Benjamin Florey on 'Shuffle': Recovery, Fraud in Treatment, and Building Impact Beyond the Film The Fog of Truth returns with an interview with filmmaker Benjamin Florey about his documentary Shuffle, described as a powerful film on drug abuse and institutions that harm people through fraud in addiction treatment. Florey explains why he framed the film with his own sobriety story, citing authenticity, his relationship to participants, and work-in-progress feedback from the Austin Film Society. He discusses the emotional toll of years of editing largely alone, the support of his wife, grants and screenings, and help from an investigative journalist consultant and editors Jackie Sein and Robin Schwartz. Florey outlines resisting salacious rabbit holes, using darkly humorous, repetitive editing to reflect the absurdity and cycle of relapse, and staying in touch with participants like Corey, Nicole, and Daniel's mom. He describes growing advocacy responsibilities, screenings with Thomas McClellan at Brown, calls for reforming fee-for-service insurance toward outcomes, and plans for a university tour, virtual screenings, and eventual streaming release via stoptheshuffle.com and Instagram. 00:00 Welcome Back Intro 00:33 Film Shuffle Overview 01:34 Why I'm In The Film 04:39 Editing Through The Pain 10:11 Keeping The Story Focused 16:28 Dark Humor Editing Style 19:03 Where Are They Now 20:59 Becoming The Spokesperson 26:19 Fixing Insurance Incentives 29:20 No Talking Heads Approach 34:19 If The Film Had A Foreword 36:51 How To Watch And Support 01:34 Sobriety Framing Choice 04:39 Editing Emotional Toll 10:11 Staying On Narrative Track 16:32 Dark Humor Cut Style 19:03 Where Are They Now 20:59 Becoming The Spokesperson 26:19 Policy Fixes And Obamacare 29:20 Why No Talking Heads 34:19 Forward For The Film 36:51 Where To Watch Next 39:14 Final Thanks And Wrap