entrepreneurs focus on results—not just checking things off a to-do list—so they can do meaningful work <em>and</em> live their dream days.</p><p>About Tracy</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.tracystanger.com/">Tracy Stanger</a> is an anti-hustle business coach who believes we shouldn’t have to choose between meaningful work and living your dream days. She’s on a mission to prove we CAN have time for our dreams when we focus on RESULTS instead of just checking shit off a to-do list. Her Less But Better™ Most You business strategy helps human (justice-minded, often neurospicy) business owners use their uniqueness to make more money and more impact, with more time for rest, and less stress.</p><p>In today’s episode:</p><p>* how this episode came to be: a mutual “workday” trade and a recorded debrief</p><p>* why Tracy stopped waiting to build a “giant platform” before writing her book—and started writing now</p><p>* how we used a strengths analysis (think an amalgam of personality tools) to shape both her book <em>and</em> my business pivots</p><p>* what changed for me: moving away from webinars → high-ticket yearlong delivery, to offers that fit my health, capacity, and season</p><p>* the edit I delivered to Tracy: audio feedback + a written summary (hello, hand neuropathy workaround)</p><p>* clarifying prescriptive nonfiction: bringing the reader along, adding bridges between ideas, and making sure each chapter delivers the outcome it promises</p><p>* turning Tracy’s client process into a reader journey (a clear sequence the reader can follow)</p><p>* the practical writing plan Tracy is using now: 25-minute sessions with her outline and manuscript open, steady and sustainable</p><p>* why “Less But Better, Most You” isn’t just a business strategy—it’s a book structure, too</p><p>Links mentioned in this episode:</p><p>* my free Book Outline Worksheet → <a target="_blank" href="http://moretothestory.co/bookoutline">moretothestory.co/bookoutline</a></p><p>* book a “Nail Your Book Outline” session with me → <a target="_blank" href="http://moretothestory.co/nailyourbookoutline">moretothestory.co/nailyourbookoutline</a></p><p>* More about Under the Gum Tree → <a target="_blank" href="http://underthegumtree.com">underthegumtree.com</a></p><p>* More about my coaching & editing services → <a target="_blank" href="http://moretothestory.co">moretothestory.co</a></p><p>Want help figuring out the next steps for your book project? Schedule a 15-min Book Diagnosis call with me.</p><p>Follow & connect:</p><p>* Show notes & transcripts at <a target="_blank" href="https://moretothestorypodcast.substack.com">moretothestory.substack.com</a></p><p>* Follow me on Instagram <a target="_blank" href="https://instagram.com/jannamarlies">@jannamarlies</a></p><p>* Follow <em>Under the Gum Tree</em> on Instagram <a target="_blank" href="https://instagram.com/undergumtree">@undergumtree</a></p><p>Question for You</p><p>What “should” about platform or process are you letting go of so you can move your book forward <em>now</em>? If you picked one 25-minute action for this week, what would it be? Share in the comments—I’ll respond (and may feature your question in a future episode!).</p><p>Thanks so much for listening and for being here! xo</p><p><em>(AI Disclaimer: These show notes were generated by AI using the transcript of this episode.)</em></p> <br/><br/>Get full access to More to the Story with Janna Maron at <a href="https://moretothestory.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4">moretothestory.substack.com/subscribe</a>
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Why Outlines Don’t Work For All Books
OCT 14, 2025
Why Outlines Don’t Work For All Books
<p></p><p>Today on More to the Story Podcast: Why I Don’t Do Outlines for Memoirs (Part 2 of the Genre Conversation)</p><p>This is a continuation of the <a target="_blank" href="https://moretothestory.substack.com/p/whats-in-a-name">genre conversation from the last episode</a>, and I dive straight into something I get asked about <em>all the time</em>: book outlines. Specifically, why I <em>do</em> create outlines for prescriptive nonfiction (what I call memoir-ish), and why I <em>don’t</em> use outlines for memoir or personal essay.</p><p>I also introduce a new term I’m using with clients—<strong>memoir-ish</strong>—to distinguish prescriptive books that are driven by teaching, insight, or process but are supported by personal story. This is different from memoir-plus (or hybrid memoir), where the personal story leads and other elements supplement it.</p><p>If you’ve ever wondered whether you “should” outline your memoir, or you’re trying to figure out what kind of book you’re writing in the first place, this episode will help with clarity, language, and direction.</p><p>In today’s episode:</p><p>* what I mean by <em>memoir-ish</em> and how it differs from memoir and hybrid memoir</p><p>* the role of personal story in prescriptive nonfiction</p><p>* a client example of someone who thought she was writing memoir—but wasn’t</p><p>* why prescriptive books need outlines (and how I co-create them with clients)</p><p>* how your process, framework, and client stories become your table of contents</p><p>* why memoir and essay don’t lend themselves to outlines</p><p>* the puzzle metaphor: collecting pieces before trying to assemble structure</p><p>* how outlines can constrict discovery in memoir writing</p><p>* what’s <em>really</em> going on when memoirists spin their wheels for years</p><p>* trusting yourself, trusting the work, and letting the story tell you what it needs</p><p>Links mentioned in this episode:</p><p>* submit or subscribe to Under the Gum Tree → <a target="_blank" href="http://underthegumtree.com/">underthegumtree.com</a></p><p>* get whole bean coffee from Café Santoro → <a target="_blank" href="http://caffesantoro.com/janna">cafesantoro.com/janna</a></p><p>* book a 15-minute Book Diagnosis Call → <a target="_blank" href="https://tidycal.com/jannamarlies/15min-book-diagnosis">moretothestory.co/bookdiagnosis</a></p><p><strong>Follow & Connect</strong></p><p>* subscribe & find show notes for this episode at <a target="_blank" href="https://moretothestorypodcast.substack.com/">moretothestory.substack.com</a></p><p>* follow me on Instagram <a target="_blank" href="https://instagram.com/jannamarlies">@jannamarlies</a></p><p>* follow Under the Gum Tree on Instagram <a target="_blank" href="https://instagram.com/undergumtree">@undergumtree</a></p><p>Question for You</p><p>Are you writing from discovery—or trying to force your memoir into a structure too soon? What do you notice about your own process? Share in the comments—I’d love to hear and may respond in a future episode!</p><p>Thanks so much for listening and for being here! </p><p><em>(AI Disclaimer: These show notes were generated by AI using the transcript of this episode.)</em></p><p></p> <br/><br/>Get full access to More to the Story with Janna Maron at <a href="https://moretothestory.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4">moretothestory.substack.com/subscribe</a>
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