Last week’s very special guest was legendary rancher from Chihuahua, Mexico, Alejandro Carrillo. The episode was titled <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/296-alejandro-carrillo'>Re-Greening the Largest Hot Desert in North America with Donkeys, Love &amp; Water</a>. In doing that, Alejandro says donkeys have been a ‘secret weapon’. Sound familiar? That’s what <a href='https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-04/grazier-using-wild-donkeys-to-regenerate-land-in-legal-battle/104445766'>Chris Henggeler at Kachana Station</a> has been arguing is the backbone of the <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/100-wanted-land-doctors'>extraordinary regeneration</a> he’s managed in the Kimberley region of Western Australia – similarly from dust and rock, to rehydrated soils and grasslands; and similarly, still getting better year on year. Indeed, <a href='https://www.instagram.com/p/DLGMlCnRFcg/?img_index=1'>Alejandro visited Kachana</a> on his Australian tour recently, and was blown away. But the WA government still intends to have Kachana’s donkeys shot by August. Tellingly, Alejandro, too, used to kill donkeys as pests, then realised the grave mistake, and lost opportunity, especially with so many landscape, climate and biodiversity challenges right now.This excerpt from last week’s episode felt worth highlighting as a release on its own this week, given the urgency and importance of what&apos;s playing out at Kachana, and given the opportunity this presents further afield. It starts with Alejandro’s Kachana visit, leading to a fascinating exchange featuring some of the latest research and his successes in landscape regeneration, improved livestock outcomes, and wildfire suppression (growing more grass, not less!) - all with donkeys at the heart of things. And it sums with Alejandro’s proposal for the WA government right now.If you care about holistic management, soil health, fire risk, and practical regeneration, hit play, subscribe, share the show, and leave a review so more people can find these ideas. And if you&apos;ve not yet heard the conversation in full, you can head to episode 296 <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/296-alejandro-carrillo'>here</a> (with some photos) or wherever you listen to podcasts.<a href='https://regennarration.buzzsprout.com/'>Chapter markers &amp; transcript</a>.Recorded 9 March 2026.Title slide: pride of place on Alejandro’s Christmas card last year.Music: <a href='https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/working-the-fields/47003'>Working the Fields</a>, by Falconer (from Artlist).<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2091922/fan_mail/new">Send us Fan Mail</a><a rel="payment" href="https://www.regennarration.com/support">Support the show</a>The RegenNarration is independent, ad-free and freely available, thanks to the generous support of listeners like you. Please consider becoming a paid subscriber to help keep the show on the road, and gain access to a great community and some exclusive benefits - on <a href='https://www.patreon.com/RegenNarration'>Patreon</a> or <a href='https://anthonyaus.substack.com/subscribe'>Substack</a> (where you&apos;ll also find my writing).You can also donate directly via <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/support'>the website</a> (avoiding fees) or <a href='https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_donations&amp;business=C2LKHEX4MP4WQ&amp;currency_code=AUD&amp;source=url'>PayPal</a>.I hope to see you at <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events'>an event</a>, and even <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/shop'>The RegenNarration shop</a>. And thanks for sharing!

<description>&lt;p&gt;Last week’s very special guest was legendary rancher from Chihuahua, Mexico, Alejandro Carrillo. The episode was titled &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/296-alejandro-carrillo'&gt;Re-Greening the Largest Hot Desert in North America with Donkeys, Love &amp;amp; Water&lt;/a&gt;. In doing that, Alejandro says donkeys have been a ‘secret weapon’. Sound familiar? That’s what &lt;a href='https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-04/grazier-using-wild-donkeys-to-regenerate-land-in-legal-battle/104445766'&gt;Chris Henggeler at Kachana Station&lt;/a&gt; has been arguing is the backbone of the &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/100-wanted-land-doctors'&gt;extraordinary regeneration&lt;/a&gt; he’s managed in the Kimberley region of Western Australia – similarly from dust and rock, to rehydrated soils and grasslands; and similarly, still getting better year on year. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Indeed, &lt;a href='https://www.instagram.com/p/DLGMlCnRFcg/?img_index=1'&gt;Alejandro visited Kachana&lt;/a&gt; on his Australian tour recently, and was blown away. But the WA government still intends to have Kachana’s donkeys shot by August. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tellingly, Alejandro, too, used to kill donkeys as pests, then realised the grave mistake, and lost opportunity, especially with so many landscape, climate and biodiversity challenges right now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This excerpt from last week’s episode felt worth highlighting as a release on its own this week, given the urgency and importance of what&amp;apos;s playing out at Kachana, and given the opportunity this presents further afield. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It starts with Alejandro’s Kachana visit, leading to a fascinating exchange featuring some of the latest research and his successes in landscape regeneration, improved livestock outcomes, and wildfire suppression (growing more grass, not less!) - all with donkeys at the heart of things. And it sums with Alejandro’s proposal for the WA government right now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you care about holistic management, soil health, fire risk, and practical regeneration, hit play, subscribe, share the show, and leave a review so more people can find these ideas. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And if you&amp;apos;ve not yet heard the conversation in full, you can head to episode 296 &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/296-alejandro-carrillo'&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (with some photos) or wherever you listen to podcasts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://regennarration.buzzsprout.com/'&gt;Chapter markers &amp;amp; transcript&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Recorded 9 March 2026.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Title slide: pride of place on Alejandro’s Christmas card last year.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Music: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;a href='https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/working-the-fields/47003'&gt;Working the Fields&lt;/a&gt;, by Falconer (from Artlist).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2091922/fan_mail/new"&gt;Send us Fan Mail&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="https://www.regennarration.com/support"&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The RegenNarration is independent, ad-free and freely available, thanks to the generous support of listeners like you. Please consider becoming a paid subscriber to help keep the show on the road, and gain access to a great community and some exclusive benefits - on &lt;a href='https://www.patreon.com/RegenNarration'&gt;Patreon&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href='https://anthonyaus.substack.com/subscribe'&gt;Substack&lt;/a&gt; (where you&amp;apos;ll also find my writing).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can also donate directly via &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/support'&gt;the website&lt;/a&gt; (avoiding fees) or &lt;a href='https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_donations&amp;amp;business=C2LKHEX4MP4WQ&amp;amp;currency_code=AUD&amp;amp;source=url'&gt;PayPal&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I hope to see you at &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events'&gt;an event&lt;/a&gt;, and even &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/shop'&gt;The RegenNarration shop&lt;/a&gt;. And thanks for sharing!&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Last week’s very special guest was legendary rancher from Chihuahua, Mexico, Alejandro Carrillo. The episode was titled Re-Greening the Largest Hot Desert in North America with Donkeys, Love &amp; Water. In doing that, Alejandro says donkeys have been a ‘secret weapon’. Sound familiar? That’s what Chris Henggeler at Kachana Station has been arguing is the backbone of the extraordinary regeneration he’s managed in the Kimberley region of Western Australia – similarly from dust and rock, to reh...

Donkeys, ‘A Secret Weapon’: And Alejandro Carrillo’s proposal for the WA government

The <a href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahuan_Desert'>Chihuahuan desert</a> could sound like a place you endure, not a place you regenerate, yet <a href='Alejandro%20Carrillo'>Alejandro Carrillo</a> has seen grasslands, birds and beauty take the place of erosion and rocks on the family’s <a href='https://www.instagram.com/p/DOWwY21kX9I/'>Las Damas Ranch</a>. Conservation organisations now seek this ranch out. And the broader region is now regarded as a regenerative hotspot.Here we unpack how livestock management, a lineage of too-little-known Mexican legends going back to the beginning of holistic management in the Americas, and a repaired water cycle have “rewatered” country that averages about 230ml of rain and has no rivers, streams or springs. Along the way, we compare lessons from Mexico, the western US, and Australia, including what Alejandro noticed on <a href='https://www.instagram.com/p/DLGMlCnRFcg/?img_index=1'>his visit</a> to <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/100-wanted-land-doctors'>Kachana Station</a> and why a helicopter view made management differences impossible to ignore. And speaking of Kachana, Alejandro calls donkeys a &apos;secret weapon&apos;, and has a suggestion for the WA government as another alternative to its <a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ircmbPxfaK0&amp;t=31s'>donkey shoot order</a>.And, of course, we talk about Alejandro’s journey. Far from smooth sailing, we explore the many transformations, stumbles and reasons for his story to never to have happened this way – starting with his father encouraging him to study whatever he wanted, so long as it wasn’t ranching. Alejandro is loaded with fascinating insights, and also elaborates here on why he still feels optimistic. Though there is more he&apos;d like to see happen. I hope you enjoy the listen.<a href='https://regennarration.buzzsprout.com/'>Chapter markers &amp; transcript</a>.Recorded 9 March 2026.Title image: the quintessential shot of Alejandro on horseback (inset: as a 7 year old).See more photos on the episode web page, and for more behind the scenes, become a supporting listener below.Join us at the next <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events/grounded-2026'>Grounded Festival</a> in April (10% discount for paid subscribers).Music:<a href='https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/working-the-fields/47003'>Working the Fields</a>, by Falconer (from Artlist).Regeneration, by <a href='http://www.ameliabarden.com/'>Amelia Barden</a>.<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2091922/fan_mail/new">Send us Fan Mail</a><a rel="payment" href="https://www.regennarration.com/support">Support the show</a>The RegenNarration is independent, ad-free and freely available, thanks to the generous support of listeners like you. Please consider becoming a paid subscriber to help keep the show on the road, and gain access to a great community and some exclusive benefits - on <a href='https://www.patreon.com/RegenNarration'>Patreon</a> or <a href='https://anthonyaus.substack.com/subscribe'>Substack</a> (where you&apos;ll also find my writing).You can also donate directly via <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/support'>the website</a> (avoiding fees) or <a href='https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_donations&amp;business=C2LKHEX4MP4WQ&amp;currency_code=AUD&amp;source=url'>PayPal</a>.I hope to see you at <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events'>an event</a>, and even <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/shop'>The RegenNarration shop</a>. And thanks for sharing!

<description>&lt;p&gt;The &lt;a href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahuan_Desert'&gt;Chihuahuan desert&lt;/a&gt; could sound like a place you endure, not a place you regenerate, yet &lt;a href='Alejandro%20Carrillo'&gt;Alejandro Carrillo&lt;/a&gt; has seen grasslands, birds and beauty take the place of erosion and rocks on the family’s &lt;a href='https://www.instagram.com/p/DOWwY21kX9I/'&gt;Las Damas Ranch&lt;/a&gt;. Conservation organisations now seek this ranch out. And the broader region is now regarded as a regenerative hotspot.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here we unpack how livestock management, a lineage of too-little-known Mexican legends going back to the beginning of holistic management in the Americas, and a repaired water cycle have “rewatered” country that averages about 230ml of rain and has no rivers, streams or springs. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Along the way, we compare lessons from Mexico, the western US, and Australia, including what Alejandro noticed on &lt;a href='https://www.instagram.com/p/DLGMlCnRFcg/?img_index=1'&gt;his visit&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/100-wanted-land-doctors'&gt;Kachana Station&lt;/a&gt; and why a helicopter view made management differences impossible to ignore. And speaking of Kachana, Alejandro calls donkeys a &amp;apos;secret weapon&amp;apos;, and has a suggestion for the WA government as another alternative to its &lt;a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ircmbPxfaK0&amp;amp;t=31s'&gt;donkey shoot order&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And, of course, we talk about Alejandro’s journey. Far from smooth sailing, we explore the many transformations, stumbles and reasons for his story to never to have happened this way – starting with his father encouraging him to study whatever he wanted, so long as it wasn’t ranching. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Alejandro is loaded with fascinating insights, and also elaborates here on why he still feels optimistic. Though there is more he&amp;apos;d like to see happen. I hope you enjoy the listen.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://regennarration.buzzsprout.com/'&gt;Chapter markers &amp;amp; transcript&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Recorded 9 March 2026.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Title image: the quintessential shot of Alejandro on horseback (inset: as a 7 year old).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;See more photos on the episode web page, and for more behind the scenes, become a supporting listener below.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Join us at the next &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events/grounded-2026'&gt;Grounded Festival&lt;/a&gt; in April (10% discount for paid subscribers).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Music:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/working-the-fields/47003'&gt;Working the Fields&lt;/a&gt;, by Falconer (from Artlist).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Regeneration, by &lt;a href='http://www.ameliabarden.com/'&gt;Amelia Barden&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2091922/fan_mail/new"&gt;Send us Fan Mail&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="https://www.regennarration.com/support"&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The RegenNarration is independent, ad-free and freely available, thanks to the generous support of listeners like you. Please consider becoming a paid subscriber to help keep the show on the road, and gain access to a great community and some exclusive benefits - on &lt;a href='https://www.patreon.com/RegenNarration'&gt;Patreon&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href='https://anthonyaus.substack.com/subscribe'&gt;Substack&lt;/a&gt; (where you&amp;apos;ll also find my writing).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can also donate directly via &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/support'&gt;the website&lt;/a&gt; (avoiding fees) or &lt;a href='https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_donations&amp;amp;business=C2LKHEX4MP4WQ&amp;amp;currency_code=AUD&amp;amp;source=url'&gt;PayPal&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I hope to see you at &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events'&gt;an event&lt;/a&gt;, and even &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/shop'&gt;The RegenNarration shop&lt;/a&gt;. And thanks for sharing!&lt;/p&gt;</description>

The Chihuahuan desert could sound like a place you endure, not a place you regenerate, yet Alejandro Carrillo has seen grasslands, birds and beauty take the place of erosion and rocks on the family’s Las Damas Ranch. Conservation organisations now seek this ranch out. And the broader region is now regarded as a regenerative hotspot. Here we unpack how livestock management, a lineage of too-little-known Mexican legends going back to the beginning of holistic management in the Americas, and a r...

Alejandro Carrillo: Re-Greening the Largest Hot Desert in North America with Donkeys, Love & … Water?

A room full of farmers, food system and other folk. Elders through to young voices. Wadandi Boodja underfoot. A simple, radical idea on the table: put life at the centre of every act and decision, and watch how agriculture transforms from a driver of degradation into a catalyst for healing land, health, and community. That’s the energy we carry back to Margaret River as we share a short presentation I gave to introduce the <a href='https://regen2023.com.au/'>Regenerative Agriculture conference</a> in Margaret River WA, back in September 2023. A little dig into the archives this week revealed some hidden gems from that event. I had put out a couple of episodes at the time, featuring <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/188-the-regeneration-rhapsody'>all-star panels</a> that were charged with debriefing on each of the two days of that conference. But equally, I’d stored away these other smaller gems, and having come to mind again at the <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/280-mind-map-wrap'>Regenerative Food Systems conference</a> in Perth last year, it still feels like they’re worth dusting off. So let’s head back to Margs, and start at the start - at once an introduction to a conference and, framed by an old favourite film, an appraisal of what I’d been seeing inspire people like nothing else.<a href='https://regennarration.buzzsprout.com/'>Chapter markers &amp; transcript</a>.Recorded 6 September 2023.Title image by Daniela Tommasi.Join us at the next <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events/grounded-2026'>Grounded Festival</a> in April (10% discount for paid subscribers).Music:<a href='https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/working-the-fields/47003'>Working the Fields</a>, by Falconer (from Artlist).Regeneration, by <a href='http://www.ameliabarden.com/'>Amelia Barden</a>.<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2091922/fan_mail/new">Send us Fan Mail</a><a rel="payment" href="https://www.regennarration.com/support">Support the show</a>The RegenNarration is independent, ad-free and freely available, thanks to the generous support of listeners like you. Please consider becoming a paid subscriber to help keep the show on the road, and gain access to a great community and some exclusive benefits - on <a href='https://www.patreon.com/RegenNarration'>Patreon</a> or <a href='https://anthonyaus.substack.com/subscribe'>Substack</a> (where you&apos;ll also find my writing).You can also donate directly via <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/support'>the website</a> (avoiding fees) or <a href='https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_donations&amp;business=C2LKHEX4MP4WQ&amp;currency_code=AUD&amp;source=url'>PayPal</a>.I hope to see you at <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events'>an event</a>, and even <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/shop'>The RegenNarration shop</a>. And thanks for sharing!

<description>&lt;p&gt;A room full of farmers, food system and other folk. Elders through to young voices. Wadandi Boodja underfoot. A simple, radical idea on the table: put life at the centre of every act and decision, and watch how agriculture transforms from a driver of degradation into a catalyst for healing land, health, and community. That’s the energy we carry back to Margaret River as we share a short presentation I gave to introduce the &lt;a href='https://regen2023.com.au/'&gt;Regenerative Agriculture conference&lt;/a&gt; in Margaret River WA, back in September 2023. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A little dig into the archives this week revealed some hidden gems from that event. I had put out a couple of episodes at the time, featuring &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/188-the-regeneration-rhapsody'&gt;all-star panels&lt;/a&gt; that were charged with debriefing on each of the two days of that conference. But equally, I’d stored away these other smaller gems, and having come to mind again at the &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/280-mind-map-wrap'&gt;Regenerative Food Systems conference&lt;/a&gt; in Perth last year, it still feels like they’re worth dusting off. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So let’s head back to Margs, and start at the start - at once an introduction to a conference and, framed by an old favourite film, an appraisal of what I’d been seeing inspire people like nothing else.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://regennarration.buzzsprout.com/'&gt;Chapter markers &amp;amp; transcript&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Recorded 6 September 2023.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Title image by Daniela Tommasi.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Join us at the next &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events/grounded-2026'&gt;Grounded Festival&lt;/a&gt; in April (10% discount for paid subscribers).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Music:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/working-the-fields/47003'&gt;Working the Fields&lt;/a&gt;, by Falconer (from Artlist).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Regeneration, by &lt;a href='http://www.ameliabarden.com/'&gt;Amelia Barden&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2091922/fan_mail/new"&gt;Send us Fan Mail&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="https://www.regennarration.com/support"&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The RegenNarration is independent, ad-free and freely available, thanks to the generous support of listeners like you. Please consider becoming a paid subscriber to help keep the show on the road, and gain access to a great community and some exclusive benefits - on &lt;a href='https://www.patreon.com/RegenNarration'&gt;Patreon&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href='https://anthonyaus.substack.com/subscribe'&gt;Substack&lt;/a&gt; (where you&amp;apos;ll also find my writing).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can also donate directly via &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/support'&gt;the website&lt;/a&gt; (avoiding fees) or &lt;a href='https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_donations&amp;amp;business=C2LKHEX4MP4WQ&amp;amp;currency_code=AUD&amp;amp;source=url'&gt;PayPal&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I hope to see you at &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events'&gt;an event&lt;/a&gt;, and even &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/shop'&gt;The RegenNarration shop&lt;/a&gt;. And thanks for sharing!&lt;/p&gt;</description>

A room full of farmers, food system and other folk. Elders through to young voices. Wadandi Boodja underfoot. A simple, radical idea on the table: put life at the centre of every act and decision, and watch how agriculture transforms from a driver of degradation into a catalyst for healing land, health, and community. That’s the energy we carry back to Margaret River as we share a short presentation I gave to introduce the Regenerative Agriculture conference in Margaret River WA, back in Sept...

Custodians Beyond Commodities: And the Courage to Imagine More

A life on the edge can sharpen your senses. That’s the unmistakable feeling of hearing Allan Savory recount the untold stories in and around <a href='https://savory.global/unsavory/'>Unsavory</a>, his new memoir spanning childhood, wildlife, war, political exile, and the birth of Holistic Management - the extraordinary global movement regenerating the world’s grasslands, and by extension, everything else. Allan shares why he resisted writing a memoir and what changed, largely thanks to Jody Butterfield, former journalist wife of over 40 years, and co-founder of the <a href='https://savory.global/'>Savory Institute</a> and the Africa Centre for Holistic Management; and Bobby Gill, SI’s Director of Development and Communications, and self-described ‘reformed biomedical engineer turned systems thinker’, prompted by his time as lead scientific reviewer for the US FDA.The conversation weaves personal turning points with systemic insights: exile in the Caymans and a home emptied; the unlikely, letter-born partnership with Jody; field intuition that saved lives; and the hard-won habit of swallowing bitter pills early to hasten a path to wisdom. This story isn’t a promise of a silver bullet, but a way to proceed. We also talk about what it would take for one government to model a statesmanlike pivot that others can follow. There’s levity too - army pranks, &apos;the red dress&apos;, cricket framing life, and death - and we close with a moving reading of Kipling’s If. Now the book is out in the world, I asked Allan, Jody and Bobby, if they would gather with me to talk about it – Allan and Jody from Zimbabwe, and Bobby from Spain.If this conversation moved you, share it with someone who influences land, policy, or capital. Follow for more and leave a review so others can find it.Allan in <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/075-regenerating-civilisation'>one of this pod&apos;s most popular eps</a>.<a href='https://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_fight_desertification_and_reverse_climate_change'>Allan’s TED talk</a> with 9 million views. <a href='https://regennarration.buzzsprout.com/'>Chapter markers &amp; transcript</a>.Recorded 23 February 2026.Music:<a href='https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/call-me-voodoo/130275'>Call Me Voodoo</a>, by Mooveka (from Artlist).Regeneration, by <a href='http://www.ameliabarden.com/'>Amelia Barden</a>.<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2091922/fan_mail/new">Send us Fan Mail</a><a rel="payment" href="https://www.regennarration.com/support">Support the show</a>The RegenNarration is independent, ad-free and freely available, thanks to the generous support of listeners like you. Please consider becoming a paid subscriber to help keep the show on the road, and gain access to a great community and some exclusive benefits - on <a href='https://www.patreon.com/RegenNarration'>Patreon</a> or <a href='https://anthonyaus.substack.com/subscribe'>Substack</a> (where you&apos;ll also find my writing).You can also donate directly via <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/support'>the website</a> (avoiding fees) or <a href='https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_donations&amp;business=C2LKHEX4MP4WQ&amp;currency_code=AUD&amp;source=url'>PayPal</a>.I hope to see you at <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events'>an event</a>, and even <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/shop'>The RegenNarration shop</a>. And thanks for sharing!

<description>&lt;p&gt;A life on the edge can sharpen your senses. That’s the unmistakable feeling of hearing Allan Savory recount the untold stories in and around &lt;a href='https://savory.global/unsavory/'&gt;Unsavory&lt;/a&gt;, his new memoir spanning childhood, wildlife, war, political exile, and the birth of Holistic Management - the extraordinary global movement regenerating the world’s grasslands, and by extension, everything else. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Allan shares why he resisted writing a memoir and what changed, largely thanks to Jody Butterfield, former journalist wife of over 40 years, and co-founder of the &lt;a href='https://savory.global/'&gt;Savory Institute&lt;/a&gt; and the Africa Centre for Holistic Management; and Bobby Gill, SI’s Director of Development and Communications, and self-described ‘reformed biomedical engineer turned systems thinker’, prompted by his time as lead scientific reviewer for the US FDA.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The conversation weaves personal turning points with systemic insights: exile in the Caymans and a home emptied; the unlikely, letter-born partnership with Jody; field intuition that saved lives; and the hard-won habit of swallowing bitter pills early to hasten a path to wisdom. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This story isn’t a promise of a silver bullet, but a way to proceed. We also talk about what it would take for one government to model a statesmanlike pivot that others can follow. There’s levity too - army pranks, &amp;apos;the red dress&amp;apos;, cricket framing life, and death - and we close with a moving reading of Kipling’s If. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now the book is out in the world, I asked Allan, Jody and Bobby, if they would gather with me to talk about it – Allan and Jody from Zimbabwe, and Bobby from Spain.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If this conversation moved you, share it with someone who influences land, policy, or capital. Follow for more and leave a review so others can find it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Allan in &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/075-regenerating-civilisation'&gt;one of this pod&amp;apos;s most popular eps&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_fight_desertification_and_reverse_climate_change'&gt;Allan’s TED talk&lt;/a&gt; with 9 million views. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://regennarration.buzzsprout.com/'&gt;Chapter markers &amp;amp; transcript&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Recorded 23 February 2026.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Music:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/call-me-voodoo/130275'&gt;Call Me Voodoo&lt;/a&gt;, by Mooveka (from Artlist).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Regeneration, by &lt;a href='http://www.ameliabarden.com/'&gt;Amelia Barden&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2091922/fan_mail/new"&gt;Send us Fan Mail&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="https://www.regennarration.com/support"&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The RegenNarration is independent, ad-free and freely available, thanks to the generous support of listeners like you. Please consider becoming a paid subscriber to help keep the show on the road, and gain access to a great community and some exclusive benefits - on &lt;a href='https://www.patreon.com/RegenNarration'&gt;Patreon&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href='https://anthonyaus.substack.com/subscribe'&gt;Substack&lt;/a&gt; (where you&amp;apos;ll also find my writing).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can also donate directly via &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/support'&gt;the website&lt;/a&gt; (avoiding fees) or &lt;a href='https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_donations&amp;amp;business=C2LKHEX4MP4WQ&amp;amp;currency_code=AUD&amp;amp;source=url'&gt;PayPal&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I hope to see you at &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events'&gt;an event&lt;/a&gt;, and even &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/shop'&gt;The RegenNarration shop&lt;/a&gt;. And thanks for sharing!&lt;/p&gt;</description>

A life on the edge can sharpen your senses. That’s the unmistakable feeling of hearing Allan Savory recount the untold stories in and around Unsavory, his new memoir spanning childhood, wildlife, war, political exile, and the birth of Holistic Management - the extraordinary global movement regenerating the world’s grasslands, and by extension, everything else.  Allan shares why he resisted writing a memoir and what changed, largely thanks to Jody Butterfield, former journalist wife of ov...

Unsavory Origins: Allan Savory’s Memoir, Holistic Management & A Life Without Blame

Now for something a bit different, and really special. Today we’re off to seaside Maine, in the far north east of the US, to visit <a href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Carson'>Rachel Carson</a>’s summer cottage. Here was where Rachel wrote much of her last few books. It was a place she loved, and where she also soaked up her last days in Maine with best friend Dorothy. It did feel like something of a pilgrimage, visiting the spirit of the woman who is regarded as pivotal in launching the modern environmental movement, with her landmark 1962 book Silent Spring. A response to her dismay and outrage at the impact of pesticides on human and environmental health, it was written, and then defended, under all sorts of ill-considered industry and bureaucratic attacks, while she herself had become ill with cancer. She actually wrote plenty of other world-shaping stuff before that too. Rachel was a marine biologist whose best-selling sea trilogy preceded Silent Spring. But it was the latter that met the moment like few books have, and shaped generations. Still. So it was that after visiting <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/225-chloe-maxmin'>Chloe Maxmin</a> and <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/226-bill-chloe'>Bill Pluecker</a> ahead of their wonderful successes in the 2024 elections, we headed off along the Sheepscot River a little south, to the place Rachel built ahead of writing her third sea trilogy book, ‘The Edge of the Sea’. This is where we start. And where we finish? Well, let’s just say there was some magic about that day, back in the Fall of ‘24. <a href='https://regennarration.buzzsprout.com/'>Chapter markers (with accompanying images) &amp; transcript</a>.<a href='https://rachelcarsoncouncil.org/'>Rachel Carson Council</a>.<a href='https://rachelcarsoncouncil.org/about-rcc/about-rachel-carson/rachel-carsons-cottage-at-the-edge-of-the-sea/'>Robert Musil’s piece</a> on Rachel’s cottage.Recorded 9 September 2024.Title image: the magazine cover at the Inn.Join us at <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events/grounded-2026'>Grounded Festival</a> in April (10% discount for paid subscribers).Support the <a href='https://australiacf.fcsuite.com/erp/donate/create/fund?funit_id=2108'>Strathbogie Disaster Relief Fund</a>, set up by podcast supporters.See more photos on the episode web page, and for more behind the scenes, become a supporting listener below.Music:<a href='https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/working-the-fields/47003'>Working the Fields</a>, by Falconer (from Artlist).Regeneration, by <a href='http://www.ameliabarden.com/'>Amelia Barden</a>.<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2091922/fan_mail/new">Send us Fan Mail</a><a rel="payment" href="https://www.regennarration.com/support">Support the show</a>The RegenNarration is independent, ad-free and freely available, thanks to the generous support of listeners like you. Please consider becoming a paid subscriber to help keep the show on the road, and gain access to a great community and some exclusive benefits - on <a href='https://www.patreon.com/RegenNarration'>Patreon</a> or <a href='https://anthonyaus.substack.com/subscribe'>Substack</a> (where you&apos;ll also find my writing).You can also donate directly via <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/support'>the website</a> (avoiding fees) or <a href='https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_donations&amp;business=C2LKHEX4MP4WQ&amp;currency_code=AUD&amp;source=url'>PayPal</a>.I hope to see you at <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events'>an event</a>, and even <a href='https://www.regennarration.com/shop'>The RegenNarration shop</a>. And thanks for sharing!

<description>&lt;p&gt;Now for something a bit different, and really special. Today we’re off to seaside Maine, in the far north east of the US, to visit &lt;a href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Carson'&gt;Rachel Carson&lt;/a&gt;’s summer cottage. Here was where Rachel wrote much of her last few books. It was a place she loved, and where she also soaked up her last days in Maine with best friend Dorothy. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It did feel like something of a pilgrimage, visiting the spirit of the woman who is regarded as pivotal in launching the modern environmental movement, with her landmark 1962 book Silent Spring. A response to her dismay and outrage at the impact of pesticides on human and environmental health, it was written, and then defended, under all sorts of ill-considered industry and bureaucratic attacks, while she herself had become ill with cancer. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;She actually wrote plenty of other world-shaping stuff before that too. Rachel was a marine biologist whose best-selling sea trilogy preceded Silent Spring. But it was the latter that met the moment like few books have, and shaped generations. Still. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So it was that after visiting &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/225-chloe-maxmin'&gt;Chloe Maxmin&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/episodes/226-bill-chloe'&gt;Bill Pluecker&lt;/a&gt; ahead of their wonderful successes in the 2024 elections, we headed off along the Sheepscot River a little south, to the place Rachel built ahead of writing her third sea trilogy book, ‘The Edge of the Sea’. This is where we start. And where we finish? Well, let’s just say there was some magic about that day, back in the Fall of ‘24. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://regennarration.buzzsprout.com/'&gt;Chapter markers (with accompanying images) &amp;amp; transcript&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://rachelcarsoncouncil.org/'&gt;Rachel Carson Council&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://rachelcarsoncouncil.org/about-rcc/about-rachel-carson/rachel-carsons-cottage-at-the-edge-of-the-sea/'&gt;Robert Musil’s piece&lt;/a&gt; on Rachel’s cottage.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Recorded 9 September 2024.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Title image: the magazine cover at the Inn.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Join us at &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events/grounded-2026'&gt;Grounded Festival&lt;/a&gt; in April (10% discount for paid subscribers).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Support the &lt;a href='https://australiacf.fcsuite.com/erp/donate/create/fund?funit_id=2108'&gt;Strathbogie Disaster Relief Fund&lt;/a&gt;, set up by podcast supporters.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;See more photos on the episode web page, and for more behind the scenes, become a supporting listener below.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Music:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://artlist.io/royalty-free-music/song/working-the-fields/47003'&gt;Working the Fields&lt;/a&gt;, by Falconer (from Artlist).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Regeneration, by &lt;a href='http://www.ameliabarden.com/'&gt;Amelia Barden&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2091922/fan_mail/new"&gt;Send us Fan Mail&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="https://www.regennarration.com/support"&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The RegenNarration is independent, ad-free and freely available, thanks to the generous support of listeners like you. Please consider becoming a paid subscriber to help keep the show on the road, and gain access to a great community and some exclusive benefits - on &lt;a href='https://www.patreon.com/RegenNarration'&gt;Patreon&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href='https://anthonyaus.substack.com/subscribe'&gt;Substack&lt;/a&gt; (where you&amp;apos;ll also find my writing).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can also donate directly via &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/support'&gt;the website&lt;/a&gt; (avoiding fees) or &lt;a href='https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_donations&amp;amp;business=C2LKHEX4MP4WQ&amp;amp;currency_code=AUD&amp;amp;source=url'&gt;PayPal&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I hope to see you at &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/events'&gt;an event&lt;/a&gt;, and even &lt;a href='https://www.regennarration.com/shop'&gt;The RegenNarration shop&lt;/a&gt;. And thanks for sharing!&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Now for something a bit different, and really special. Today we’re off to seaside Maine, in the far north east of the US, to visit Rachel Carson’s summer cottage. Here was where Rachel wrote much of her last few books. It was a place she loved, and where she also soaked up her last days in Maine with best friend Dorothy.  It did feel like something of a pilgrimage, visiting the spirit of the woman who is regarded as pivotal in launching the modern environmental movement, with her landmar...

Pilgrimage to Rachel Carson’s Edge of the Sea (with some magic about)

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