In this episode, Kiv and Tulechki sit down with Ivan Gligorijevic (CEO & Co-founder, mBrainTrain) and Teodor Vakarelsky (Bulgarian Academy of Sciences) to talk about brain-computer interfaces and their work in the VIBraTE EU  πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ίresearch projet (g.a 101086815).

We cover what EEG can actually measure today, where it’s already being used (medicine, research, wearables), and why β€œreading thoughts” is still way harder than people think. We also compare non-invasive EEG to invasive implantsβ€”and what each approach can realistically deliver.

In the second part, we dig into the real engineering problem behind implants: the brain is soft, moving, and viscoelastic, while electrodes are rigidβ€”leading to tissue damage, inflammation, and scar tissue that breaks long-term performance. That’s where VIBraTE comes in: modeling these interactions to design safer, longer-lasting interfaces.

At the end, we go full sci-fi: if we solve the biology and the bandwidth, what does a future with brain-AI integration look likeβ€”and what are the privacy and ethics risks we’re walking into?

Π’ Ρ‚ΠΎΠ·ΠΈ Π΅ΠΏΠΈΠ·ΠΎΠ΄ Кив ΠΈ Π’ΡƒΠ»Π΅Ρ‡ΠΊΠΈ разговарят с Иван Π“Π»ΠΈΠ³ΠΎΡ€ΠΈeΠ²ΠΈΡ‡ (CEO ΠΈ ΡΡŠΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎΠ²Π°Ρ‚Π΅Π» Π½Π° mBrainTrain) ΠΈ Π’Π΅ΠΎΠ΄ΠΎΡ€ ВакарСлски (БАН) Π·Π°  Ρ€Π°Π±ΠΎΡ‚Π°Ρ‚Π° ΠΈΠΌ ΠΏΠΎ СвропСйския ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ΅ΠΊΡ‚ VIBraTE πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί (g.a 101086815).

Π Π°Π·Π³Π»Π΅ΠΆΠ΄Π°ΠΌΠ΅ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠ²ΠΎ Π²ΡΡŠΡ‰Π½ΠΎΡΡ‚ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅ Π΄Π° ΠΈΠ·ΠΌΠ΅Ρ€Π²Π° EEG днСс, къдС Π²Π΅Ρ‡Π΅ сС ΠΈΠ·ΠΏΠΎΠ»Π·Π²Π° (Π² ΠΌΠ΅Π΄ΠΈΡ†ΠΈΠ½Π°Ρ‚Π°, Π½Π°ΡƒΡ‡Π½ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ изслСдвания, прСносимитС устройства) ΠΈ Π·Π°Ρ‰ΠΎ β€žΡ‡Π΅Ρ‚Π΅Π½Π΅Ρ‚ΠΎ Π½Π° ΠΌΠΈΡΠ»ΠΈβ€œ всС ΠΎΡ‰Π΅ Π΅ ΠΌΠ½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΏΠΎ-Ρ‚Ρ€ΡƒΠ΄Π½ΠΎ, ΠΎΡ‚ΠΊΠΎΠ»ΠΊΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ Ρ…ΠΎΡ€Π°Ρ‚Π° си прСдставят. БравнявамС ΠΈ Π½Π΅ΠΈΠ½Π²Π°Π·ΠΈΠ²Π½ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ EEG с ΠΈΠ½Π²Π°Π·ΠΈΠ²Π½ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ ΠΈΠΌΠΏΠ»Π°Π½Ρ‚ΠΈ β€” ΠΈ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠ²ΠΎ Ρ€Π΅Π°Π»Π½ΠΎ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅ Π΄Π° сС постигнС с всСки ΠΎΡ‚ Π΄Π²Π°Ρ‚Π° ΠΏΠΎΠ΄Ρ…ΠΎΠ΄Π°.

Π’Ρ‚ΠΎΡ€Π°Ρ‚Π° част Π½Π°Π²Π»ΠΈΠ·Π°ΠΌΠ΅ Π² истинския ΠΈΠ½ΠΆΠ΅Π½Π΅Ρ€Π΅Π½ ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ±Π»Π΅ΠΌ ΠΏΡ€ΠΈ ΠΈΠΌΠΏΠ»Π°Π½Ρ‚ΠΈΡ‚Π΅: ΠΌΠΎΠ·ΡŠΠΊΡŠΡ‚ Π΅ ΠΌΠ΅ΠΊ, ΠΏΠΎΠ΄Π²ΠΈΠΆΠ΅Π½ ΠΈ вискоСластичСн, Π΄ΠΎΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΠΎ Π΅Π»Π΅ΠΊΡ‚Ρ€ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ са Ρ‚Π²ΡŠΡ€Π΄ΠΈ β€” ΠΊΠΎΠ΅Ρ‚ΠΎ Π²ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈ Π΄ΠΎ ΡƒΠ²Ρ€Π΅ΠΆΠ΄Π°Π½Π΅ Π½Π° Ρ‚ΡŠΠΊΠ°Π½, възпалСния ΠΈ ΠΎΠ±Ρ€Π°Π·ΡƒΠ²Π°Π½Π΅ Π½Π° Π±Π΅Π»Π΅Π·ΠΈ, ΠΊΠΎΠΈΡ‚ΠΎ Π²Π»ΠΎΡˆΠ°Π²Π°Ρ‚ Π΄ΡŠΠ»Π³ΠΎΡΡ€ΠΎΡ‡Π½Π°Ρ‚Π° Ρ€Π°Π±ΠΎΡ‚Π°. Π’ΡƒΠΊ сС намСсва VIBraTE: ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ΅ΠΊΡ‚ΠΈΡ€Π° ΠΌΠΎΠ΄Π΅Π»ΠΈ Π½Π° Ρ‚Π΅Π·ΠΈ взаимодСйствия, Π·Π° Π΄Π° сС ΡΡŠΠ·Π΄Π°Π΄Π°Ρ‚ ΠΏΠΎ-бСзопасни ΠΈ ΠΏΠΎ-ΠΈΠ·Π΄Ρ€ΡŠΠΆΠ»ΠΈΠ²ΠΈ интСрфСйси.

Накрая ΠΏΡ€Π΅ΠΌΠΈΠ½Π°Π²Π°ΠΌΠ΅ към чиста Π½Π°ΡƒΡ‡Π½Π° фантастика: Π°ΠΊΠΎ Ρ€Π΅ΡˆΠΈΠΌ ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ±Π»Π΅ΠΌΠΈΡ‚Π΅ с биологията ΠΈ ΠΊΠ°ΠΏΠ°Ρ†ΠΈΡ‚Π΅Ρ‚Π° Π·Π° ΠΏΡ€Π΅Π΄Π°Π²Π°Π½Π΅ Π½Π° Π΄Π°Π½Π½ΠΈ, ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Π±ΠΈ ΠΈΠ·Π³Π»Π΅ΠΆΠ΄Π°Π»ΠΎ Π±ΡŠΠ΄Π΅Ρ‰Π΅Ρ‚ΠΎ с интСграция ΠΌΠ΅ΠΆΠ΄Ρƒ мозък ΠΈ изкуствСн ΠΈΠ½Ρ‚Π΅Π»Π΅ΠΊΡ‚ β€” ΠΈ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠ²ΠΈ рисковС Π·Π° Π»ΠΈΡ‡Π½Π°Ρ‚Π° нСприкосновСност ΠΈ Π΅Ρ‚ΠΈΠΊΠ°Ρ‚Π° Π²ΡŠΡ€Π²ΡΡ‚ с Π½Π΅Π³ΠΎ?

#links:
VIBraTE project page: http://vibrate-project.eu/
https://mbraintrain.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/teodor-vakarelsky/

ΠŸΠ°Ρ€Ρ‚Π½ΡŒΠΎΡ€ΠΈ са Grapwise.ai И Π”Π°Π½Π½ΠΈ Π·Π° Π΄ΠΎΠ±Ρ€ΠΎ
Автор Π½Π° ΠΌΡƒΠ·ΠΈΠΊΠ°Ρ‚Π° Π½Π° подкаста Π΅ Мишо

 #about #podcast
β€žΠΠ³Π΅Π½Ρ‚ 001β€œ изслСдва прСсСчнитС Ρ‚ΠΎΡ‡ΠΊΠΈ Π½Π° Ρ‚Π΅Ρ…Π½ΠΎΠ»ΠΎΠ³ΠΈΠΈΡ‚Π΅ ΠΈ общСството, Π½Π° Π΄ΠΈΠ³ΠΈΡ‚Π°Π»Π½ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ ΠΈ Ρ€Π΅Π°Π»Π½ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ, Π½Π° Π½Π΅Ρ‰Π°Ρ‚Π° ΠΈ Π΄Π°Π½Π½ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ Π·Π° тях. Π’ΠΎΠ²Π° Π΅ Π΅Π΄Π½Π° ΠΎΡ‚ ΡˆΠ΅ΡΡ‚Ρ‚Π΅ сСрии Π½Π° Ratio Podcast – подкаст Π·Π° Π»ΡŽΠ±ΠΎΠΏΠΈΡ‚Π½ΠΈ Ρ…ΠΎΡ€Π°. Π‘ Π½Π΅Π³ΠΎΠ²Π° ΠΏΠΎΠΌΠΎΡ‰ Ρ‰Π΅ Π½Π°Π²Π»Π΅Π·Π΅Ρ‚Π΅ Π² свСта Π½Π° Π˜Π·ΠΊΡƒΡΡ‚Π²Π΅Π½ΠΈΡ ΠΈΠ½Ρ‚Π΅Π»Π΅ΠΊΡ‚ ΠΈ Ρ‚Π΅Ρ…Π½ΠΎΠ»ΠΎΠ³ΠΈΠΈΡ‚Π΅ ΠΈ Ρ‰Π΅ Ρ‡ΡƒΠ΅Ρ‚Π΅ Π½Π΅Ρ„ΠΎΡ€ΠΌΠ°Π»Π½ΠΈ Ρ€Π°Π·Π³ΠΎΠ²ΠΎΡ€ΠΈ с интСрСсни ΡΡŠΠ±Π΅ΡΠ΅Π΄Π½ΠΈΡ†ΠΈ, ΡΠ²ΡŠΡ€Π·Π°Π½ΠΈ ΠΈΠ»ΠΈ Π²Π΄ΡŠΡ…Π½ΠΎΠ²Π΅Π½ΠΈ ΠΎΡ‚ Π½Π°ΡƒΠΊΠ°Ρ‚Π° ΠΈ AI. ΠŸΠ°Ρ€Ρ‚Π½ΡŒΠΎΡ€ Π½Π° подкаста Π΅ Graphwise, компания, която Ρ€Π°Π·Π²ΠΈΠ²Π° Ρ‚Π΅Ρ…Π½ΠΎΠ»ΠΎΠ³ΠΈΠΈ, с ΠΊΠΎΠΈΡ‚ΠΎ Π΄Π°Π½Π½ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ ΠΏΡ€ΠΈΠ΄ΠΎΠ±ΠΈΠ²Π°Ρ‚ смисъл. ΠŸΠΎΠ΄ΠΊΠ°ΡΡ‚ΡŠΡ‚ сС Ρ€Π΅Π°Π»ΠΈΠ·ΠΈΡ€Π° ΠΈ с ΠΏΠΎΠ΄ΠΊΡ€Π΅ΠΏΠ°Ρ‚Π° Π½Π° Π”Π°Π½Π½ΠΈ Π·Π° Π΄ΠΎΠ±Ρ€ΠΎ.

Ratio Podcast

Ratio Podcast

EP750- Brain-computer interfaces | guests T. Vakarelsky and I. Gligorijevic [Agent 001 ]

DEC 12, 202597 MIN
Ratio Podcast

EP750- Brain-computer interfaces | guests T. Vakarelsky and I. Gligorijevic [Agent 001 ]

DEC 12, 202597 MIN

Description

In this episode, Kiv and Tulechki sit down with Ivan Gligorijevic (CEO & Co-founder, mBrainTrain) and Teodor Vakarelsky (Bulgarian Academy of Sciences) to talk about brain-computer interfaces and their work in the VIBraTE EU πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ίresearch projet (g.a 101086815). We cover what EEG can actually measure today, where it’s already being used (medicine, research, wearables), and why β€œreading thoughts” is still way harder than people think. We also compare non-invasive EEG to invasive implantsβ€”and what each approach can realistically deliver. In the second part, we dig into the real engineering problem behind implants: the brain is soft, moving, and viscoelastic, while electrodes are rigidβ€”leading to tissue damage, inflammation, and scar tissue that breaks long-term performance. That’s where VIBraTE comes in: modeling these interactions to design safer, longer-lasting interfaces. At the end, we go full sci-fi: if we solve the biology and the bandwidth, what does a future with brain-AI integration look likeβ€”and what are the privacy and ethics risks we’re walking into? Π’ Ρ‚ΠΎΠ·ΠΈ Π΅ΠΏΠΈΠ·ΠΎΠ΄ Кив ΠΈ Π’ΡƒΠ»Π΅Ρ‡ΠΊΠΈ разговарят с Иван Π“Π»ΠΈΠ³ΠΎΡ€ΠΈeΠ²ΠΈΡ‡ (CEO ΠΈ ΡΡŠΠΎΡΠ½ΠΎΠ²Π°Ρ‚Π΅Π» Π½Π° mBrainTrain) ΠΈ Π’Π΅ΠΎΠ΄ΠΎΡ€ ВакарСлски (БАН) Π·Π° Ρ€Π°Π±ΠΎΡ‚Π°Ρ‚Π° ΠΈΠΌ ΠΏΠΎ СвропСйския ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ΅ΠΊΡ‚ VIBraTE πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί (g.a 101086815). Π Π°Π·Π³Π»Π΅ΠΆΠ΄Π°ΠΌΠ΅ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠ²ΠΎ Π²ΡΡŠΡ‰Π½ΠΎΡΡ‚ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅ Π΄Π° ΠΈΠ·ΠΌΠ΅Ρ€Π²Π° EEG днСс, къдС Π²Π΅Ρ‡Π΅ сС ΠΈΠ·ΠΏΠΎΠ»Π·Π²Π° (Π² ΠΌΠ΅Π΄ΠΈΡ†ΠΈΠ½Π°Ρ‚Π°, Π½Π°ΡƒΡ‡Π½ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ изслСдвания, прСносимитС устройства) ΠΈ Π·Π°Ρ‰ΠΎ β€žΡ‡Π΅Ρ‚Π΅Π½Π΅Ρ‚ΠΎ Π½Π° ΠΌΠΈΡΠ»ΠΈβ€œ всС ΠΎΡ‰Π΅ Π΅ ΠΌΠ½ΠΎΠ³ΠΎ ΠΏΠΎ-Ρ‚Ρ€ΡƒΠ΄Π½ΠΎ, ΠΎΡ‚ΠΊΠΎΠ»ΠΊΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ Ρ…ΠΎΡ€Π°Ρ‚Π° си прСдставят. БравнявамС ΠΈ Π½Π΅ΠΈΠ½Π²Π°Π·ΠΈΠ²Π½ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ EEG с ΠΈΠ½Π²Π°Π·ΠΈΠ²Π½ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ ΠΈΠΌΠΏΠ»Π°Π½Ρ‚ΠΈ β€” ΠΈ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠ²ΠΎ Ρ€Π΅Π°Π»Π½ΠΎ ΠΌΠΎΠΆΠ΅ Π΄Π° сС постигнС с всСки ΠΎΡ‚ Π΄Π²Π°Ρ‚Π° ΠΏΠΎΠ΄Ρ…ΠΎΠ΄Π°. Π’Ρ‚ΠΎΡ€Π°Ρ‚Π° част Π½Π°Π²Π»ΠΈΠ·Π°ΠΌΠ΅ Π² истинския ΠΈΠ½ΠΆΠ΅Π½Π΅Ρ€Π΅Π½ ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ±Π»Π΅ΠΌ ΠΏΡ€ΠΈ ΠΈΠΌΠΏΠ»Π°Π½Ρ‚ΠΈΡ‚Π΅: ΠΌΠΎΠ·ΡŠΠΊΡŠΡ‚ Π΅ ΠΌΠ΅ΠΊ, ΠΏΠΎΠ΄Π²ΠΈΠΆΠ΅Π½ ΠΈ вискоСластичСн, Π΄ΠΎΠΊΠ°Ρ‚ΠΎ Π΅Π»Π΅ΠΊΡ‚Ρ€ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ са Ρ‚Π²ΡŠΡ€Π΄ΠΈ β€” ΠΊΠΎΠ΅Ρ‚ΠΎ Π²ΠΎΠ΄ΠΈ Π΄ΠΎ ΡƒΠ²Ρ€Π΅ΠΆΠ΄Π°Π½Π΅ Π½Π° Ρ‚ΡŠΠΊΠ°Π½, възпалСния ΠΈ ΠΎΠ±Ρ€Π°Π·ΡƒΠ²Π°Π½Π΅ Π½Π° Π±Π΅Π»Π΅Π·ΠΈ, ΠΊΠΎΠΈΡ‚ΠΎ Π²Π»ΠΎΡˆΠ°Π²Π°Ρ‚ Π΄ΡŠΠ»Π³ΠΎΡΡ€ΠΎΡ‡Π½Π°Ρ‚Π° Ρ€Π°Π±ΠΎΡ‚Π°. Π’ΡƒΠΊ сС намСсва VIBraTE: ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ΅ΠΊΡ‚ΠΈΡ€Π° ΠΌΠΎΠ΄Π΅Π»ΠΈ Π½Π° Ρ‚Π΅Π·ΠΈ взаимодСйствия, Π·Π° Π΄Π° сС ΡΡŠΠ·Π΄Π°Π΄Π°Ρ‚ ΠΏΠΎ-бСзопасни ΠΈ ΠΏΠΎ-ΠΈΠ·Π΄Ρ€ΡŠΠΆΠ»ΠΈΠ²ΠΈ интСрфСйси. Накрая ΠΏΡ€Π΅ΠΌΠΈΠ½Π°Π²Π°ΠΌΠ΅ към чиста Π½Π°ΡƒΡ‡Π½Π° фантастика: Π°ΠΊΠΎ Ρ€Π΅ΡˆΠΈΠΌ ΠΏΡ€ΠΎΠ±Π»Π΅ΠΌΠΈΡ‚Π΅ с биологията ΠΈ ΠΊΠ°ΠΏΠ°Ρ†ΠΈΡ‚Π΅Ρ‚Π° Π·Π° ΠΏΡ€Π΅Π΄Π°Π²Π°Π½Π΅ Π½Π° Π΄Π°Π½Π½ΠΈ, ΠΊΠ°ΠΊ Π±ΠΈ ΠΈΠ·Π³Π»Π΅ΠΆΠ΄Π°Π»ΠΎ Π±ΡŠΠ΄Π΅Ρ‰Π΅Ρ‚ΠΎ с интСграция ΠΌΠ΅ΠΆΠ΄Ρƒ мозък ΠΈ изкуствСн ΠΈΠ½Ρ‚Π΅Π»Π΅ΠΊΡ‚ β€” ΠΈ ΠΊΠ°ΠΊΠ²ΠΈ рисковС Π·Π° Π»ΠΈΡ‡Π½Π°Ρ‚Π° нСприкосновСност ΠΈ Π΅Ρ‚ΠΈΠΊΠ°Ρ‚Π° Π²ΡŠΡ€Π²ΡΡ‚ с Π½Π΅Π³ΠΎ? #links: VIBraTE project page: http://vibrate-project.eu/ https://mbraintrain.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/teodor-vakarelsky/ ΠŸΠ°Ρ€Ρ‚Π½ΡŒΠΎΡ€ΠΈ са Grapwise.ai И Π”Π°Π½Π½ΠΈ Π·Π° Π΄ΠΎΠ±Ρ€ΠΎ Автор Π½Π° ΠΌΡƒΠ·ΠΈΠΊΠ°Ρ‚Π° Π½Π° подкаста Π΅ Мишо #about #podcast β€žΠΠ³Π΅Π½Ρ‚ 001β€œ изслСдва прСсСчнитС Ρ‚ΠΎΡ‡ΠΊΠΈ Π½Π° Ρ‚Π΅Ρ…Π½ΠΎΠ»ΠΎΠ³ΠΈΠΈΡ‚Π΅ ΠΈ общСството, Π½Π° Π΄ΠΈΠ³ΠΈΡ‚Π°Π»Π½ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ ΠΈ Ρ€Π΅Π°Π»Π½ΠΎΡ‚ΠΎ, Π½Π° Π½Π΅Ρ‰Π°Ρ‚Π° ΠΈ Π΄Π°Π½Π½ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ Π·Π° тях. Π’ΠΎΠ²Π° Π΅ Π΅Π΄Π½Π° ΠΎΡ‚ ΡˆΠ΅ΡΡ‚Ρ‚Π΅ сСрии Π½Π° Ratio Podcast – подкаст Π·Π° Π»ΡŽΠ±ΠΎΠΏΠΈΡ‚Π½ΠΈ Ρ…ΠΎΡ€Π°. Π‘ Π½Π΅Π³ΠΎΠ²Π° ΠΏΠΎΠΌΠΎΡ‰ Ρ‰Π΅ Π½Π°Π²Π»Π΅Π·Π΅Ρ‚Π΅ Π² свСта Π½Π° Π˜Π·ΠΊΡƒΡΡ‚Π²Π΅Π½ΠΈΡ ΠΈΠ½Ρ‚Π΅Π»Π΅ΠΊΡ‚ ΠΈ Ρ‚Π΅Ρ…Π½ΠΎΠ»ΠΎΠ³ΠΈΠΈΡ‚Π΅ ΠΈ Ρ‰Π΅ Ρ‡ΡƒΠ΅Ρ‚Π΅ Π½Π΅Ρ„ΠΎΡ€ΠΌΠ°Π»Π½ΠΈ Ρ€Π°Π·Π³ΠΎΠ²ΠΎΡ€ΠΈ с интСрСсни ΡΡŠΠ±Π΅ΡΠ΅Π΄Π½ΠΈΡ†ΠΈ, ΡΠ²ΡŠΡ€Π·Π°Π½ΠΈ ΠΈΠ»ΠΈ Π²Π΄ΡŠΡ…Π½ΠΎΠ²Π΅Π½ΠΈ ΠΎΡ‚ Π½Π°ΡƒΠΊΠ°Ρ‚Π° ΠΈ AI. ΠŸΠ°Ρ€Ρ‚Π½ΡŒΠΎΡ€ Π½Π° подкаста Π΅ Graphwise, компания, която Ρ€Π°Π·Π²ΠΈΠ²Π° Ρ‚Π΅Ρ…Π½ΠΎΠ»ΠΎΠ³ΠΈΠΈ, с ΠΊΠΎΠΈΡ‚ΠΎ Π΄Π°Π½Π½ΠΈΡ‚Π΅ ΠΏΡ€ΠΈΠ΄ΠΎΠ±ΠΈΠ²Π°Ρ‚ смисъл. ΠŸΠΎΠ΄ΠΊΠ°ΡΡ‚ΡŠΡ‚ сС Ρ€Π΅Π°Π»ΠΈΠ·ΠΈΡ€Π° ΠΈ с ΠΏΠΎΠ΄ΠΊΡ€Π΅ΠΏΠ°Ρ‚Π° Π½Π° Π”Π°Π½Π½ΠΈ Π·Π° Π΄ΠΎΠ±Ρ€ΠΎ.