<p>adrienne and Autumn sit down with great teacher, <strong>Norma Wong</strong>, whose new book, <a href="https://www.normawong.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer"><em>When No Thing Works: A Zen and Indigenous Perspective on Resilience, Shared Purpose, and Leadership in the Timeplace of Collapse</em></a>, was released the day after the election. Wong brings her years of organizing, electoral work, and spiritual practice to bear on this moment of collapse, with wisdom, wit, and deep care for all life.</p>
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