The Insurance Guys Podcast

Ron Shroyer puts a number on the biggest decision an agency owner will ever make: one hour on Zoom and maybe a three hour dinner. That is how long most sellers spend vetting the firm that is buying the largest asset they will ever own, and it is the thread running through this entire conversation. Shroyer, Vice President of M&A Business Development at Alliant Insurance Services, returns to the show to tell Scott Howell and Bradley Flowers what has actually changed since the roll up boom. Cheap capital dried up first, and the firms that bought a hundred agencies in twenty four months never built the integration to make that scale pay, which is why organic growth across the publics has slid into the low single digits. From there Shroyer separates private equity backed from private equity partnered, explains why earnouts so often turn into earn ups, and shows how Alliant's employee ownership, 51 percent employee held with every third employee a shareholder, drives better than 90 percent retention across roughly 120 acquisitions in ten years. Bradley brings the buyer's side of it, laying out why falling insurance rates have him further from acquiring an agency than he has ever been. Then Scott asks the question nobody says out loud: why do so many owners take the big check and spend the next three years fighting the company they sold to? SHOW OVERVIEW 00:00 Cold open and sponsors 01:03 Welcome, and the incomparable Bradley Flowers 01:55 The Hampton Inn waffle theory of customer behavior 05:00 Guest introduction: Ron Shroyer, Alliant Insurance Services 06:48 Consistency, and the empty hotel in downtown Mobile 08:30 From InsurTech to brokerage: how Ron landed at Alliant 10:14 Inside a six billion dollar flat organization 11:19 Culture is the most overused word in the industry 12:31 Knowing which agencies to listen to 14:33 Where M&A actually stands right now 16:08 Private equity backed versus private equity partnered 16:55 Buying a hundred firms in twenty four months and never integrating them 18:19 Osmosis growth, and why Bradley is not buying right now 21:01 Earnouts, earn ups, and the team you leave behind 21:46 Employee ownership and what Alliant is actually looking for 22:48 The USI and Aon shake out 23:26 The big check and the boss problem 26:07 Why acquisitions die on the vine 27:33 120 deals, 90 percent retention, integrated immediately 28:37 The Band-Aids you never ripped off before selling 29:51 AI as the excuse to cut staff, and the Nava Benefits bet 31:41 Should you sell because you are afraid of AI? 34:44 Keeping your people after the check clears 36:30 B shares, spot bonuses, and the recruiting test 37:42 How to tell whether an acquisition actually worked 39:01 Staying on as owner, and the next generation behind you 41:16 From 2.5 times revenue to multi year earnouts 43:57 Multiple bites of the apple 46:14 How to reach Ron Shroyer, and the close

Scott and Bradley record from their new podcast studio, a real upgrade they plan to keep fully equipped and open to other local business owners. Bradley admits the weekly grind can start to feel like a job instead of a joy, then they get a lift from a call Scott made to a listener who is just launching his own agency. Bradley tells the full story of his new Samsung Frame TV landing in a dumpster by accident and getting pulled back out. That leads into agency realities: the Rough Notes curse of post-feature staff turnover, Kenneth outgrowing his operations manager role, and the ongoing challenge of keeping working mothers in an industry largely run by women. Bradley floats a daycare for employees as one possible fix. He also explains to his leadership team why he is not selling. Young kids and a lot of runway still ahead keep him all in

On this The Insurance Guys episode, Scott and Bradley skip the guest chair and open the mailbag. They talk through who actually carries the show, why M&A multiples are still high while rates soften and a Hub International IPO looms, which carriers besides Progressive make quoting less painful (QuoteWell, Novella, Liberty Mutual, Nationwide, Travelers), why post-bind inspections keep adding work after the policy is already bound, and whether one AI tool can really answer the phones, book appointments, and talk to the CRM. No pitch. Just two agency owners answering what listeners asked.

In this episode of The Insurance Guys Podcast, Scott Howell and Bradley Flowers welcome Chris Ball, chairman of WING and the man Scott calls the coolest guy in insurance, for a conversation on how independent agents can compete on a global stage. Chris walks through a career that began reluctantly in his dad’s office and later took him to aviation and aerospace work in New York, including high profile accounts like U2’s jet, then to Marsh in San Francisco before a culture clash sent him home. He shares his firsthand view of 9/11 from nearby as the planes hit and the towers fell, then explains how WING’s network of independent entrepreneurs across cultures now helps members solve complex risks together. The discussion turns to embedded insurance already common in Japan and ripe for North America, which countries treat insurance as seriously as the United States (the UK and Germany among them), and Chris’s blue ocean play: using that global independent network to go after accounts the mega brokerages want. He outlines a five year plan built on organic growth, recruiting top producers, and giving them equity in their books, and closes with a direct challenge to independent agents. You already have the capability and the partners. Go get the global work.

In this episode of The Insurance Guys Podcast, host Scott Howell kicks things off by introducing co-host Bradley Flowers and sharing news of their new real estate venture in Mobile before the conversation turns to Bradley’s frustration with the bureaucratic delays and inefficiencies involved in securing a simple permit to build three interior walls. Scott then formally introduces the episode’s special guest, his business partner Clinton Orr, appearing on the show for the first time, and the two recount the three-and-a-half-year journey filled with obstacles that finally made Clint an official agency owner. They discuss the decision to bring on Patrick McClure as a fractional sales leader who also served as something of a therapist for the partners, then dig into their early days starting out as competitors in the same Nationwide program office. Clint shares the gut punch of finishing that program only to discover there was no agency waiting for him, how he eventually joined Scott’s agency, struggled at first, and ultimately found his successful niche insuring real estate investors. Scott details how he used ChatGPT and Claude to draft their buy-sell agreement, which was later reviewed by attorneys and accountants, outlines his long-term goal of eventually selling the current agency and launching a new one with Clint as majority owner, and Clint opens up about navigating recent tough market conditions, the personal doubt he faced while weighing his future and family, and the genuine excitement he feels training a new hire and mentoring others who want to succeed in the insurance business.