In this bonus episode, we share a special conversation between Mark and Anita Rao from the show Embodied. Together, they unpack how shame can limit male friendship, why many men funnel emotional needs into romantic relationships, and what it looks like to practice a different kind of closeness—one ritual, text thread, or brave conversation at a time.For more on Embodied: https://www.wunc.org/show/embodiedSubscribe to our newsletter for weekly secrets, stories, and essays: https://markpagan.substack.com/Find us on Instagram to look at pretty pics: https://www.instagram.com/othermenneedhelp/Subscribe to us on YouTube to watch our flicks: https://www.youtube.com/@themarkpaganAnd, for ALL your info go to othermenneedhelp.com.