McMansion Hell writer and architecture critic Kate Wagner joins us for an early review of the Obama Presidential Center. We talk about its design, its architecture, its cloying message of “HOPE” that feels like Ludovico conditioning, and what it means as a final, definitive end of the Obama era and the Long 2010s. Check out McMansion Hell: https://mcmansionhell.com/ Follow Kate Wagner on X: https://x.com/mcmansionhell?lang=en And Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/katewagner.wehwalt.net