In this third edition of the Local Government Leaders Podcast, Mike Bennett speaks to Dr Barry Quirk CBE, the Chief Executive of the London Borough of Lewisham, about his unique career. Barry talks about changing perceptions of chief executives from Jedi Knights to "zeros". Barry also discusses the impact of austerity, the abolition of the Audit Commission and why local government now needs to focus on three new Es: ethics, empathy and efficiency. Published by Public Intelligence and The MJ, 31 May 2017