Application Security Weekly (Audio)

The MCP standard gave rise to dreams of interconnected agents and nightmares of what those interconnected agents would do with unfettered access to APIs, data, and local systems. Aaron Parecki explains how OAuth's new Client ID Metadata Documents spec provides more security for MCPs and the reasons why the behavior and design of MCPs required a new spec like this.

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For OT systems, uptime is paramount. That's a hard rule that makes maintaining, upgrading, and securing them a complex struggle. Tomas "Data" Owens and James Cotter discuss how Tennessee is tackling the organizational and technical challenges that come with hardening OT systems across the state. Those challenges range from old technology (like RS-232 over Wi-Fi!?) to limited budgets. They talk about the different domains where OT appears and provide some examples of how the next generation of builders and breakers can start learning about this space.

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What are your favorite resources for secure code? Co-hosts John Kinsella and Kalyani Pawar talk about the reality of bringing security into a business. We talk about the role of the OWASP Top 10 and the OWASP ASVS in crafting security programs. And balance that with a discussion in what's the best use of everyone's time -- developers and appsec folks alike -- in crafting code that's secure by design rather than just secure from scanner results.

Secure code should be grounded more in concepts like secure by default and secure by design than by "spot the vuln" thinking. Matias Madou shares his experience in secure coding training and the importance of teaching critical thinking. He also discusses why critical thinking is so closely related to threat modeling and how LLMs can be a tool for helping developers get beyond the superficial advice of, "Think like an attacker."

Just how bad can things get if someone clicks on a link? Rob Allen joins us again to talk about ransomware, why putting too much attention on clicking links misses the larger picture of effective defenses, and what orgs can do to prepare for an influx of holiday-infused ransomware targeting.

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