Therapist Uncensored Podcast
Therapist Uncensored Podcast

Therapist Uncensored Podcast

Sue Marriott LCSW, CGP & Ann Kelley PhD

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Ranked as one of Apple’s Top 10 Social Science podcasts, Therapist Uncensored delivers trusted, science-backed insights on mental health and secure relationships. With over 11 million downloads worldwide, this female-led, independent podcast puts you right in the therapy room, making powerful psychological insights accessible and actionable. Co-hosts Sue Marriott, LCSW CGP and Ann Kelley, PhD break down complex ideas into practical wisdom you can use immediately. They’re joined by top neuroscientists, world-renown relationship experts and outside-the-box perspectives to share cutting-edge research and strategies for building stronger connections with yourself and others. Shownotes at www.therapistuncensored.com Transform how you understand your mind, your relationships, and yourself.

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Improv: Fostering Connection in Challenging Conversations – Replay – (287)
DEC 16, 2025
Improv: Fostering Connection in Challenging Conversations – Replay – (287)
<h2 style="text-align: center;">A replay episode from our powerful interview with Lisa Kays on how improv can deepen conversations around tough topics like race and oppression.</h2> <p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/improv-fostering-connection-in-challenging-conversations-243/">Click Here to View the Original Episode Shownotes</a></p> <hr /> <h1>Improv in Therapy and in Life –</h1> <h2>Explore the power – and sheer fun – of using improvisation in therapy!</h2> <p>Dr. Ann Kelley and Lisa Kays discuss how improv can deepen conversations around tough topics like race and oppression. They examine white supremacy culture and show how improv values like collaboration, slowing down, and embracing complexity can challenge these norms. Improv fosters creativity, playfulness, and self-reflection to help reduce defensiveness and strengthen relationships in everyday life, at work, or in our closest relationships. By creating a supportive, collaborative environment, improv deepens connections and helps people tap into a wider range of emotions.<img decoding="async" class=" wp-image-18488 alignright" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/improv-for-therapy-classes-.jpeg" alt="" width="228" height="152" /></p> <h3>“A culture of improvisation is collaborative – it is nature – you cannot do it by yourself.” – Lisa Kays</h3> <h5><em><strong>Time Stamps for Improv in Therapy &amp; Life</strong></em></h5> <div class="MuiBox-root css-4cps79 e1de0imv0"> <p>03:30 The integration of improv and tough conversations<br /> 10:03 The origins of improv and its connection to social justice<br /> 14:27 Contrasting white supremacy culture and improv culture<br /> 19:20 Questioning cultural norms and valuing relationships<br /> 25:29 The power of the ‘And&#8217; in joining and connecting<br /> 38:27 The power of improv in building secure relationships<br /> 53:25 Embracing creativity and letting go of perfectionism<br /> 58:12 Creating a culture of support and collaboration<br /> 01:05:04 Applying improv in everyday life<br /> 01:09:10 Deepening connections and accessing different emotions</p> </div> <h5><em><strong>About our Guest for Improv Therapy – </strong></em><strong>Lisa Kays LICSW, LCSW, LCSW-C</strong></h5> <p><img decoding="async" class=" wp-image-18483 alignleft" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/lisa-kays-improv-.png" alt="" width="114" height="148" />Lisa Kays, LICSW, LCSW-C, LCSW, is an independently licensed clinical social worker in Washington, D.C, Maryland, Virginia, Oregon and New Jersey. She obtained her MSW from Catholic University in 2011 and has worked in a variety of clinical settings. Since 2013, she has been in private practice, providing individual, couples and group therapy to adults. She has interest in social work ethic and has published on and leads ethics training on the intersection of technology, social media and social work ethics as well as anti-racism and systemic oppression. Her practice also provides opportunities for other presenters to develop CE trainings on under-taught topics linked to social justice, systemic racism, and oppression. In addition to her traditional psychotherapy work, Lisa was a performing improviser from 2007-2019 and was on the faculty of Washington Improv Theatre from 2008-2016. She developed Washington Improv Theater&#8217;s first Improv for Therapist&#8217;s class and has offered Improv for Therapists courses, workshops and trainings to individual clinicians, pastors, life coaches, and psychiatrists, as well as clinical agencies. Since its inception, Lisa has trained more than 500 people in the application of improvisation to foster personal growth and stronger and more cohesive groups. Lisa has been invited to lead trainings in improv-informed therapy at the American Academy of Psychotherapists, the Mid-Atlantic Group Psychotherapy Association, the American Group Psychotherapy Association, and at The Psychotherapy Networker, among others. Her work has been featured in The Washington Post and on NBC4. Recently, Lisa launched a humor, humility-infused podcast, “What if Nothing&#8217;s Wrong With You?” with co-host Paula D. Atkinson on themes related to therapy, mental health, oppression, patriarchy and how it&#8217;s all interconnected.</p> <h5><em><strong>Resources </strong></em><em><strong>for Improv Therapy – </strong></em></h5> <p><a href="https://lisakays.com/">Lisa Kay&#8217;s </a>– Website &amp; Resources</p> <div> <p id="m_-8167331698005302945gmail-book-title"><a href="https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/author/fischlin-daniel-heble-ajay-lipsitz/"><em>The Fierce Urgency of Now: Improvisation, Rights, and the Ethics of Cocreation (Improvisation, Community, and Social Practice)</em> – </a>by Fischlin, Daniel; Heble, Ajah; Lipsitz, George</p> </div> <div><a href="https://spolin.com/?cat=8">Theater Games</a> – Viola Spolin Resources</div> <div></div> <div><a href="https://www.rehearsalsforgrowth.com/">Rehearsals for Growth</a> – Website and Educational Resources</div> <div></div> <div><em><a href="https://www.decolonizingtherapy.com/book">Decolonizing Therapy: Oppression, Historical Trauma, and Politicizing Your Practice</a></em> – book by Jennifer Mullan, PsyD</div> <div></div> <div><em><a href="https://juliacameronlive.com/the-artists-way/">The Artist&#8217;s Way</a></em> by Julia Cameron – Book and Resources</div> <div></div> <div><em><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9386.Free_Play">Free Play: Improvisation in Life and Art</a></em> – Nachmanovitch, Stephen</div> <div> <hr /> <h3><strong><a href="http://therapistuncensored.com/bas">Beyond Attachment Styles course is available NOW!  </a></strong></h3> <p>Learn how your nervous system, your mind, and your relationships work together in a fascinating dance, shaping<img decoding="async" class="wp-image-19737 alignleft" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Course-Logo-Options-Thumbnails-300x300.png" alt="" width="163" height="163" /> who you are and how you connect with others.</p> <p>Online, Self-Paced, Asynchronous Learning with Quarterly Live Q&amp;A&#8217;s – Next one is January 23rd!</p> <p><strong>Earn 6 Continuing Education</strong> Credits – Available at Checkout</p> <p>As a listener of this podcast, <a href="http://therapistuncensored.com/bas"><strong>use code BAS15 for a limited-time discount</strong>.</a></p> <hr /> <p><a href="http://therapistuncensored.com/join"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignleft wp-image-19612 " src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/join-our-premium-platforms-1-2-300x113.png" alt="" width="446" height="168" /></a><a href="http://securerelatingbook.com/"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignright wp-image-17401" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SecureRelating-NextBigIdea-1-236x300.png" sizes="(max-width: 94px) 100vw, 94px" srcset="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SecureRelating-NextBigIdea-1-236x300.png 236w, https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SecureRelating-NextBigIdea-1.png 471w" alt="" width="94" height="119" /></a></p> <h4><a href="http://securerelatingbook.com/">Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!</a></h4> <h4 data-wp-editing="1"><strong>You are invited! </strong></h4> <h4 data-wp-editing="1">Join our exclusive community to get early access and discounts to things we produce, plus an ad-free, private feed. 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71 MIN
Trailblazers in Love: Understanding & Advocating for the LGBTQ+ Community with Jeff Lutes – Replay – (286)
DEC 2, 2025
Trailblazers in Love: Understanding & Advocating for the LGBTQ+ Community with Jeff Lutes – Replay – (286)
<h3 style="text-align: center;">A replay episode from our powerful interview with Jeff Lutes, this discussion dives into raising families, the evolution of the community, allyship, gender, and the importance of advocacy.</h3> <h4 style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/trailblazers-in-love-understanding-advocating-for-the-lgbtq-community-with-jeff-lutes-222/"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Click Here to View the Original Episode Shownotes </span></a></h4> <hr /> <blockquote> <h3> “There are a lot of therapists that see themselves as affirming, but I think you have to get actively involved in<img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class=" wp-image-16730 alignright" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/lgbtq-couple--300x169.webp" alt="" width="183" height="103" /> order to be an ally.” – Jeff Lutes</h3> </blockquote> <h5><em><strong>Time Stamps for Advocating for the LGBTQ+ Community </strong></em></h5> <p class="p1">2:00 – Jeff’s anecdotes about religion and sexuality</p> <p class="p1">11:18 – How advocacy can be a thankless job<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <p class="p1">12:00 – Introduction to the Contemporary Relationships Conference<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <p class="p1">14:34 – The difference between being trained in accepting versus educated<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <p class="p1">16:48 – The importance of knowing the correct terminology<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <p class="p1">20:39 – What we can learn from the polyamorous community<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <p class="p1">22:58 – Definition of queer and who that represents</p> <p class="p1">24:37 – Let’s talk about pronouns<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <p class="p1">31:21 – Explanation of dead naming and why it is wrong</p> <p class="p1">42:15 – Conversion therapy research and findings<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <p class="p1">47:00: Trailblazers in Love, Jeff&#8217;s book<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <h5><em><strong>Resources </strong></em><em><strong>for today&#8217;s episode </strong></em><em><strong>Advocating for the LGBTQ+ Community </strong></em></h5> <p><a href="https://www.jefflutespsychotherapy.com/cv"><em>Jeff Lute&#8217;s Website </em></a>– Information, credentials, presentations and publications</p> <p><em><a href="https://www.contemporaryrelationships.com/">Contemporary Relationships Conference</a></em> – Conference information and proposals</p> <p><a href="https://www.contemporaryrelationships.com/trailblazersinlove"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class=" wp-image-16723 alignleft" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/trailblazers-in-love-book--300x218.webp" alt="" width="189" height="137" /></a></p> <h5><a href="https://www.contemporaryrelationships.com/trailblazersinlove">Get your copy of his book, Trailblazers in Love, here!!</a></h5> <h5></h5> <h5></h5> <h5><em><strong>About our Guest – Jeff Lutes, LPC</strong></em></h5> <p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class=" wp-image-16715 alignleft" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/jeff-lutes--300x290.webp" sizes="(max-width: 153px) 100vw, 153px" srcset="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/jeff-lutes--300x290.webp 300w, https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/jeff-lutes--24x24.webp 24w, https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/jeff-lutes-.webp 356w" alt="" width="153" height="148" />Jeff specializes in creating collaborative conversations with clients that generate new possibilities for change.  Using a postmodern approach, he listens carefully to each client&#8217;s story and strives to understand how they might make meaning of themselves, others, and the world around them. He founded the <span class="wixui-rich-text__text"><a class="wixui-rich-text__text" href="http://www.contemporaryrelationships.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Contemporary Relationships Conference</a></span> and has presented to audiences around the country, including the American Association of Marriage &amp; Family Therapy,  the American Family Therapy Academy, the American Counseling Association, and the Texas Psychological Association. He is also<span class="wixui-rich-text__text"> the author of <a class="wixui-rich-text__text" href="https://www.jefflutespsychotherapy.com/trailblazers-in-love" target="_self" rel="noopener">Trailblazers In Love</a>, as well as chapters in three counseling textbooks. Lutes also </span><span class="wixui-rich-text__text">wrote a children&#8217;s book about adoption, deaf culture, and non-traditional families and has been a contributing writer at Bilerico and Therapy Matters.</span></p> <hr /> <h3><strong><a href="http://therapistuncensored.com/bas">Beyond Attachment Styles course is available NOW!  </a></strong></h3> <p>Learn how your nervous system, your mind, and your relationships work together in a fascinating dance, shaping<img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-19737 alignleft" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Course-Logo-Options-Thumbnails-300x300.png" alt="" width="163" height="163" /> who you are and how you connect with others.</p> <p>Online, Self-Paced, Asynchronous Learning with Quarterly Live Q&amp;A&#8217;s – Next one is January 23rd!</p> <p><strong>Earn 6 Continuing Education</strong> Credits – Available at Checkout</p> <p>As a listener of this podcast, <a href="http://therapistuncensored.com/bas"><strong>use code BAS15 for a limited-time discount</strong>.</a></p> <hr /> <p><a href="http://therapistuncensored.com/join"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignleft wp-image-19612 " src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/join-our-premium-platforms-1-2-300x113.png" alt="" width="446" height="168" /></a><a href="http://securerelatingbook.com/"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignright wp-image-17401" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SecureRelating-NextBigIdea-1-236x300.png" sizes="(max-width: 94px) 100vw, 94px" srcset="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SecureRelating-NextBigIdea-1-236x300.png 236w, https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SecureRelating-NextBigIdea-1.png 471w" alt="" width="94" height="119" /></a></p> <h4><a href="http://securerelatingbook.com/">Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!</a></h4> <h4 data-wp-editing="1"><strong>You are invited! </strong></h4> <h4 data-wp-editing="1">Join our exclusive community to get early access and discounts to things we produce, plus an ad-free, private feed. 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85 MIN
Mind, Body, Heart, Spirit: Embodying Liberation Psychology with Dr. Shena Young – Replay – (285)
NOV 18, 2025
Mind, Body, Heart, Spirit: Embodying Liberation Psychology with Dr. Shena Young – Replay – (285)
<h3 style="text-align: center;">A replay episode from our powerful interview with Dr. Shena Young</h3> <h4 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://therapistuncensored.com/episodes/mind-body-heart-spirit-embodying-liberation-psychology-with-dr-shena-young-230/">Click Here to View the Original Episode Shownotes </a></span></h4> <hr /> <h1>“The more that we unlearn, the more that we decolonize our minds, bodies, hearts and spirits” – Dr. Shena Young</h1> <p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class=" wp-image-17556 alignright" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/liberation-psychology-mind-body-spirit--300x225.webp" alt="" width="201" height="151" />Join co-host Sue Marriott and Dr. Shena Young as they dive into liberation psychology and the conflict between intuition and the traditional European model of psychology. Dr. Shena highlights embodying a holistic approach to help heal traumas and deeply root us in our most authentic selves. Whether through connections with nature or the exploration of ancestral traditions, this discussion is enriched with various opportunities to reconnect and liberate our mind, body, heart, and spirit.</p> <h5><em><strong>About our Guest – Dr. Shena Young (She/Her)</strong></em></h5> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="auto"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class=" wp-image-17547 alignleft" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/dr.-shena-261x300.jpeg" alt="" width="149" height="171" /></div> <div dir="auto">Affectionately known as Dr. Shena (she/her) &amp; spiritually as Iya Osunbunmi Orisasewa, she is a licensed embodiment-focused psychologist–healer, artist, mental health futurist, on-set wellbeing professional, and priestess in the Isese tradition of Ifa. She holds space internationally for individuals, couples, groups, and organizations committed to the ritual of calling themselves back into their bodies as a freedom practice. She owns a private practice, embodied truth healing &amp; psychological services, rooted in Los Angeles, CA where she offers mind–body–heart–spirit care in healing from sexual, racial, intergenerational, and ancestral traumas.</div> </div> <h5><em><strong>Time Stamps for Embodying Liberation Psychology </strong></em></h5> <p class="p1">1:30 – Dr. Shena’s journey with liberation psychology and decolonization</p> <p class="p1">7:25 – Dr. Shena’s early life and intuition</p> <p class="p1">9:48 – Body language is one of our first languages</p> <p class="p1">18:58 – Understanding the pillars of authenticity<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <p class="p1">20:52 – Embracing the mind, body, heart, spirit approach</p> <p class="p1">28:21 – Unlearning scarcity and expecting abundance</p> <p class="p1">33:29 – Thinking of currency as seeds</p> <p class="p1">41:37 – New interests in ancient traditions</p> <p class="p1">44:11 – What the act of grounding may look like<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <p class="p1">51:45 – The decriminalization of psychedelic plant medicines<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <p class="p1">56:30 – There is power in practicing choice</p> <p class="p1">1:05:01 – Impact of The Color Purple</p> <h5><em><strong>Resources </strong></em><em><strong>for today&#8217;s episode – Embodying Liberation Psychology</strong></em></h5> <p><a href="http://embodiedtruthhealing.com/">EmbodiedTruthHealing.com</a> – Dr. Shena&#8217;s website</p> <p><a href="https://www.embodiedtruthhealing.com/healing">Healing Opportunities</a> with Dr. Shena</p> <p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/embodiedtruthhealing/">@EmbodiedTruthHealing</a> – Dr. Shena&#8217;s Instagram</p> <p><a href="https://www.embodiedtruthhealing.com/connect">Invest in healing programs for BIPOC</a></p> <p><a href="https://clenorahudson.com/">Dr. Clenora Hudson-Weems</a> website – Where Dr. Shena first learned about Africana Womanist theory</p> <div id="attachment_17543" class="wp-caption alignnone"> <p><a href="https://www.embodiedtruthhealing.com/body-rites-book"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone wp-image-17543" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/body-rites--300x225.png" alt="" width="236" height="177" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-17543" /></a></p> <p id="caption-attachment-17543" class="wp-caption-text"><a href="https://www.embodiedtruthhealing.com/body-rites-book">Body Rites – Dr. Shena&#8217;s book. Get your copy!!</a></p> <hr /> <h2 data-wp-editing="1"><strong>Please support our sponsors – they keep our podcast <em>free</em> and <em>accessible to all</em>! </strong></h2> <p><span style="font-weight: 400;"><a href="http://growtherapy.com/tu"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignleft wp-image-20267" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/grow-therapy-logo--300x47.png" alt="" width="223" height="35" /></a>Whether it’s your first time in therapy or your fiftieth, Grow makes it easier to find a therapist who fits you, not the other way around. </span><span style="font-weight: 400;">Sessions average about $21 with insurance and some pay as little as $0, depending on their plan. </span><strong>Visit <a href="http://GrowTherapy.com/TU">GrowTherapy.com/TU</a> today to get started.</strong> <span style="font-weight: 400;">Availability and coverage vary by state and insurance plan.</span></p> </div>
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64 MIN
Family Estrangement: The Space Between Love & Self-Protection with Dafna Lender (284)
NOV 4, 2025
Family Estrangement: The Space Between Love & Self-Protection with Dafna Lender (284)
<h1 style="text-align: center;">Behind every family estrangement is a story of love, hurt, and boundaries</h1> <p>Dr. Ann Kelley is joined LIVE from Psychotherapy Networker with Dafna Lender, to explore the complex dynamics of parent-child estrangement. Focusing on the emotional and psychological impacts of cutting off family relationships, together they highlight the cultural influences that contribute to these estrangements, the therapeutic perspectives on navigating such situations, and the importance of empathy and boundaries in managing family dynamics. This conversation is about learning to hold both empathy and boundaries &#8211; understanding why someone might step away, and how to stay grounded and compassionate in the process. It’s an honest look at the<img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class=" wp-image-20247 alignright" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/family-estragnement-2-dafna-300x158.webp" alt="" width="249" height="131" /> heartbreak, the healing, and the hope that can emerge when families face difficult truths.</p> <h5><em><strong>Time Stamps for Navigating Family Estrangement: The Space Between Love &amp; Self-Protection with Dafna Lender (284)</strong></em></h5> <p>03:06 Understanding the impact of estrangement<br /> 05:58 Cultural influences on family cutoffs<br /> 09:14 Therapeutic perspectives on estrangement<br /> 17:54 Boundaries and the spectrum of estrangement<br /> 32:52 Navigating boundaries and self-protection<br /> 46:31 Finding meaning in senselessness<br /> 52:21 Exploring values in relationships</p> <h5><em><strong>About our Guest &#8211; Dafna Lender </strong></em></h5> <p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class=" wp-image-20251 alignleft" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Dafna-smiley-enlarged-Dafna-Lender-273x300.jpg" alt="" width="154" height="169" />Dafna is a family therapy expert and attachment specialist. Dafna is an international trainer and supervisor for practitioners who work with children and families. She is a certified trainer and supervisor/consultant in both Theraplay and Dyadic Developmental Psychotherapy (DDP), as well as an EMDR therapist. Dafna’s expertise is drawn from 28 years of working with families in many settings: at-risk after school programs, therapeutic foster care, in-home crisis stabilization, residential care and private practice. Dafna is author of Integrative Attachment Family Therapy (2023) and the co-author of Theraplay the Practitioner’s Guide (2020). She teaches and supervises clinicians in 15 countries in 4 languages: English, Hebrew, French and Spanish.</p> <h5><em><strong>Resources for Navigating Family Estrangement: The Space Between Love &amp; Self-Protection with Dafna Lender (284)</strong></em></h5> <p><a href="https://www.dafnalender.com/">Dafna&#8217;s website</a> &#8211; Resources, courses &amp; additional information</p> <p><a href="https://www.pesi.com/item/integrative-attachment-family-therapy-121812?utm_term=&amp;utm_campaign=US+%7C+BH+%7C+NB+%7C+N/A+%7C+Dynamic+%7C+Performance+Max+%7C+US+%7C+RET&amp;utm_source=google&amp;utm_medium=cpc&amp;hsa_acc=7268932594&amp;hsa_cam=20947151930&amp;hsa_grp=&amp;hsa_ad=&amp;hsa_src=x&amp;hsa_tgt=&amp;hsa_kw=&amp;hsa_mt=&amp;hsa_net=adwords&amp;hsa_ver=3&amp;gclsrc=aw.ds&amp;gad_source=1&amp;gad_campaignid=20947152890&amp;gbraid=0AAAAABu1_nwBDP1JjhzasgW_DQ-uo-ikW&amp;gclid=Cj0KCQjwsPzHBhDCARIsALlWNG0ZgjEkqUrQys-T9mYSzcGtgP1Bl_3sgt_eNYtBWibovu_itbGPZxcaArhjEALw_wcB"><em>Integrative Attachment Family Therapy: A Clinical Guide to Heal and Strengthen the Parent-Child Relationship through Play, Co-regulation, and Meaning-Making</em></a> &#8211; Get your copy of her paperback</p> <div class="Qr7Oae" role="listitem"> <div class="OxAavc NVbRL" data-item-id="1599771571"> <div class="Ih4Dzb"> <div class="q4tvle JqSWld yqQS1" tabindex="0" role="textbox" aria-label="We will publish show notes that include any books, important references, and links you suggest. 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Autism in Polyvagal Terms with Dr. Sean Inderbitzen (283)
OCT 21, 2025
Autism in Polyvagal Terms with Dr. Sean Inderbitzen (283)
<h1>This episode challenges what you thought you knew about autism, attachment, and empathy</h1> <p>Join Sue Marriott and Dr. Sean Inderbitzen &#8211; an autistic psychotherapist and advocate for neurodiversity &#8211; as he shares his powerful personal and professional journey in understanding autism. Together, they explore the evolution of autism diagnosis, the intersections between attachment and neurodivergence, and how polyvagal theory can both illuminate and complicate the autistic experience. Dr. Inderbitzen offers insights on self-diagnosis, identity formation, and what truly person-centered therapy looks like for autistic individuals. This conversation highlights the central role of trust, safety, and authentic connection in helping neurodivergent clients thrive.</p> <blockquote> <h3>&#8220;&#8230;Autism in Polyvagal Terms&#8230; is about giving people the tools they need, specifically giving therapists the tools they need to help autistic clients with a lens that really familiar with.&#8221; &#8211; Sean Inderbitzen, DSW, LCSW</h3> </blockquote> <h5><em><strong>Time Stamps for Autism in Polyvagal Terms with Dr. Sean Inderbitzen (283)</strong></em></h5> <p>01:43 Understanding Autism: A personal journey<br /> 03:38 Defining Autism: Perspectives and misconceptions<br /> 07:11 The evolution of autism diagnosis<br /> 11:31 The debate on &#8216;disorder&#8217; in autism<br /> 24:59 Neuroaffirming Therapy: What does it mean?<br /> 31:21 Heart rate variability and autism<br /> 37:27 Understanding attachment and autism<br /> 41:24 The complexity of autism and parenting<br /> 44:09 Navigating the ethical quandaries in autism care<br /> 57:28 Upcoming events and future works</p> <h5><em><strong>About our Guest &#8211; Sean M. Inderbitzen, DSW, LCSW</strong></em></h5> <p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class=" wp-image-20228 alignleft" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/IMG_2321-Sean-Inderbitzen-200x300.jpeg" alt="" width="129" height="194" /></p> <p>Sean M. Inderbitzen, DSW, LCSW, an autistic psychotherapist and researcher through Mayo Clinic Health System. He regularly trains healthcare professionals to be more confident when working with people on the spectrum.</p> <h5></h5> <h5></h5> <h5><em><strong>Resources for Autism in Polyvagal Terms with Dr. Sean Inderbitzen (283)</strong></em></h5> <p class="title"><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324053217"><em>Autism in Polyvagal Terms:</em> <em>New Possibilities and Interventions</em></a> &#8211; Get your copy of his book, here!!</p> <p><a href="https://www.pesi.com/speaker/sean-inderbitzen-800923?utm_term=&amp;utm_campaign=US+%7C+BH+%7C+NB+%7C+N/A+%7C+Dynamic+%7C+Performance+Max+%7C+US+%7C+RET&amp;utm_source=google&amp;utm_medium=cpc&amp;hsa_acc=7268932594&amp;hsa_cam=20947151930&amp;hsa_grp=&amp;hsa_ad=&amp;hsa_src=x&amp;hsa_tgt=&amp;hsa_kw=&amp;hsa_mt=&amp;hsa_net=adwords&amp;hsa_ver=3&amp;gclsrc=aw.ds&amp;gad_source=1&amp;gad_campaignid=20940663585&amp;gbraid=0AAAAABu1_nzLxB5zz6oWZ-HpSp2HlC_V7&amp;gclid=Cj0KCQjwjL3HBhCgARIsAPUg7a4K3YovTjW39oWqQFERIy-YoF-lPG5608sYGZOXMxVwf_k02UPpL4QaAodcEALw_wcB">Information, resources, books &amp; more!</a></p> <hr /> <h3><strong><a href="http://therapistuncensored.com/bas"><span style="color: #800080;">Beyond Attachment Styles course is available NOW!  </span></a></strong></h3> <p>Learn how your nervous system, your mind, and your relationships work together in a fascinating dance, shaping<img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-19737 alignleft" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Course-Logo-Options-Thumbnails-300x300.png" alt="" width="163" height="163" /> who you are and how you connect with others.</p> <p>Online, Self-Paced, Asynchronous Learning with Quarterly Live Q&amp;A&#8217;s &#8211; Next one is November 14th!</p> <p><strong>Earn 6 Continuing Education</strong> Credits – Available at Checkout</p> <p>As a listener of this podcast, <strong>use code BAS15 for a limited-time discount</strong>.</p> <hr /> <p><a href="http://therapistuncensored.com/join"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignleft wp-image-19612 " src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/join-our-premium-platforms-1-2-300x113.png" alt="" width="446" height="168" /></a><a href="http://securerelatingbook.com/"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignright wp-image-17401" src="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SecureRelating-NextBigIdea-1-236x300.png" sizes="(max-width: 94px) 100vw, 94px" srcset="https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SecureRelating-NextBigIdea-1-236x300.png 236w, https://therapistuncensored.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/SecureRelating-NextBigIdea-1.png 471w" alt="" width="94" height="119" /></a></p> <h4><span style="color: #008000;"><a style="color: #008000;" href="http://securerelatingbook.com/">Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!</a></span></h4> <h4 data-wp-editing="1"><strong>You are invited! </strong></h4> <h4 data-wp-editing="1">Join our exclusive community to get early access and discounts to things we produce, plus an ad-free, private feed. 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