Mike Froman is president of the Council on Foreign Relations and former U.S. Trade Representative. He joins ChinaTalk for the first time to discuss:
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Why his 1992 dissertation on détente is suddenly relevant again – and why “positive linkage” fails to change adversary behavior,
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How mutual assured destruction has shifted from nuclear weapons to rare earths, supply chains, and technology, and why the U.S. and China are stuck in a costly, uncomfortable stalemate,
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Trump’s unorthodox use of economic leverage and America’s resilience problem,
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CFR’s new cross-fellow initiatives on China, economics, and open-source analysis,
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Plus: an inside look at how think tanks work — salaries, funding, and what to expect from Mike Froman’s tenure leading the CFR.
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<description>Mike Froman is president of the Council on Foreign Relations and former U.S. Trade Representative. He joins ChinaTalk for the first time to discuss:


 
Why his 1992 dissertation on détente is suddenly relevant again – and why “positive linkage” fails to change adversary behavior,



 
How mutual assured destruction has shifted from nuclear weapons to rare earths, supply chains, and technology, and why the U.S. and China are stuck in a costly, uncomfortable stalemate,



 
Trump’s unorthodox use of economic leverage and America’s resilience problem,



 
CFR’s new cross-fellow initiatives on China, economics, and open-source analysis,



 
Plus: an inside look at how think tanks work — salaries, funding, and what to expect from Mike Froman’s tenure leading the CFR.




Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices</description>

 Inside CFR with Mike Froman

Mike Froman is president of the Council on Foreign Relations and former U.S. Trade Representative. He joins ChinaTalk for the first time to discuss:


  
Why his 1992 dissertation on détente is suddenly relevant again – and why “positive linkage” fails to change adversary behavior,



  
How mutual assured destruction has shifted from nuclear weapons to rare earths, supply chains, and technology, and why the U.S. and China are stuck in a costly, uncomfortable stalemate,



  
Trump’s unorthodox use of economic leverage and America’s resilience problem,



  
CFR’s new cross-fellow initiatives on China, economics, and open-source analysis,



  
Plus: an inside look at how think tanks work — salaries, funding, and what to expect from Mike Froman’s tenure leading the CFR.




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Détente 2.0 with Mike Froman of CFR

We've got a full house with Tony, Justin and Eric today. We get into:
<ul>
 <li>The hottest NDAA takes on the airwaves (DFC, OSC, AUKUS, Taiwan, contested logistics, Xi's money)</li>
 <li>Tony has an amazing tv pitch for the deposed dictator White Lotus</li>
 <li>SOCOM creatine and super soldiers</li>
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<description>We've got a full house with Tony, Justin and Eric today. We get into:


 The hottest NDAA takes on the airwaves (DFC, OSC, AUKUS, Taiwan, contested logistics, Xi's money)

 Tony has an amazing tv pitch for the deposed dictator White Lotus

 SOCOM creatine and super soldiers


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We've got a full house with Tony, Justin and Eric today. We get into:


  The hottest NDAA takes on the airwaves (DFC, OSC, AUKUS, Taiwan, contested logistics, Xi's money)

  Tony has an amazing tv pitch for the deposed dictator White Lotus

  SOCOM creatine and super soldiers


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Second Breakfast: Habemus NDAA!

Nathan and Jasmine debrief from NeurIPS San Diego, where we of course threw the best party. 
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<description>Nathan and Jasmine debrief from NeurIPS San Diego, where we of course threw the best party. 

outtro music: we're on a boat https://suno.com/s/dkulmuRvScACxObX
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Nathan and Jasmine debrief from NeurIPS San Diego, where we of course threw the best party. 

outtro music: we're on a boat https://suno.com/s/dkulmuRvScACxObX
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Overfit: NeurIPS Vibes, Research Doesn't Matter, OpenAI Cooked?

It's never over with Trump...Dmitri Alperovich of the Silverado Policy Accelerator comes on to discuss Trump's decision to allow the export of H200s to china.
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<description>It's never over with Trump...Dmitri Alperovich of the Silverado Policy Accelerator comes on to discuss Trump's decision to allow the export of H200s to china.

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It's never over with Trump...Dmitri Alperovich of the Silverado Policy Accelerator comes on to discuss Trump's decision to allow the export of H200s to china.

outtro music, a fan song to Jameison Greer: https://suno.com/s/yTi5R7xDRcM7p2ho
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Emergency Pod: H200s to China with Dmitri Alperovich

First half on the national security strategy you can read here https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf
26:18 we get into the second strike
Tony's Taiwan baseball podcast rec: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6s26btM3CFq7FgUUmdECST?si=gMIOtaZxSPKYzk5qCNMePQ
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<description>First half on the national security strategy you can read here https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf

26:18 we get into the second strike

Tony's Taiwan baseball podcast rec: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6s26btM3CFq7FgUUmdECST?si=gMIOtaZxSPKYzk5qCNMePQ

Kimi said I should set the song to veggietales, so I did. https://suno.com/s/P4XaZR6f1mphSrkP
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First half on the national security strategy you can read here https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf

26:18 we get into the second strike

Tony's Taiwan baseball podcast rec: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6s26btM3CFq7FgUUmdECST?si=gMIOtaZxSPKYzk5qCNMePQ

Kimi said I should set the song to veggietales, so I did. https://suno.com/s/P4XaZR6f1mphSrkP
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Second Breakfast: Trump's National Security Strategy + Hegseth's Second Strike

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