<description>&lt;div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW137456706 BCX0"&gt; &lt;p class="Paragraph SCXW137456706 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"&gt;&lt;span class="TextRun SCXW137456706 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW137456706 BCX0"&gt;In this special episode of&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;em&gt;&lt;span class="TextRun SCXW137456706 BCX0" lang= "EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW137456706 BCX0"&gt;With Interest&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;span class="TextRun SCXW137456706 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW137456706 BCX0"&gt;, CPA Australia CEO Chris Freeland sits down with Australia's Auditor General, Dr Caralee&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW137456706 BCX0"&gt;McLies&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW137456706 BCX0"&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW137456706 BCX0"&gt;, for an exclusive fireside chat on public sector challenges.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "EOP SCXW137456706 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":0,"335551620":0,"335559738":240,"335559739":240,"335559740":240}"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; 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With Interest

CPA Australia

Fireside chat with Australia's Auditor General

OCT 30, 202514 MIN
With Interest

Fireside chat with Australia's Auditor General

OCT 30, 202514 MIN

Description

In this special episode of With Interest, CPA Australia CEO Chris Freeland sits down with Australia's Auditor General, Dr Caralee McLiesh, for an exclusive fireside chat on public sector challenges.

The conversation builds on Dr McLiesh's keynote address on performance management in the Commonwealth public sector, drawing on insights from the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) annual report, released in September 2025.

The discussion took place following a roundtable lunch in Canberra on 5 August 2025, where CPA Australia convened senior public sector leaders to hear Dr McLiesh's keynote before she joined Chris Freeland to expand on the key themes.

Listen now.

Speakers: Dr Caralee McLiesh, Auditor-General of Australia and Chris Freeland, CEO, CPA Australia.

You can listen to the keynote speech from the roundtable in full by Australia's Auditor-General, Dr Caralee McLiesh.

For more information about the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) head to its website.

And you can learn more about Dr Caralee McLiesh's career from this PMC statement following her announcement as Australia's auditor general in 2024.

Listen to more With Interest episodes and other CPA Australia podcasts on YouTube.

CPA Australia publishes four podcasts, providing commentary and thought leadership across business, finance, and accounting:

With Interest

INTHEBLACK

INTHEBLACK Out Loud

Excel Tips

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Email the podcast team at [email protected]