The Successful Bookkeeper Podcast

"You learn, you read, you surround yourself with other people. Don't stay isolated behind your computer. You come to things like this. You join groups, you learn what other people are doing, and a lot of it is just understanding the value yourself." -Lisa Campbell Lisa Campbell, author of Beyond Bookkeeping and longtime bookkeeping mentor, joins host Michael Palmer for a special two-episode series recorded live at Accountex Canada 2025 at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre. She shares how a single "midnight moment" pushed her to rebuild her business, break free from burnout, and step confidently into advisory work. In this interview, you'll learn: What finally broke the cycle of burnout & overwork How systemizing business unlocked time, freedom & new opportunities Why shifting from compliance to advisory starts with mindset To learn more about Lisa, click here. Connect with her on LinkedIn. Order a copy of Beyond Bookkeeping. Time Stamp 01:16 – Lisa shares her "midnight moment" & the push to change everything 03:14 – The shift from having a job to building a business 06:16 – How burnout & overwork showed up in her daily life 07:03 – The mindset change that unlocked growth 08:12 – What "beyond bookkeeping" really means 09:17 – The moment she realized her systems were working 10:26 – How long it took to make the shift & why timing is different for everyone 11:46 – Breaking through time constraints & building structure 12:44 – How she stayed connected to her why during tough seasons 15:11 – How Profit First transformed her business & her clients' 16:20 – Why more clients doesn't equal more profit 18:10 – Moving from hourly work to value & subscription pricing 18:53 – The hidden gold bookkeepers give away for free 20:12 – Why learning, community & awareness help you charge your value 21:23 – Lisa's exercise to uncover value adds 24:12 – How she rewired her thinking & found new opportunities 25:16 – Shifting from compliance work to advisory 26:50 – Building an ecosystem for the entire client journey

" You do not want a business that is entirely dependent on you. You want an independent running business." -Ron Bester Ron Bester, VP of Client Experience at Successful Bookkeeper Global, breaks down why so many bookkeepers feel buried in day-to-day work and how the SODA framework helps you reclaim time, reduce stress, and build a business that doesn't rely on you to survive. In this episode, you'll learn… How to spot where your time is leaking & fix it Build simple systems that remove bottlenecks Use automation to cut repetitive tasks & free up hours Connect with Ron on LinkedIn. Time Stamp 00:00 – Why running a business is different from doing work you enjoy 03:00 – The common pitfalls small business owners face 07:00 – Why every business needs a plan, systems & an exit strategy 10:00 – Introduction to the SODA framework 12:00 – Systemize: building processes that create consistency 15:00 – Outsource: letting experts handle non-core work 17:00 – Delegate: breaking the "only I can do it" mindset 20:00 – Automate: using tech to remove repetitive tasks 23:00 – The biggest transformation bookkeepers experience with SODA 26:00 – Early wins & what shifts first 28:00 – Why most owners don't realize they are the bottleneck 30:00 – One small action you can take today 31:00 – How the SODA pre-checklist and intensive work 33:00 – Building a business that runs independently of you

"Like this is not just a gig, but this is my career. You grow into wanting more of that for your clients and you start recognizing if a client isn't about that. The last thing I want is just agree to do a subpar job because a client doesn't really care and then they decide to care in two years and they look back at the history and they're like, 'This has been a mess.'" -Christina Springstead Christina Springstead, owner and founder of Springstead Solutions, returns to share what she's learned from handling complex cleanups and growing her business with intention. From refining systems to managing client expectations, Christina explains how bookkeepers can balance quality, communication, and growth—without burning out. In this interview, you'll learn: How to spot hidden issues in cleanup projects before you quote Why communication & transparency build client trust How to manage pushback & set professional boundaries To learn more about Christina and Springstead Solutions, here. Connect with her on Linkedin. Time Stamp 02:13 – Christina shares her background & path back to bookkeeping 04:34 – Lessons learned from recent cleanup projects 06:00 – The hidden costs of missing bank feed data & auto rules 07:42 – When CPA journal entries hide deeper problems 09:51 – How cleanup checklists evolved into better systems 10:51 – Why deeper diagnostic reviews protect both client & bookkeeper 12:06 – Expecting problems: guilty until proven innocent approach 13:01 – When "accurate" AR & AP numbers aren't accurate at all 14:45 – The danger of ignoring small errors today 15:34 – How to handle client pushback with transparency & purpose 16:22 – Choosing clients who care about accurate books 17:13 – Why clean books protect long-term business value 18:20 – Setting boundaries & recognizing red flags in clients 19:47 – The difference between hobby clients & business-minded ones 20:26 – Holding clients accountable for financial quality 21:02 – Managing stress & staying flexible during heavy work periods 22:45 – Communicating delays honestly with clients 23:57 – Building trust through consistency & openness 25:41 – Why clear communication increases client value perception 27:01 – Real client story: turning nonprofit chaos into clarity 28:55 – How bookkeeping education empowers boards & leaders 31:21 – Hiring a VA and assistant to buy back time & focus 32:53 – Building a business around your lifestyle, not fear 33:41 – Manifesting growth & designing your dream business 35:03 – Recommended books: Who Not How & Buy Back Your Time 37:33 – Why mindset, focus& vision drive real success 40:12 – How the new Summit experience connects the bookkeeping community This episode is brought to you by our amazing friends at Hub Analytics! Imagine having all your financial data in one place, with real-time analytics and customized reports at your fingertips. Hub Analytics is a financial platform that streamlines bookkeeping operations, so you can focus on what really matters—delivering high-quality results for your clients. With Hub's easy-to-use tools, you'll save time, reduce errors, and gain deeper insights into your clients' financials! Ready to take your bookkeeping to the next level? Book a demo to learn more and start your FREE trial TODAY!

"Do not be tempted to undervalue yourself just because it happens to be something that's fast or easy for you to produce." -Casey Brown In the finale of this two-part series, pricing expert and president of Boost Pricing, Casey Brown, returns to share how bookkeepers can move from fear-based pricing to confident, value-driven conversations. She explains how to stop pre-discounting, test your true pricing ceiling, and communicate your worth with clarity and confidence. In this interview, you'll learn: Why pre-discounting hurts your profits How to identify & attract better, higher-value clients How to package & present your services with confidence Connect with Casey on LinkedIn. To buy her book, Fearless Pricing, click here. Watch her TED Talk, or video on 12 things I Hate About Hourly Billing. To learn more about Boost Pricing, click this link. Time Stamp 02:03 – The two types of discounting: negotiated & pre-discounting 03:52 – How to test your true price ceiling 04:54 – Overcoming scarcity mindset & fear of losing clients 06:02 – Why fewer clients at higher prices can be more profitable 08:44 – Letting go of price-sensitive clients who drain your energy 10:43 – Why bad clients cost more than they're worth 11:13 – The gender gap in business pricing & confidence 12:45 – How women undervalue their services & why it costs them 13:52 – Messaging & packaging your services for higher value 15:17 – Half of pricing success is the number; half is how you frame it 16:52 – Stop obsessing over numbers & focus on context 17:47 – The problems with hourly billing models 18:47 – Why fixed-fee & value-based pricing work better 19:26 – When & how to offer pricing packages 20:47 – Avoid overwhelming clients with too many choices 22:28 – Be the expert—guide your client's decision 24:31 – Why clear messaging builds trust & confidence 25:57 – The Picasso lesson: charge for your experience, not your time 26:58 – How to articulate the process & value you deliver 27:21 – Where to find Casey's free resources, book & programs 28:42 – Fearless Pricing community & how to join This episode is brought to you by our friends at Dext! Dext handles transaction capture, keeps your data accurate, and even simplifies e-commerce reconciliation, all in one place. Join thousands of bookkeepers and accountants who've already made the switch. If you're ready to save time, reduce errors, and make bookkeeping more efficient, Dext is for you! Go to thesuccessfulbookkeeper.com/dext to book a demo TODAY and see how it can transform the way you work!

"Bookkeeping is a commodity. My accounting software can be a commodity. So how do we strike that emotional cord and how do we give the confidence that we are the right choice going forward? We're not a commodity. We are differentiating. We're building that difference." -Melanie Spillman Melanie Spillman, Vice President of Sales for Sage US Medium Businesses, shares practical ways bookkeepers can build stronger client relationships—through listening, follow-up, and authenticity. She explores how trust is earned, why active listening matters, and how to keep human connection alive in an increasingly automated industry. In this interview, you'll learn: How to build trust quickly & consistently with clients The art of active listening & letting silence do the work Why understanding your client's past & future builds connection Connect with Melanie on LinkedIn. To learn more about Sage, click here. Time Stamp 01:41 – How to build trust quickly with clients 03:34 – The power of timely follow-up 05:19 – Setting expectations & communicating clearly 06:33 – Teach, tailor & take control in client conversations 07:53 – How to ask better questions & listen actively 09:23 – Staying present & focused during meetings 12:22 – The value of silence in communication 13:54 – Showing authenticity & passion with clients 15:53 – How to build trust in the first meeting 17:22 – Asking about a client's past & future to deepen connection 20:09 – Why focusing only on history limits your impact 21:15 – How to stand out in a competitive market 22:29 – The "front door" story: lessons in emotional connection 25:39 – Why people buy with emotion & justify with logic 27:31 – Turning services from a commodity into a connection 29:34 – Keeping the human touch in an automated world 31:27 – Using AI to free time for more meaningful client work 33:22 – Understanding what really motivates clients 36:48 – Make every client interaction meaningful 38:46 – How Sage uses AI to empower bookkeepers