Try this on for size… It is Episode 89, with first-time guest David Selles! In this episode, we begin by hearing David’s story of finding himself in the very non-New England world of grad school friends (0:30), and by sharing how we know David and his journey to the pod (4:00)! We then share ‘Where are we at?’ (5:30), before diving into our main topic: exploring pain and growth (15:00). We discuss our growing pains in 2025 (16:20) and incidentally hit a few distinct questions along the way. Are we just creating artificial growing pains (18:50)? Do we have an inner need to grow (21:40)? Do we need better processes for discernment to identify where we need to grow (25:00)? What’s the difference between monotonous pain and new stretch zones (28:30)? Is some growth contrived (35:00)? What are we nostalgic for (43:35)? And what growing pains should we consider undertaking before becoming parents (46:00)? Lastly, as always, we close with The Dressing Room (48:50) and some things to try on for size in the new year! We hope you enjoy :)