For nearly a decade, Donald Trump and his political allies have made it clear that one of their primary goals is mass deportation of undocumented people living in the U.S. After the election, this rhetoric is set to become a policy reality, affecting millions of people across all sectors of society.While Trump and right-wing conservatives have proudly embraced an anti-immigration stance, it's important to recognize that Republicans aren't the only party that set the stage for mass deportations. Over the years, Democrats have also shifted rightward on immigration, increasingly echoing the foundational principles of conservative immigration policies. After all, there's a reason President Obama earned the nickname "Deporter-in-Chief": <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/23/opinion/sunday/immigration-reform-biden.html">3 million people </a>were deported during his presidency. As questions arise about what mass deportations will look like under a Trump administration, many wonder how it will differ from the current system. In our latest episode, host Kai Wright speaks with <a href="https://www.npr.org/people/297147616/jasmine-garsd">Jasmine Garsd,</a> NPR's immigration correspondent and the host of <a href="https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510367/the-last-cup">The Last Cup</a>, as well as Ronnie James, director of national community engagement for the<a href="https://undocublack.org/"> UndocuBlack Network,</a> an organization that supports Black migrants who are either currently or formerly undocumented. They explore how both parties have mishandled immigration over the years, the myths and misconceptions that shape immigration policy, the economic impacts of mass deportations, and what these policies could actually look like in practice. James also shares how people can get involved in efforts to push back against these policies. 
Tell us what you think. We're @noteswithkai on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/noteswithkai">Instagram</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/noteswithkai">X (Twitter)</a>. Email us at notes@wnyc.org. Send us a voice message by recording yourself on your phone and emailing us, or <a href="https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/anxiety">record one here</a>.Notes from America airs live on Sundays at 6 p.m. ET. The podcast episodes are lightly edited from our live broadcasts.

<description>&lt;p&gt;For nearly a decade, Donald Trump and his political allies have made it clear that one of their primary goals is mass deportation of undocumented people living in the U.S. After the election, this rhetoric is set to become a policy reality, affecting millions of people across all sectors of society.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;While Trump and right-wing conservatives have proudly embraced an anti-immigration stance, it's important to recognize that Republicans aren't the only party that set the stage for mass deportations. Over the years, Democrats have also shifted rightward on immigration, increasingly echoing the foundational principles of conservative immigration policies. After all, there's a reason President Obama earned the nickname "Deporter-in-Chief": &lt;a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/23/opinion/sunday/immigration-reform-biden.html"&gt;3 million people &lt;/a&gt;were deported during his presidency. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As questions arise about what mass deportations will look like under a Trump administration, many wonder how it will differ from the current system. In our latest episode, host Kai Wright speaks with &lt;a href="https://www.npr.org/people/297147616/jasmine-garsd"&gt;Jasmine Garsd,&lt;/a&gt; NPR's immigration correspondent and the host of &lt;a href="https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510367/the-last-cup"&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Last Cup&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, as well as Ronnie James, director of national community engagement for the&lt;a href="https://undocublack.org/"&gt; UndocuBlack Network,&lt;/a&gt; an organization that supports Black migrants who are either currently or formerly undocumented. They explore how both parties have mishandled immigration over the years, the myths and misconceptions that shape immigration policy, the economic impacts of mass deportations, and what these policies could actually look like in practice. James also shares how people can get involved in efforts to push back against these policies. &lt;/p&gt;
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President-elect Trump has promised to use everything from the law to local police to the military to enforce his immigration policies and make good on his promise of mass deportations.

It’s Trump’s Policy, But Both Parties Set the Stage for Mass Deportations

As a young woman, poet and writer Nikki Giovanni could see that no one was interested in a Black girl writing what was seen as militant and revolutionary poetry. So she formed a company and published it herself. Her second book was launched at the famous New York jazz venue Birdland as she was making a name for herself. When she was 28, she flew to London to sit with James Baldwin and record a conversation for the PBS television series, “Soul.” Baldwin was in his late-40s and an established figure in literature.As event television, it was electric. And clips from that 1971 program continue to be shared. For many young people, that interview is how they first encounter Baldwin, and Giovanni. She's now 81 years old, and has had a garlanded career, including a Grammy nomination, bestselling books and work as a distinguished professor of English at Virginia Tech. Giovanni tells host Razia Iqbal why Baldwin’s prose is a beautiful container for the fiery rage found in his messages.
Tell us what you think. We're @noteswithkai on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/noteswithkai">Instagram</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/noteswithkai">X (Twitter)</a>. Email us at notes@wnyc.org. Send us a voice message by recording yourself on your phone and emailing us, or <a href="https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/anxiety">record one here</a>.Notes from America airs live on Sundays at 6 p.m. ET. The podcast episodes are lightly edited from our live broadcasts.

<description>&lt;p&gt;As a young woman, poet and writer Nikki Giovanni could see that no one was interested in a Black girl writing what was seen as militant and revolutionary poetry. So she formed a company and published it herself. Her second book was launched at the famous New York jazz venue Birdland as she was making a name for herself. When she was 28, she flew to London to sit with James Baldwin and record a conversation for the PBS television series, “Soul.” Baldwin was in his late-40s and an established figure in literature.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As event television, it was electric. And clips from that 1971 program continue to be shared. For many young people, that interview is how they first encounter Baldwin, and Giovanni. She's now 81 years old, and has had a garlanded career, including a Grammy nomination, bestselling books and work as a distinguished professor of English at Virginia Tech. Giovanni tells host Razia Iqbal why Baldwin’s prose is a beautiful container for the fiery rage found in his messages.&lt;/p&gt;
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In 1971, Giovanni was a young poet and writer with a job in television. When she was asked who she’d like to record a conversation with, she suggested James Baldwin.

Nikki Giovanni on James Baldwin's Anger

What do the results of the presidential election tell us about our country? We asked a veteran movement organizer to reflect on what feels like a rejection of her core values.To help him make sense of all the post-election feelings, host Kai Wright gets advice from his mentor in the movement for racial and social justice, Rinku Sen. Sen  is the executive director of the <a href="https://www.narrativeinitiative.org/">Narrative Initiative</a>, which focuses on social movements working to root our multiracial democracy in equity and justice. She shares reflections and lessons from her own journey as an organizer and thinker.Plus, Kai turns to reporter Brandon Tensley, who covers national politics for <a href="https://capitalbnews.org/">Capital B News</a>, to break down what we know and don’t know about the incoming Trump Administration, and how he is preparing for what is to come professionally — and personally.
Tell us what you think. We're @noteswithkai on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/noteswithkai">Instagram</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/noteswithkai">X (Twitter)</a>. Email us at notes@wnyc.org. Send us a voice message by recording yourself on your phone and emailing us, or <a href="https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/anxiety">record one here</a>.Notes from America airs live on Sundays at 6 p.m. ET. The podcast episodes are lightly edited from our live broadcasts.

<description>&lt;p&gt;What do the results of the presidential election tell us about our country? We asked a veteran movement organizer to reflect on what feels like a rejection of her core values.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;To help him make sense of all the post-election feelings, host Kai Wright gets advice from his mentor in the movement for racial and social justice, Rinku Sen. Sen  is the executive director of the &lt;a href="https://www.narrativeinitiative.org/"&gt;Narrative Initiative&lt;/a&gt;, which focuses on social movements working to root our multiracial democracy in equity and justice. She shares reflections and lessons from her own journey as an organizer and thinker.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Plus, Kai turns to reporter Brandon Tensley, who covers national politics for &lt;a href="https://capitalbnews.org/"&gt;Capital B News&lt;/a&gt;, to break down what we know and don’t know about the incoming Trump Administration, and how he is preparing for what is to come professionally — and personally.&lt;/p&gt;
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What do the results of the presidential election tell us about our country? We asked a veteran movement organizer to reflect on what feels like a rejection of her core values.


A Majority of Voters Have Endorsed Cruelty. So Now What?

Award-winning Irish writer <a href="https://colmtoibin.com/">Colm Toibin</a> has long admired James Baldwin, ever since he read “Go Tell It on the Mountain" as a teenager, and has now written a book about him called simply “On James Baldwin.” When he picked “Go Tell It on the Mountain" from a shelf years ago, Toibin hadn’t heard or read anything about the novel, one of Baldwin’s most famous works. And without any pretense, he found himself immersed in the book’s words and characters. Reading it later in life as an accomplished author and professor, Toibin’s respect grew for Baldwin’s skill at depicting the human experience defined by interiority rather than external events. Toibin shares his insights with host Razia Iqbal, and describes how Baldwin managed to satisfy so many different kinds of readers — giving them  a diversity of ideas and perspectives to take away from the pages.Toibin is the author of 11 novels, including “The Master,” “Brooklyn” and “Nora Webster.” He's also written essays, journalism and a book of poetry. His work's been shortlisted for the Booker Prize three times and he has won the Costa Novel Award and the Impact Award. He writes regularly for the New York Review of Books, the London Review of Books, the New York Times and many other publications. He is the Irene and Sidney B. Silverman Professor of the Humanities at Columbia University in New York, where we sat with him in his office, teeming with books, papers, and as you’ll hear, a love for Baldwin. 
Tell us what you think. We're @noteswithkai on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/noteswithkai">Instagram</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/noteswithkai">X (Twitter)</a>. Email us at notes@wnyc.org. Send us a voice message by recording yourself on your phone and emailing us, or <a href="https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/anxiety">record one here</a>.Notes from America airs live on Sundays at 6 p.m. ET. The podcast episodes are lightly edited from our live broadcasts.

<description>&lt;p&gt;Award-winning Irish writer &lt;a href="https://colmtoibin.com/"&gt;Colm Toibin&lt;/a&gt; has long admired James Baldwin, ever since he read&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;“Go Tell It on the Mountain"&lt;i&gt; as a&lt;/i&gt; teenager, and has now written a book about him called simply “On James Baldwin.” When he picked “Go Tell It on the Mountain" from a shelf years ago, Toibin hadn’t heard or read anything about the novel, one of Baldwin’s most famous works. And without any pretense, he found himself immersed in the book’s words and characters. Reading it later in life as an accomplished author and professor, Toibin’s respect grew for Baldwin’s skill at depicting the human experience defined by interiority rather than external events. Toibin shares his insights with host Razia Iqbal, and describes how Baldwin managed to satisfy so many different kinds of readers — giving them  a diversity of ideas and perspectives to take away from the pages.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Toibin is the author of 11 novels, including “The Master,” “Brooklyn” and “Nora Webster.” He's also written essays, journalism and a book of poetry. His work's been shortlisted for the Booker Prize three times and he has won the Costa Novel Award and the Impact Award. He writes regularly for the New York Review of Books, the London Review of Books, the New York Times and many other publications. He is the Irene and Sidney B. Silverman Professor of the Humanities at Columbia University in New York, where we sat with him in his office, teeming with books, papers, and as you’ll hear, a love for Baldwin. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Tell us what you think. We're @noteswithkai on &lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/noteswithkai"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Instagram&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt; and &lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/noteswithkai"&gt;&lt;i&gt;X (Twitter)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt;. Email us at notes@wnyc.org. Send us a voice message by recording yourself on your phone and emailing us, or &lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/anxiety"&gt;&lt;i&gt;record one here&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt;.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Notes from America airs live on Sundays at 6 p.m. ET. The podcast episodes are lightly edited from our live broadcasts.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Early on in life, award-winning Irish writer Colm Toibin saw connections between his religious upbringing in Ireland and James Baldwin’s in Harlem. 

Author Colm Toibin on James Baldwin’s Interiority

Former President Donald Trump has spent the last days of his 2024 campaign casting doubt on the U.S. election system, even taking the stage at a rally in Pennsylvania to say he “<a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/03/donald-trump-white-house-shoot-news/76033407007/">shouldn’t have left</a>” the White House in 2020. The rhetoric and lies coming from the Trump campaign have also included a <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-election-results-2024-noncitizens-voting-big-lie-rcna175552">false narrative that non-U.S. citizens are voting illegally in large numbers</a>, setting a stage to justify mass deportations or, if needed, declaring a stolen victory.To put it bluntly, there will likely be no simple resolution to the outcome of this election. <a href="https://www.anneapplebaum.com/">Anne Applebaum</a>, a staff writer for The Atlantic, Pulitzer Prize-winning author and co-host of the podcast Autocracy in America, joins host Kai Wright to discuss and dissect the ways the Trump campaign has laid the groundwork for <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/trump-authoritarian-rhetoric-hitler-mussolini/680296/">distrust in the election</a> results, no matter what they are.Plus, we hear from NBC News disinformation reporter <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/author/brandy-zadrozny-ncpn858391">Brandy Zadrozny </a>about the spaces where these lies are spreading and how to weed through disinformation on Election Day and beyond.
Tell us what you think. We're @noteswithkai on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/noteswithkai">Instagram</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/noteswithkai">X (Twitter)</a>. Email us at notes@wnyc.org. Send us a voice message by recording yourself on your phone and emailing us, or <a href="https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/anxiety">record one here</a>.Notes from America airs live on Sundays at 6 p.m. ET. The podcast episodes are lightly edited from our live broadcasts.

<description>&lt;p&gt;Former President Donald Trump has spent the last days of his 2024 campaign casting doubt on the U.S. election system, even taking the stage at a rally in Pennsylvania to say he “&lt;a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/03/donald-trump-white-house-shoot-news/76033407007/"&gt;shouldn’t have left&lt;/a&gt;” the White House in 2020. The rhetoric and lies coming from the Trump campaign have also included a &lt;a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-election-results-2024-noncitizens-voting-big-lie-rcna175552"&gt;false narrative that non-U.S. citizens are voting illegally in large numbers&lt;/a&gt;, setting a stage to justify mass deportations or, if needed, declaring a stolen victory.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;To put it bluntly, there will likely be no simple resolution to the outcome of this election. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.anneapplebaum.com/"&gt;Anne Applebaum&lt;/a&gt;, a staff writer for The Atlantic, Pulitzer Prize-winning author and co-host of the podcast Autocracy in America, joins host Kai Wright to discuss and dissect the ways the Trump campaign has laid the groundwork for &lt;a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/trump-authoritarian-rhetoric-hitler-mussolini/680296/"&gt;distrust in the election&lt;/a&gt; results, no matter what they are.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Plus, we hear from NBC News disinformation reporter &lt;a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/author/brandy-zadrozny-ncpn858391"&gt;Brandy Zadrozny &lt;/a&gt;about the spaces where these lies are spreading and how to weed through disinformation on Election Day and beyond.&lt;/p&gt;
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No matter the outcome of the 2024 race, the damage done by disinformation campaigns on the right will have a lasting effect on our democracy.

The Real Reason Why the Lies and Violent Rhetoric Won’t Stop On Election Day

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