I talk with author Jim Ruland about his novel Make It Stop, his obsession with ancient cities, recovery, healthcare vigilantes and how important writing is to him. Although we barely talk about his books on punk rock, his approach to life and his philosophies talked about here epitomize the punk rock spirit. Jim has written a number of books including My Damage - Keith Morris, Do What You Want - The Story of Bad Relgion, Corporate Rock Still Sucks - The Rise and Fall of SST Records, he writes for Razorcake zine, and has a Substack called Message From the Underworld.