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This week, co-hosts Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out with Shawnee Kish (@<a href="https://www.instagram.com/shawneekish">shawneekish</a>), a four-time JUNO-nominated 2 spirit Indigenous alternative country artist from Canada. Shawnee released her debut album, <a href="https://linktr.ee/shawneekish">Chapter 1</a>, this past summer and was recently nominated for female artist of the year at the 15th Annual Country Music Awards in Alberta. 
We spoke with Shawnee about her journey toward self-acceptance and embracing her Indigenous roots, the barriers for queer artists in country music, and the experience of cultivating chosen family while navigating her own family’s homophobia. Growing up in Canada, she did not have strong connections to her Indigenous ancestry and hid from her own sexuality. When she began to learn from her elders and understand more about Indigenous beliefs, she was able to reconcile what her spirit always knew was true and fully step into her 2 spirit identity. 
Nowadays, Shawnee is loudly out and proud, refusing to shy away from her true self even when confronted by her family’s religious beliefs and intolerant music industry professionals. Ellie bonded with Shawnee over processing emotional, deeply personal experiences through music and Leigh bonded over their shared experience of motherhood. We also talked with Shawnee about how she met her wife (a story that is slightly different depending on whether you ask her or her wife about it) and what it means for her to be 2 spirit. 
Don’t forget to show your support for our tiny independent team by shopping small at <a href="http://bit.ly/lezmerch">bit.ly/lezmerch</a> &amp; picking up Lez-ssentials songs on <a href="https://lezhangoutpod.bandcamp.com/">Bandcamp</a>.
Give us your own answers to our Q &amp; Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @<a href="mailto:lezhangoutpod@gmail.com">lezhangoutpod@gmail.com</a>. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

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Welcome back to Lez Hang Out, the podcast that is currently listening to Tequila Knows Me on a loop.

This week, co-hosts Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out with Shawnee Kish (@shawneekish), a four-time JUNO-nominated 2 spirit Indigenous alternative country artist from Canada. Shawnee released her debut album, Chapter 1, this past summer and was recently nominated for female artist of the year at the 15th Annual Country Music Awards in Alberta. 

We spoke with Shawnee about her journey toward self-acceptance and embracing her Indigenous roots, the barriers for queer artists in country music, and the experience of cultivating chosen family while navigating her own family’s homophobia. Growing up in Canada, she did not have strong connections to her Indigenous ancestry and hid from her own sexuality. When she began to learn from her elders and understand more about Indigenous beliefs, she was able to reconcile what her spirit always knew was true and fully step into her 2 spirit identity. 

Nowadays, Shawnee is loudly out and proud, refusing to shy away from her true self even when confronted by her family’s religious beliefs and intolerant music industry professionals. Ellie bonded with Shawnee over processing emotional, deeply personal experiences through music and Leigh bonded over their shared experience of motherhood. We also talked with Shawnee about how she met her wife (a story that is slightly different depending on whether you ask her or her wife about it) and what it means for her to be 2 spirit. 

Don’t forget to show your support for our tiny independent team by shopping small at bit.ly/lezmerch &amp; picking up Lez-ssentials songs on Bandcamp.

Give us your own answers to our Q &amp; Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @lezhangoutpod@gmail.com. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster).
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This week, co-hosts Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out with Shawnee Kish (@⁠shawneekish⁠), a four-time JUNO-nominated 2 spirit Indigenous alternative country artist from Canada. 

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Welcome back to Lez Hang Out, the podcast that is currently listening to Tequila Knows Me on a loop.

This week, co-hosts Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out with Shawnee Kish (@shawneekish), a four-time JUNO-nominated 2 spirit Indigenous alternative country artist from Canada. Shawnee released her debut album, Chapter 1, this past summer and was recently nominated for female artist of the year at the 15th Annual Country Music Awards in Alberta. 

We spoke with Shawnee about her journey toward self-acceptance and embracing her Indigenous roots, the barriers for queer artists in country music, and the experience of cultivating chosen family while navigating her own family’s homophobia. Growing up in Canada, she did not have strong connections to her Indigenous ancestry and hid from her own sexuality. When she began to learn from her elders and understand more about Indigenous beliefs, she was able to reconcile what her spirit always knew was true and fully step into her 2 spirit identity. 

Nowadays, Shawnee is loudly out and proud, refusing to shy away from her true self even when confronted by her family’s religious beliefs and intolerant music industry professionals. Ellie bonded with Shawnee over processing emotional, deeply personal experiences through music and Leigh bonded over their shared experience of motherhood. We also talked with Shawnee about how she met her wife (a story that is slightly different depending on whether you ask her or her wife about it) and what it means for her to be 2 spirit. 

Don’t forget to show your support for our tiny independent team by shopping small at bit.ly/lezmerch & picking up Lez-ssentials songs on Bandcamp.

Give us your own answers to our Q & Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @lezhangoutpod@gmail.com. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster).
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913: Gimme a Kish with Shawnee Kish

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Welcome back to Lez Hang Out, the podcast that needs everyone to drop what they’re doing and watch Heated Rivalry right now.
This week, co-hosts Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out and talk about the worldwide phenomenon that is Heated Rivalry. Whether or not you’ve actually watched a single episode of the show or read the book the series is based on, you’ve definitely heard of these gay hockey boys. Queer shows so rarely make it into the mainstream, and Heated Rivalry has managed to do so in a big way. So big in fact that the lead actors, Hudson Williams (Shane) and Connor Storrie (Ilya) were chosen as official torchbearers for the 2026 Winter Olympics opening ceremony! Even NYC mayor Zohran Mamdani has openly promoted the book series, encouraging New Yorkers to stay home and read the romance during the recent major snowstorm. While we wish lesbians could have our own Heated Rivalry moment, we have to admit that we’re really loving the show and what it is doing for queer representation, especially in the realm of men’s professional sports. 
We can’t talk about Heated Rivalry without talking about the shadow of homophobia that persists for male athletes, causing most to wait until their professional careers have ended to come out of the closet, if they come out at all. The NHL is actually the only men’s pro-league that still has never had a player (current or retired) come out as gay. So, this story centering on gay male hockey players is a really important push for representation in a sport that remains heavily steeped in a culture of homophobia and toxic masculinity. 
While one viral series isn’t going to immediately change that culture, it is impossible to overstate the impact that its massive popularity is having on the sports world. Conservative sports podcaster bros are having to watch the show to discuss it with their listeners, because it has become too huge for even them to ignore. Closeted athletes are being inspired to come out publically following the success of the series, including hockey player Jesse Kortuem who was personally thanked for his bravery by none other than Hudson Williams (Shane) himself. We’re amazed seeing all the positive impacts that a series with only 6 episodes has already made in the queer community and beyond and truly cannot wait to see where Season 2 takes us. 
Don’t forget to show your support for our tiny independent team by shopping small at <a href="http://bit.ly/lezmerch">bit.ly/lezmerch</a> &amp; picking up Lez-ssentials songs on <a href="https://lezhangoutpod.bandcamp.com/">Bandcamp</a>.
Give us your own answers to our Q &amp; Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @<a href="mailto:lezhangoutpod@gmail.com">lezhangoutpod@gmail.com</a>. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

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Welcome back to Lez Hang Out, the podcast that needs everyone to drop what they’re doing and watch Heated Rivalry right now.

This week, co-hosts Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out and talk about the worldwide phenomenon that is Heated Rivalry. Whether or not you’ve actually watched a single episode of the show or read the book the series is based on, you’ve definitely heard of these gay hockey boys. Queer shows so rarely make it into the mainstream, and Heated Rivalry has managed to do so in a big way. So big in fact that the lead actors, Hudson Williams (Shane) and Connor Storrie (Ilya) were chosen as official torchbearers for the 2026 Winter Olympics opening ceremony! Even NYC mayor Zohran Mamdani has openly promoted the book series, encouraging New Yorkers to stay home and read the romance during the recent major snowstorm. While we wish lesbians could have our own Heated Rivalry moment, we have to admit that we’re really loving the show and what it is doing for queer representation, especially in the realm of men’s professional sports. 

We can’t talk about Heated Rivalry without talking about the shadow of homophobia that persists for male athletes, causing most to wait until their professional careers have ended to come out of the closet, if they come out at all. The NHL is actually the only men’s pro-league that still has never had a player (current or retired) come out as gay. So, this story centering on gay male hockey players is a really important push for representation in a sport that remains heavily steeped in a culture of homophobia and toxic masculinity. 

While one viral series isn’t going to immediately change that culture, it is impossible to overstate the impact that its massive popularity is having on the sports world. Conservative sports podcaster bros are having to watch the show to discuss it with their listeners, because it has become too huge for even them to ignore. Closeted athletes are being inspired to come out publically following the success of the series, including hockey player Jesse Kortuem who was personally thanked for his bravery by none other than Hudson Williams (Shane) himself. We’re amazed seeing all the positive impacts that a series with only 6 episodes has already made in the queer community and beyond and truly cannot wait to see where Season 2 takes us. 

Don’t forget to show your support for our tiny independent team by shopping small at bit.ly/lezmerch &amp; picking up Lez-ssentials songs on Bandcamp.

Give us your own answers to our Q &amp; Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @lezhangoutpod@gmail.com. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster).
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This week, co-hosts Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out and talk about the worldwide phenomenon that is Heated Rivalry. 

Join our Patreon to unlock 25+ full-length bonus episodes, ad-free weekly episodes, mp3 downloads of our original songs, exclusive Discord access, and more!

Welcome back to Lez Hang Out, the podcast that needs everyone to drop what they’re doing and watch Heated Rivalry right now.

This week, co-hosts Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out and talk about the worldwide phenomenon that is Heated Rivalry. Whether or not you’ve actually watched a single episode of the show or read the book the series is based on, you’ve definitely heard of these gay hockey boys. Queer shows so rarely make it into the mainstream, and Heated Rivalry has managed to do so in a big way. So big in fact that the lead actors, Hudson Williams (Shane) and Connor Storrie (Ilya) were chosen as official torchbearers for the 2026 Winter Olympics opening ceremony! Even NYC mayor Zohran Mamdani has openly promoted the book series, encouraging New Yorkers to stay home and read the romance during the recent major snowstorm. While we wish lesbians could have our own Heated Rivalry moment, we have to admit that we’re really loving the show and what it is doing for queer representation, especially in the realm of men’s professional sports. 

We can’t talk about Heated Rivalry without talking about the shadow of homophobia that persists for male athletes, causing most to wait until their professional careers have ended to come out of the closet, if they come out at all. The NHL is actually the only men’s pro-league that still has never had a player (current or retired) come out as gay. So, this story centering on gay male hockey players is a really important push for representation in a sport that remains heavily steeped in a culture of homophobia and toxic masculinity. 

While one viral series isn’t going to immediately change that culture, it is impossible to overstate the impact that its massive popularity is having on the sports world. Conservative sports podcaster bros are having to watch the show to discuss it with their listeners, because it has become too huge for even them to ignore. Closeted athletes are being inspired to come out publically following the success of the series, including hockey player Jesse Kortuem who was personally thanked for his bravery by none other than Hudson Williams (Shane) himself. We’re amazed seeing all the positive impacts that a series with only 6 episodes has already made in the queer community and beyond and truly cannot wait to see where Season 2 takes us. 

Don’t forget to show your support for our tiny independent team by shopping small at bit.ly/lezmerch & picking up Lez-ssentials songs on Bandcamp.

Give us your own answers to our Q & Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @lezhangoutpod@gmail.com. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster).
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912: Heated Rivalry

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Welcome back to Lez Hang Out, the podcast that is once again making an entire episode based on a single song. You’re welcome.
This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out and talk about why the hit Katseye song, Gabriela, Should’ve Been Gay. Personally, we have not stopped singing this song on a loop since it came out (of a closet made of air). Gabriela is basically an even queerer, more Gen-Z version of Dolly Parton’s Jolene. With two out of six members of the group being openly queer, it was only a matter of time before they released the gayest song we’ve ever heard. We’re honestly not sure what they could’ve been going for with Gabriela if not a bisexual anthem. 
We can’t talk about Gabriela without addressing the sapphic fever dream that is the music video. Katseye may spend the chorus singing “back off of my fella, Gabriela”, but there is not one fella to be seen anywhere on the screen. In fact, they go to extremes to use absolutely anything but a fella, casting a mannequin and a self-driving taxi as placeholders for men. The decision to cast Jessica Alba and zero men feels deliberately gay, especially when paired with the least subtle lesbian imagery we’ve ever seen. These girls are literally spitting up flower petals and stroking cats while singing about how much they want to climb Gabriela like a tree. 
The lyrics for Gabriela are equally as gay as the music video, even leaving in the “fella” rhyme. As we did with our Jolene episode, we pick the lyrics apart line by line looking for the gay subtext. In this case, we’re not sure it counts as subtext. It’s just the text at this point. The line, “Skin amaretto / I bet you taste just like the summer / Under the covers” transitioning into a fantasy about a threesome with Gabriela pretty much speaks for itself. This girl is so down bad for Gabriela that she literally passes away with her “heart in the casket” when she sees her. There is perhaps no experience more relatable to lesbians than seeing a woman that is so hot that you just die on the spot. 
We know one thing for sure, Gabriela Should’ve Been Gay.
Give us your own answers to our Q &amp; Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @<a href="mailto:lezhangoutpod@gmail.com">lezhangoutpod@gmail.com</a>. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

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Welcome back to Lez Hang Out, the podcast that is once again making an entire episode based on a single song. You’re welcome.

This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out and talk about why the hit Katseye song, Gabriela, Should’ve Been Gay. Personally, we have not stopped singing this song on a loop since it came out (of a closet made of air). Gabriela is basically an even queerer, more Gen-Z version of Dolly Parton’s Jolene. With two out of six members of the group being openly queer, it was only a matter of time before they released the gayest song we’ve ever heard. We’re honestly not sure what they could’ve been going for with Gabriela if not a bisexual anthem. 

We can’t talk about Gabriela without addressing the sapphic fever dream that is the music video. Katseye may spend the chorus singing “back off of my fella, Gabriela”, but there is not one fella to be seen anywhere on the screen. In fact, they go to extremes to use absolutely anything but a fella, casting a mannequin and a self-driving taxi as placeholders for men. The decision to cast Jessica Alba and zero men feels deliberately gay, especially when paired with the least subtle lesbian imagery we’ve ever seen. These girls are literally spitting up flower petals and stroking cats while singing about how much they want to climb Gabriela like a tree. 

The lyrics for Gabriela are equally as gay as the music video, even leaving in the “fella” rhyme. As we did with our Jolene episode, we pick the lyrics apart line by line looking for the gay subtext. In this case, we’re not sure it counts as subtext. It’s just the text at this point. The line, “Skin amaretto / I bet you taste just like the summer / Under the covers” transitioning into a fantasy about a threesome with Gabriela pretty much speaks for itself. This girl is so down bad for Gabriela that she literally passes away with her “heart in the casket” when she sees her. There is perhaps no experience more relatable to lesbians than seeing a woman that is so hot that you just die on the spot. 

We know one thing for sure, Gabriela Should’ve Been Gay.

Give us your own answers to our Q &amp; Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @lezhangoutpod@gmail.com. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster).
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This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out and talk about why the hit Katseye song, Gabriela, Should’ve Been Gay. 

Join our Patreon to unlock 25+ full-length bonus episodes, ad-free weekly episodes, mp3 downloads of our original songs, exclusive Discord access, and more!

You can also support the show by shopping small at bit.ly/lezmerch & picking up Lez-ssentials songs on Bandcamp.

Welcome back to Lez Hang Out, the podcast that is once again making an entire episode based on a single song. You’re welcome.

This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out and talk about why the hit Katseye song, Gabriela, Should’ve Been Gay. Personally, we have not stopped singing this song on a loop since it came out (of a closet made of air). Gabriela is basically an even queerer, more Gen-Z version of Dolly Parton’s Jolene. With two out of six members of the group being openly queer, it was only a matter of time before they released the gayest song we’ve ever heard. We’re honestly not sure what they could’ve been going for with Gabriela if not a bisexual anthem. 

We can’t talk about Gabriela without addressing the sapphic fever dream that is the music video. Katseye may spend the chorus singing “back off of my fella, Gabriela”, but there is not one fella to be seen anywhere on the screen. In fact, they go to extremes to use absolutely anything but a fella, casting a mannequin and a self-driving taxi as placeholders for men. The decision to cast Jessica Alba and zero men feels deliberately gay, especially when paired with the least subtle lesbian imagery we’ve ever seen. These girls are literally spitting up flower petals and stroking cats while singing about how much they want to climb Gabriela like a tree. 

The lyrics for Gabriela are equally as gay as the music video, even leaving in the “fella” rhyme. As we did with our Jolene episode, we pick the lyrics apart line by line looking for the gay subtext. In this case, we’re not sure it counts as subtext. It’s just the text at this point. The line, “Skin amaretto / I bet you taste just like the summer / Under the covers” transitioning into a fantasy about a threesome with Gabriela pretty much speaks for itself. This girl is so down bad for Gabriela that she literally passes away with her “heart in the casket” when she sees her. There is perhaps no experience more relatable to lesbians than seeing a woman that is so hot that you just die on the spot. 

We know one thing for sure, Gabriela Should’ve Been Gay.

Give us your own answers to our Q & Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @lezhangoutpod@gmail.com. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster).
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SBG 161: Gabriela (by Katseye)

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Welcome back to Lez Hang Out, the podcast that fully supports you U-Hauling with your girlfriend of two weeks. 
This week, co-hosts Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out and talk about the lesbian divorce rate discourse. If you spend any time on Reneé Rapp’s internet you likely have seen some variation of this so-called “fact” going around about married lesbian couples having a 70% divorce rate. You may even have taken this fact at face-value. We’re not statisticians and we won’t say we did all that much deep research for this episode, but the claim is absolutely a myth. And it very much misrepresents the findings of that study. The world of statistics is a mess and it’s challenging to get a clear analysis of lesbian divorce rates when women have only been legally allowed to marry each other in this country for like a decade. It’s only natural that it will take time for marriage and divorce rates to stabilize, especially with LGBTQ+ rights in constant flux. With all this confusing back-and-forth, we wanted to take some time to look into some of these studies and give our two cents on what the reasons may be for lesbian couples having a higher divorce rate (if true). 
Through our super professional research we discovered a few factors that might be at play. First off, lesbian couples get married at higher rates than gay male couples and tend to be more monogamous. That coupled with the fact that women of all sexualities are more likely to initiate divorce than men leads us to believe this statistic is likely true. Next, time moves differently for queer couples. We have to consider things that straight couples simply never have to worry about, like whether we’ll legally be allowed to get married if we choose to wait. This can lead to lesbians jumping into marriages faster and discovering incompatibility afterward. We also are shown to be less likely to “stay for the kids”, probably because queer women are more inclined to co-parent equally after a divorce. However, we can’t completely ignore the flaws in the existing studies. Many include queer women who have divorced men in the past or include such a disproportionate sample size of queer couples to straight couples that it invalidates the results.
While there are obvious issues with the way the research has largely been approached (mainly because the straights do not understand how we operate), we will concede that everything seems to be pointing to it being true that lesbians divorce at a higher rate than both heterosexual and gay male couples. However, we also choose to believe the studies that show that lesbian couples have higher rates of satisfaction in our marriages and lower rates of cheating than other couples. Plus, lesbians who do U-Haul prior to getting married have lower rates of divorce. So really, we’re still the best and the straights can just keep crying about it. 
Don’t forget to show your support for our tiny independent team by shopping small at <a href="http://bit.ly/lezmerch">bit.ly/lezmerch</a> &amp; picking up Lez-ssentials songs on <a href="https://lezhangoutpod.bandcamp.com/">Bandcamp</a>.
Give us your own answers to our Q &amp; Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @<a href="mailto:lezhangoutpod@gmail.com">lezhangoutpod@gmail.com</a>. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

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Welcome back to Lez Hang Out, the podcast that fully supports you U-Hauling with your girlfriend of two weeks. 

This week, co-hosts Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out and talk about the lesbian divorce rate discourse. If you spend any time on Reneé Rapp’s internet you likely have seen some variation of this so-called “fact” going around about married lesbian couples having a 70% divorce rate. You may even have taken this fact at face-value. We’re not statisticians and we won’t say we did all that much deep research for this episode, but the claim is absolutely a myth. And it very much misrepresents the findings of that study. The world of statistics is a mess and it’s challenging to get a clear analysis of lesbian divorce rates when women have only been legally allowed to marry each other in this country for like a decade. It’s only natural that it will take time for marriage and divorce rates to stabilize, especially with LGBTQ+ rights in constant flux. With all this confusing back-and-forth, we wanted to take some time to look into some of these studies and give our two cents on what the reasons may be for lesbian couples having a higher divorce rate (if true). 

Through our super professional research we discovered a few factors that might be at play. First off, lesbian couples get married at higher rates than gay male couples and tend to be more monogamous. That coupled with the fact that women of all sexualities are more likely to initiate divorce than men leads us to believe this statistic is likely true. Next, time moves differently for queer couples. We have to consider things that straight couples simply never have to worry about, like whether we’ll legally be allowed to get married if we choose to wait. This can lead to lesbians jumping into marriages faster and discovering incompatibility afterward. We also are shown to be less likely to “stay for the kids”, probably because queer women are more inclined to co-parent equally after a divorce. However, we can’t completely ignore the flaws in the existing studies. Many include queer women who have divorced men in the past or include such a disproportionate sample size of queer couples to straight couples that it invalidates the results.

While there are obvious issues with the way the research has largely been approached (mainly because the straights do not understand how we operate), we will concede that everything seems to be pointing to it being true that lesbians divorce at a higher rate than both heterosexual and gay male couples. However, we also choose to believe the studies that show that lesbian couples have higher rates of satisfaction in our marriages and lower rates of cheating than other couples. Plus, lesbians who do U-Haul prior to getting married have lower rates of divorce. So really, we’re still the best and the straights can just keep crying about it. 

Don’t forget to show your support for our tiny independent team by shopping small at bit.ly/lezmerch &amp; picking up Lez-ssentials songs on Bandcamp.

Give us your own answers to our Q &amp; Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @lezhangoutpod@gmail.com. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster).
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This week, co-hosts Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out and talk about the lesbian divorce rate discourse.

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This week, co-hosts Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out and talk about the lesbian divorce rate discourse. If you spend any time on Reneé Rapp’s internet you likely have seen some variation of this so-called “fact” going around about married lesbian couples having a 70% divorce rate. You may even have taken this fact at face-value. We’re not statisticians and we won’t say we did all that much deep research for this episode, but the claim is absolutely a myth. And it very much misrepresents the findings of that study. The world of statistics is a mess and it’s challenging to get a clear analysis of lesbian divorce rates when women have only been legally allowed to marry each other in this country for like a decade. It’s only natural that it will take time for marriage and divorce rates to stabilize, especially with LGBTQ+ rights in constant flux. With all this confusing back-and-forth, we wanted to take some time to look into some of these studies and give our two cents on what the reasons may be for lesbian couples having a higher divorce rate (if true). 

Through our super professional research we discovered a few factors that might be at play. First off, lesbian couples get married at higher rates than gay male couples and tend to be more monogamous. That coupled with the fact that women of all sexualities are more likely to initiate divorce than men leads us to believe this statistic is likely true. Next, time moves differently for queer couples. We have to consider things that straight couples simply never have to worry about, like whether we’ll legally be allowed to get married if we choose to wait. This can lead to lesbians jumping into marriages faster and discovering incompatibility afterward. We also are shown to be less likely to “stay for the kids”, probably because queer women are more inclined to co-parent equally after a divorce. However, we can’t completely ignore the flaws in the existing studies. Many include queer women who have divorced men in the past or include such a disproportionate sample size of queer couples to straight couples that it invalidates the results.

While there are obvious issues with the way the research has largely been approached (mainly because the straights do not understand how we operate), we will concede that everything seems to be pointing to it being true that lesbians divorce at a higher rate than both heterosexual and gay male couples. However, we also choose to believe the studies that show that lesbian couples have higher rates of satisfaction in our marriages and lower rates of cheating than other couples. Plus, lesbians who do U-Haul prior to getting married have lower rates of divorce. So really, we’re still the best and the straights can just keep crying about it. 

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911: Untying the Knot

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This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out with queer actor, writer, and comedian Olivia Levine (@<a href="https://www.instagram.com/olivialevine19/">olivialevine19</a>) to talk about why the 1999 cult classic Drop Dead Gorgeous, Should’ve Been Gay. If you’re unfamiliar with the plot, it focuses on a small town beauty pageant that turns deadly for the contestants. As with many movies from the 90s, there are a lot of things in the script that just do not hold up in 2026. We still enjoyed this movie overall, but please be aware there is a period-typical amount of ableism, racism, and homophobia. 
One thing that Drop Dead Gorgeous does get right is the casting. This cast is STACKED. If you’re a millennial like us, you’ll recognize so many people in this movie, including Kirsten Dunst, Kirstie Alley, Denise Richards, Brittany Murphy, and Amy Adams. The acting is impeccable and the characters are delightfully unhinged in the campiest of ways. Being an SBG, the characters aren’t openly queer, but we can honestly say we do not think there is a single straight character in this movie. Unfortunately, interpreting these characters as queer means there is quite a bit of BYG (bury your gays) trope throughout. For a romcom, there is a shocking amount of murders, but they are done in really over the top, comical ways (so it isn’t scary to watch!). 
We know one thing for sure, Drop Dead Gorgeous Should’ve Been Gay.
Check out Olivia’s monthly comedy show “<a href="https://www.instagram.com/strapped_comedy/">Strapped</a>” at the legendary Stonewall Inn in NYC. Keep an eye out for upcoming dates and locations for Olivia’s solo comedy show “Unstuck”, which focuses on the intersection of OCD, anxiety and queerness. 
Give us your own answers to our Q &amp; Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @<a href="mailto:lezhangoutpod@gmail.com">lezhangoutpod@gmail.com</a>. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

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You can also support the show by shopping small at bit.ly/lezmerch &amp; picking up Lez-ssentials songs on Bandcamp.

Welcome back to Lez Hang Out, the podcast that is just too good to be true.

This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out with queer actor, writer, and comedian Olivia Levine (@olivialevine19) to talk about why the 1999 cult classic Drop Dead Gorgeous, Should’ve Been Gay. If you’re unfamiliar with the plot, it focuses on a small town beauty pageant that turns deadly for the contestants. As with many movies from the 90s, there are a lot of things in the script that just do not hold up in 2026. We still enjoyed this movie overall, but please be aware there is a period-typical amount of ableism, racism, and homophobia. 

One thing that Drop Dead Gorgeous does get right is the casting. This cast is STACKED. If you’re a millennial like us, you’ll recognize so many people in this movie, including Kirsten Dunst, Kirstie Alley, Denise Richards, Brittany Murphy, and Amy Adams. The acting is impeccable and the characters are delightfully unhinged in the campiest of ways. Being an SBG, the characters aren’t openly queer, but we can honestly say we do not think there is a single straight character in this movie. Unfortunately, interpreting these characters as queer means there is quite a bit of BYG (bury your gays) trope throughout. For a romcom, there is a shocking amount of murders, but they are done in really over the top, comical ways (so it isn’t scary to watch!). 

We know one thing for sure, Drop Dead Gorgeous Should’ve Been Gay.

Check out Olivia’s monthly comedy show “Strapped” at the legendary Stonewall Inn in NYC. Keep an eye out for upcoming dates and locations for Olivia’s solo comedy show “Unstuck”, which focuses on the intersection of OCD, anxiety and queerness. 

Give us your own answers to our Q &amp; Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @lezhangoutpod@gmail.com. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster).
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This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out with queer actor, writer, and comedian Olivia Levine (@⁠olivialevine19⁠) to talk about why the 1999 cult classic Drop Dead Gorgeous, Should’ve Been Gay.

Join our Patreon to unlock 25+ full-length bonus episodes, ad-free weekly episodes, mp3 downloads of our original songs, exclusive Discord access, and more!

You can also support the show by shopping small at bit.ly/lezmerch & picking up Lez-ssentials songs on Bandcamp.

Welcome back to Lez Hang Out, the podcast that is just too good to be true.

This week, Leigh (@lshfoster) and Ellie (@elliebrigida) hang out with queer actor, writer, and comedian Olivia Levine (@olivialevine19) to talk about why the 1999 cult classic Drop Dead Gorgeous, Should’ve Been Gay. If you’re unfamiliar with the plot, it focuses on a small town beauty pageant that turns deadly for the contestants. As with many movies from the 90s, there are a lot of things in the script that just do not hold up in 2026. We still enjoyed this movie overall, but please be aware there is a period-typical amount of ableism, racism, and homophobia. 

One thing that Drop Dead Gorgeous does get right is the casting. This cast is STACKED. If you’re a millennial like us, you’ll recognize so many people in this movie, including Kirsten Dunst, Kirstie Alley, Denise Richards, Brittany Murphy, and Amy Adams. The acting is impeccable and the characters are delightfully unhinged in the campiest of ways. Being an SBG, the characters aren’t openly queer, but we can honestly say we do not think there is a single straight character in this movie. Unfortunately, interpreting these characters as queer means there is quite a bit of BYG (bury your gays) trope throughout. For a romcom, there is a shocking amount of murders, but they are done in really over the top, comical ways (so it isn’t scary to watch!). 

We know one thing for sure, Drop Dead Gorgeous Should’ve Been Gay.

Check out Olivia’s monthly comedy show “Strapped” at the legendary Stonewall Inn in NYC. Keep an eye out for upcoming dates and locations for Olivia’s solo comedy show “Unstuck”, which focuses on the intersection of OCD, anxiety and queerness. 

Give us your own answers to our Q & Gay on Instagram and follow along on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and BlueSky @lezhangoutpod. Email us @lezhangoutpod@gmail.com. Connect with us individually: Ellie Brigida (@elliebrigida). Leigh Holmes Foster (@lshfoster).
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SBG 160: Drop Dead Gorgeous with Olivia Levine

Hang out with Ellie Brigida and Leigh Holmes Foster, the lesbians you'd want at your potluck! Covering topics on lesbian experiences, representation, culture, life, love, etc. for some sapphic socialization!

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