<p>Irish Times columnist and 'An Irish Diary' writer, Frank McNally talks to Matt about his early career in the civil service and how he got into journalism. In his new book, he turns his attention inwards and reflects on his unusual life.</p><p>Frank's book is called Not Making Hay, The Life And Times Of A 'Diary' Farmer. </p><p>To listen to the full conversation, press the 'play' button on this page.</p>