Exploring genre in Indie video games leads down many paths; some strange and unpredictable, and others odd yet familiar. For roguelikes, titles like Balatro, Raccoin, and Cursed Words, has found the genre's "once again" nature in parlor and tabletop games. Matt & Gen are joined by CGDannyB and Jill Grodt to discuss the agility of indie development, how limiting genre labels can be, but how the loop of a roguelike can bring any of us to a new experience Be sure to check out The Indie Informer, The Indie Council, and Playlog Podcast! We have a Patreon! Gain access to episode shout outs, bonus content, early downloads of regular episodes, an exclusive rss feed and more! Click here! You can find the show on Bluesky, Instagram and YouTube! Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts! Rate us on Pocket Casts! Wanna join the Certain POV Discord? Click here! Episode Art by Case Aiken Episode Music by Gen Moonen