The Milk Check

MAY 5, 2026

Nonfat is sitting north of $2.25 on the CME spot market. But the bigger question is how long it can hold. In the latest episode of The Milk Check, the Jacoby team breaks down a dairy market that feels tight, fragile and increasingly dependent on timing. Here’s what they’re watching: <ul class="wp-block-list"> <li>Why nonfat prices surged, and what could break them</li> <li>How protein demand is pulling milk away from dryers</li> <li>Why MPC and MPI are outpacing nonfat</li> <li>What the inverted futures curve suggests for the second half of the year</li> <li>How depooling and Class III–IV dynamics are shifting milk flows</li> <li>Why butter feels weaker, even in the middle of flush</li> </ul> Plus, the team talks through what happens if the nonfat market doesn’t break soon. There’s still a lot of milk moving. Just not where it used to go. Let the Jacoby team help you get up to speed on the new dairy market dynamics. Click below and listen to The Milk Check episode 98: A Market on Borrowed Time. <h2 class="wp-block-heading">Got questions?</h2> We’d love to hear them. Submit below, and we might answer it on the show. <div class="wp-block-buttons is-layout-flex wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex"> <div class="wp-block-button"><a class="wp-block-button__link wp-element-button" href="https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=eRDVZfxajkWh7K5qOl4X3WIbMEBcVqdIgPXZ5NPFsw1URFhBTzg0QjM5VzdVTldSRDVHMTg3MlIyMC4u">Ask The Milk Check</a></div> </div> <figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" width="759" height="182" src="https://www.jacoby.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/The-milk-check-098.png" alt="" class="wp-image-3894" srcset="https://www.jacoby.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/The-milk-check-098.png 759w, https://www.jacoby.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/The-milk-check-098-300x72.png 300w" sizes="(max-width: 759px) 100vw, 759px" /></figure> Ted Jacoby III: Coming up on the Milk Check. Jacob Menge: if this doesn’t start falling soon, I think there’s gonna be people that are trying to make money on the short side of this thing because they didn’t make money on the long side. Ted Jacoby III: Welcome to the Milk Check from T.C. Jacoby & Co., Your complete guide to dairy markets, from the milking parlor to the supermarket shelf. I’m Ted Jacoby. Let’s dive in. Today is May 1st. It’s a couple of days after the ADPI and a couple of weeks after the Cheese Expo, and it’s usually after those two meetings a really good time to talk markets. So, we’ll go ahead and start with the market that everybody was talking about at the ADPI. Josh, Jake, Joe, what’s going on with our nonfat market? We’re at $2.26 today, I believe. Are we gonna stay up here for a while? Josh White: It’s a more challenging question than just the absolute price today. I think that if I were to summarize the show, there was a recognition across the entire dairy industry that there might be some legitimate reasons for nonfat to be tighter than they have been over the last several years. It feels like a lot of different things have resulted in the current spot price that we’ve seen today. Over the last five years, we globally have made more skim milk powder and nonfat. We’ve consumed more skim milk powder and nonfat, but the real story is in the fact that we’ve also made a whole lot more milk, and that milk doesn’t seem to have found its way to the dryer. Seems to have found its way to a variety of different products. And equally as important during the ADPI was the talk about the protein market, which I think we can likely get to later. But things like RDT products, beverages, protein consumption, cheese consumption, a lot of things have consumed incremental milk growth, particularly in the U.S., and that happened after many years where buyers had very little concerns over access to supply. And as a result, I think in the background we watched global inventories decline, and that all seems to have come to a head here in the early part of 2026. And now as we’re getting into the northern hemisphere flush, and particularly in middle America, yeah, then we have ADPI. And so, what’s interesting about your question is throughout most of the conference people were pretty convinced, “Yeah, we’re in a tighter nonfat market. We’re all buying into that.” Yet, the days following ADPI, we’ve seen futures sell off a bit and we’ve seen a little bit more volume traded at the CME spot call. What’s that mean going forward? Jacob Menge: The most interesting thing going forward is you don’t talk to single person that says these prices are gonna stick around for six months. And so it’s really a matter of timing, how long do we stay up here? I think we’re already up here longer than most anybody thought. And the other thing is, nobody got this market right. Some people got in at a buck 25. Those guys sold at a buck 40. They said, “I’m gonna take my 15, 20 cents and run.” And they felt like a genius for about three days before we were quickly at a buck 60. And we’ve got this really interesting dynamic of no market participant really happy with it being up here because nobody really made money on the way up. And everybody convinced that, okay it’s on the clock for when it comes off. And I’m not even gonna disagree with that, right? I don’t think anybody would argue that long-term we’re gonna have $2.50 nonfat in 2028 or whatever. But this really comes down to a question of timing, and I think that’s where you get mixed opinions. But in general, I think most people are of the opinion that it’s not gonna be that long before this thing does start to fall. I don’t have that strong of an opinion actually, but what I do have an opinion on is if this doesn’t start falling soon, I think there’s gonna be people that are trying to make money on the short side of this thing because they didn’t make money on the long side, that they’re gonna start feeling some pain. And as our curve has come up a bit over the past month, we’ve got this really interesting market conditions where, again, if we’re up at these levels even a month from now, two months from now sure, I’d make the argument, why couldn’t you have another squeeze higher? Because there’s still not that much product available right now today. We’re starting to see that change. We saw some really nice volume on the CME spot auction just this morning. But that’s what the eyes are on is how long does this thing take? And if it starts this week versus six weeks from now, I think those have very different implications for how the market reacts. Josh White: We’ve got three different reactions to the nonfat market right now. You’ve got the true nonfat participants that need product now, and that’s priced in the $2.25-plus type range right now on the countryside. And to your point, we’re seeing a few more loads available which is a decent sign. The market participants seem pretty convinced that we’re gonna see an easing from this price, but so are futures. And I think that’s another important thing to point out is that the futures curve is inverted and it’s quite a bit lower than the spot price today. So, you can have both situations. You can have a spot price drop while the futures price maybe doesn’t as much. Over the past few days, the futures curve has definitely traded lower, confirming what we heard there is that most people don’t believe in this market being as tight as it is currently into the future. And we have to remember, this is traditionally a globally traded product and our competitors across the pond are still quite a bit lower and making a whole lot of skim milk powder today. So, I think longer term, if the assumption is that we need to compete globally for at least some business, particularly in markets like Asia, we’re gonna have to be a little bit more aggressive to compete, but futures are saying we will be. Another important topic was now we’re starting to see an acceleration of the NDPSR price now that we’ve had several months of higher spot prices, and that’s starting to have an impact on markets other than just the powder market. And I think maybe, Gus, you would have a little bit more to say about how the market’s reacting to some of the component prices moving higher in the solids nonfat side of things. Gus Jacoby: The situation as we’ve talked about in the past is protein is being pulled in a lot of different directions and we don’t see that demand going away anytime soon. The one comment I would make though is your isolated protein, certainly UF milk in fluid form, are seeing some of the highest demand that we’ve seen in a very long time. So, if you’re cheese maker, if you wanna fortify, and certainly on higher butterfat milk, there’s plenty of folks that wanna fortify right now, there’s probably a little bit of a pull on all the skim solids at this moment in time. I don’t think that story has changed. We’ve beaten that up for a while. But that’s certainly gonna pull a fair amount of milk out of the dryer for nonfat. You look at where the capacity has been added, whether it be in the Southwest with all the large cheese plants that have been added there, and then Upstate New York where some dryers are also gonna sit idle as some new processing capacity comes on there. That’s two areas of the country that are gonna get a lot less milk into the nonfat dryers than previous. And certainly here we are now in the flush as these plants ramp up, it would typically be your highest powder production timeframe, and instead those solids are going elsewhere, and that will keep nonfat production down for the foreseeable future. Ted Jacoby III: Gus, are you seeing milk move towards Class IV plants instead of Class III plants this year? Gus Jacoby: We still see fortification solids during this flush finding its way into cheese plants. But that’s your surplus skim solids that might exist, and those are only available, I believe, because of the flush. Now, it’s not UF milk, right? UF milk tends to be going elsewhere whether it be going to some sort of IV or II-type arrangement, whether it be a high-protein beverage or a high-protein dry product. But you are still seeing a fair amount of condensed and other skim solids going to the cheese vat for fortification purposes. I think the way that will unfold likely is that those surplus skim solids that aren’t being turned into isolated protein products, they’re gonna probably get pulled out to a certain degree of the cheese plants, and then cheese plants will just not be able to utilize fortification as they are typically used to or would like as we move through the year. Ted Jacoby III: So, what you’re saying is if the price stays up here, the milk that is going into the dryers making nonfat will continue to do so longer than usual, and they won’t lose the flush-specific skim solids? Gus Jacoby: I don’t know if I’d agree with that, Ted. I think the flush, no matter where you’re at in the country, the surplus solids find its way to the dryer typically. And as we come out of the flush, certainly less solids everywhere will go toward the nonfat dryer, just as it always does during those seasonality changes and we come out of the spring. It’s just that the areas I talked about, Southwest and Northeast, they’re not getting near as much as they used to in the flush, and so overall that production is going to be missed upon the market. Ted Jacoby III: Do you sense any kind of competition right now between Class III and Class IV for the surplus milk, or is it just following its usual path? Gus Jacoby: There’s some surplus condensed solids going to cheese plants that if a better price could be had into a powder plant, it would go there. Ted Jacoby III: Okay. Gus Jacoby: And that’s happening predominantly in the upper Midwest, and maybe a little bit in other areas. But certainly if you’re gonna get a higher return going into cheese than you could going into powder, you’re gonna go after it right now. And that’s where the demand I would say is. But surplus is surplus, and you’re gonna sell it to the highest return you can. Ted Jacoby III: Okay. That sounds good. Joe, anything to add on the nonfat side? Joe Maixner: Any milk that is making it to dryers, they’re prioritizing the milk to try to get into the milk protein concentrate (MPC) sector or milk protein isolate (MPI) as opposed to nonfat because the return is better. Ted Jacoby III: Makes sense to me. Joe, Josh, are we seeing MPC prices rise faster than nonfat right now? Josh White: Yeah, no, it has to be faster than nonfat because basis is appreciating. You’ve got an MPC market that likes to trade on a multiple of nonfat, and that has appreciated. That has continued to increase. Now, again, I noted earlier we got an inverted forward curve, which means that basis can be going up and price could stay the same or even go down the second part of the year. So, that’s the dichotomy we’re dealing with right now, is that from a cost basis, it looks like it could be pretty okay the rest of the year. And if there’s dry time available, you would think you’re gonna maximize that MPC. And when compared to whey protein concentrate (WPC) prices, MPC 85 is a bargain. But again, not everyone can easily substitute between the two, and that takes some time for the market to figure out which market participants may be able to switch between WPCs and MPCs, may take a little time for them to make that switch. Ted Jacoby III: So, I just wanna clarify for the audience. There’s two different ways we can look at it. If we’re selling it forward into the second half of the year, from a market perspective, we may be selling it for a lower price because the futures curve is a lot lower than the cash price is today. But if we’re selling MPC or nonfat today, you’re telling me that the nonfat price has effectively doubled in the last three months, and the MPC price has more than doubled because not only has its basis doubled based on the nonfat market, but the overage above that has also gone up. Josh, you’re on mute. Josh White: I thought you said clarify for the audience, so I didn’t realize it was a question for me. Ted Jacoby III: Oh the answer is yes. That’s exactly what’s happening. Josh White: Yes. Nailed it. Ted Jacoby III: All right. So, basically what we’re saying is skim solids and protein are in high demand. That’s loud and clear. [Center commercial] Ted Jacoby III: Mike, what about from a federal order perspective, how this all feeds through the federal order? Obviously, since it’s a higher market right now, Class IV is what’s driving Class I prices. Obviously, it drives Class II prices. Is there anything else that kind of shifts around in a market like this? Mike Brown: There’s a couple things. First of all, a lot of your Class IV production is co-op owned. And what we’re seeing is depooling in Class IV, and to some degree Class II where it’s possible. So, rather than to go into the pool and get a blend price that’s below your class price, they’re electing to depool, just like we saw with cheese last fall when it was much higher than butter powder. We’re seeing some of that. But if you’re pooled, you’re ambivalent because you’re gonna pull the pool draw out anyway, and it’s not gonna make a lot of difference. It’s markets like the Southwest where a lot of that milk is never pooled or rarely pooled, and even in the eastern part of Kansas, changes in central order, you less have to pool it because the differential is so much wider now from Kansas City than it used to be. You may see more activity as you watch pool decisions being made since last June when the changes, people are getting a lot better at predicting whether or not they should be involved with the pool or not because it’s getting easier to predict because behavior is more what you’d expect. So, from my point of view, it has some effect, certainly, and if you’re trying to maximize a return to your owners and you have a plant with capacity and you get a higher value product, you’re gonna try to run the milk through that plant. Second part of that, of course, if you already have obligations, and some of these new cheese plants have supply obligations, they’re gonna get their milk regardless of the shift in price. So, it has less effect than you might think, but there is still effect, particularly if you’re having to pool your IV. There’s certainly a lot of IV being depooled right now. Production isn’t much lower. It’s just regionally shifted some, a lot more in the West Coast right now than in the Southwest. The orders kinda mute what would be the normal market decision to maximize return on milk for a producer because if you’re gonna blend it anyway, you don’t have the incentive that you do if you don’t. That said, right now, Class III guys, they’re pooled. The other part of this III-IV spread is, of course, what is the value of those solids into those cheese plants? I’m working on that today, Ted, trying to figure out how much does the high-WPC80 and WPI market bring to the value of buying outside Class IV solids to justify the price? Just on the price of cheese, I got some numbers here in front of me, you’re looking at on a per-pound cheese yield basis, if you buy powder in the powder market right now, it’s 25 to 40 cents more per pound cheese yield than it would be if you’re getting it from Class III. Mike Brown: You better either have a great margin or you’re really hitting up the whey market, and I’m gonna figure out exactly what that is. But that decision isn’t just a cheese decision, particularly with whey protein so high. There is a value of that nonfat dry milk whey protein that in the past didn’t matter as much as it does now. So, it may make that slightly more attractive or less unattractive than it would’ve in the past because your whey returns are so high on that protein compared to what they have been historically. So, it’s complicated, but it’s not just the value in cheese. It’s the value in cheese and in whatever your plant can make for whey. If you can make WPC80, you can pay more for those nonfat solids, obviously, than you can if you don’t. Ted Jacoby III: So to clarify, usually when you ship fluid into a Class III plant, you pay the Class III solids price. Mike Brown: That’s correct. Ted Jacoby III: If you use powder, you’re gonna have to pay whatever the prevailing nonfat price is. And most everybody running a cheese plant right now would really like their skim solids in fluid form so they can pay those Class III values instead of the Class IV values. Mike Brown: Oh, absolutely. But if they’ve got excess fat, and a lot of our American-style cheese plants now do have excess fat, what’s your market for that fat, and does it make sense to pay a little more for that protein from the Class IV side so that I can get a better price for that fat? Although we all know multiples this year aren’t near as horrible as they were a year ago. Yeah. So it’s a little better market. If you’re gonna get right down to dollars and cents, really you gotta look at your whole product mix out of your cheese plant and figure out what can you really afford to pay for those solids . And plus the opportunity of running your plant more full. What’s your fixed cost savings by running more product through your plant even if the cost is a little higher? Ted Jacoby III: Speaking of butterfat, Joe, this butter market just feels like it’s gone a lot lower than we expected it to go. Joe Maixner: Yeah, it’s weak. Cream’s not sloppy. It sure doesn’t seem like it’s super long in the market. But there’s still plenty of butter being made, and I think that this market’s also pricing in the fact that we’re anticipating that export reports are gonna decrease in the amount of butter that will get out monthly moving forward until this Middle East conflict gets resolved. And we’re basically peak flush through east of the Rockies, so this is the highest production point we’re gonna see through the rest of the year until we get past the holidays. Ted Jacoby III: Gus, are cream multiples poor right now as well? Gus Jacoby: We’re still on the flush, right? But they’re much, much tighter and higher than they were a year ago this time. It just goes to show that the additional churn capacity we’ve seen around the country and some better preparation by a lot of folks in dealing with excess butterfat has made this market a fair amount healthier when it comes to cream. Not near as sloppy as it was a year ago. Multiples have held at or better than even the year previous for flush times. So, I would imagine that what we’re gonna see here going forward is representative of this new marketplace. Ted Jacoby III: Josh, anything to say about the whey protein market? Josh White: Maybe some early signs of a market trying to figure out if it wants to continue on the trajectory it’s been on. WPC80, the general consensus out of ADPI is it remains tight. Seen a few extra spot loads trade this week though, so maybe some people were waiting for that information to let go of a little excess inventory or some incremental loads. WPI feels like it’s pretty stable. And the market came to the conclusion, I believe, during the ADPI conference, that, okay, it seems to be priced right. It doesn’t feel like WPI needs to go up at the moment. And we’ve definitely seen more offers since the show. Not ready to conclude that’s going lower because of where the WPC80 price is and how tight the WPC80 market is. So, those two have really converged at the moment, almost to a point that doesn’t make a lot of sense, the price spread between the two, so the market’s going to figure that out. So, yeah, that would be the only changes. Other than that, maybe just reiterating that we are constantly talking to new customers about new demand creation, and also outside of the traditional sports nutrition category, a lot of new CPG product launches and things like that are absolutely still in motion and consuming a lot of dry protein. Ted Jacoby III: Makes sense to me, and I would agree. And then, what I would say about cheese is it was easily the most boring market at the ADPI. I’d start by saying that. It feels like a market where a lot of people are complaining that the price isn’t low enough for them to get new sales on, but they also can’t find a ton of product out there. There is some spot product trading around, but there’s not massive quantities of it like you sometimes see in the height of the flush, which just makes me feel that right now the cheese market is in balance. In balance in a way that maybe we’re not getting a huge amount of additional export sales on the books, but we are continuing to export at a pretty high rate , especially considering there’s a lot of sales on the books that were put on the books earlier in the year that are gonna continue to ship. And it’s kept this market, this cheese market, I think, relatively well cleaned up considering we’re in the height of the flush. So, we don’t see a lot of movement going forward, at least in the next few months in cheese. You’re gonna trade in a 30 cent range, 20 cent range around where the current price is. That would be my take on the cheese market. All right. To all our listeners, I really appreciate you guys listening to us. I hope this information is helpful, and we look forward to talking to you soon. Take care. [Ending credits]

20 MIN

APR 15, 2026

Steady Markets, Shaky Ground

With Easter behind us, demand is easing, milk production is climbing, and the spring flush is here. But beneath the surface, the dairy complex is anything but comfortable. In the latest episode of The Milk Check, host Ted Jacoby III and the Jacoby team look at the fault lines hiding beneath today’s seemingly stable dairy market. In this episode, we cover: <ul class="wp-block-list"> <li>Why milk is getting longer, but not everywhere</li> <li>How added processing capacity is changing the spring flush</li> <li>Whether butter has found its floor, or is simply stuck</li> <li>Why energy may be the biggest wildcard in dairy right now</li> </ul> From regional milk balances to butter’s next move and the growing influence of energy costs, we look at what is really driving the dairy complex right now. To hear what could hold, what could crack and what the next few months may mean for dairy, listen to The Milk Check episode 97: Steady Markets, Shaky Ground. <h2 class="wp-block-heading">Got questions?</h2> We’d love to hear them. Submit below, and we might answer it on the show. <div class="wp-block-buttons is-layout-flex wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex"> <div class="wp-block-button"><a class="wp-block-button__link wp-element-button" href="https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=eRDVZfxajkWh7K5qOl4X3WIbMEBcVqdIgPXZ5NPFsw1URFhBTzg0QjM5VzdVTldSRDVHMTg3MlIyMC4u" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Ask The Milk Check</a></div> </div> <figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img decoding="async" width="857" height="199" src="https://www.jacoby.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/Screenshot-2026-04-15-at-5.44.37-PM.png" alt="" class="wp-image-3882" srcset="https://www.jacoby.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/Screenshot-2026-04-15-at-5.44.37-PM.png 857w, https://www.jacoby.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/Screenshot-2026-04-15-at-5.44.37-PM-300x70.png 300w, https://www.jacoby.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/Screenshot-2026-04-15-at-5.44.37-PM-768x178.png 768w" sizes="(max-width: 857px) 100vw, 857px" /></figure> Ted Jacoby III: Coming up on the Milk Check. Joe Maixner: It’s really watching the energy markets because it’s going to affect literally everything. Ted Jacoby III: Welcome to the Milk Check from T.C. Jacoby and Company, your complete guide to dairy markets, from the milking parlor to the supermarket shelf. I’m Ted Jacoby. Let’s dive in. Today is April 6th, 2026. It’s the day after Easter. it’s also the birthday of a few illustrious people like Paul Rudd, Lando Calrissian, or actually Billy D. Williams and our own Joe Maixner, and we’re here to talk about dairy markets today. Sorry, Joe, and we’re here to talk about dairy markets today, and what we’re gonna be talking about is it’s the day after Easter and demand for the next oh five months or so tends to slow down a bit, while milk production tends to pick up and it’s peaking probably right as we speak, and over the course of the next four to five weeks. So, what does that mean for the dairy landscape? What does that mean for the price landscape? When I started thinking about what we were gonna talk about for this podcast, the market seemed to be in a lull right now. And then I realized it’s that time of the year. The question is, are they gonna stay here? Are they gonna go lower? We know that milk production is gonna continue to increase, especially in the Midwest, and we know that the next demand event of any significance is at least five to six months away. But where we’ll start is we’ll start with milk production. This is the time of year when things tend to get a little bit long. Gus, is milk long right now? Gus Jacoby: Depends what region of the U.S. you wanna talk about. From what I understand, there’s some areas of the West that are very long. The upper Midwest, when you have plants go down, it gets a bit ugly. But looking into the mid East, the Northeast, the Southeast, certainly the Southwest, where there’s quite a bit of new processing capacity, all these areas, are not all that long. It’s certainly the spring flush, but when you look at the Milk Production Report, you would think they would be a lot longer. And I think additional processing capacity in all these regions that we just discussed are where we’re a little bit shorter than we anticipated, considering what time of year it is. Ted Jacoby III: Usually, this time of year we’re hearing of milk moving at 2, 3, 4, $5 under. Is that happening this April? Gus Jacoby: There’s some spots in the upper Midwest where it gets that discounted, yes. But I would say that has more to do with plants being down in addition to the surplus that causes it to get that long. I think if everything is functioning in the region — in the upper Midwest, Mideast or anywhere on the Eastern corridor — you’re not seeing quite the growth that’s shown in the Milk Production Report. Anytime you see north of 2.5% or 3% in a Milk Production Report, usually that means the flush is a really ugly period of time. But in these regions of the country, we’ve added enough processing capacity to balance things out a bit more and not make it quite as long as you would think. Ted Jacoby III: So we didn’t really add any plants west of the Rocky Mountains. And in that case, the flush, especially in California, is probably already in the rear view mirror. Are we seeing milk really long in California and along the west coast right now? Gus Jacoby: I’ve heard that California, for a while there did get pretty long. That area hasn’t had the additional processing capacity outside of the Pasco facility to deal with the level of surplus we have in those regions. Ted Jacoby III: That means it’s fair to say that we’re in the flush right now, maybe past the flush out West Milk has gotten long, milk is plentiful, but we’ve added enough milk processing capacity that generally speaking, as long as there in, there are not any plant breakdowns. We seem to be able to handle the additional milk supply and we’re getting it all processed. Gus Jacoby: Yes, that’s the truth. Joe Maixner: The West has been running full for the past couple of months. But cream has not been super long. It’s been getting into the churns, but it’s also been finding homes elsewhere and it’s had decent demand. It’s been a little surprising that we haven’t had as excess of cream as we would’ve anticipated given how long milk has been. Ted Jacoby III: What about on the powder side? I’ve heard that the plants are not necessarily dumping any milk, but the plants are full enough that they can’t run anything specialty. So, all they’re running is straight up nonfat dry milk, which these days with protein component values in the milk the way they are, 38% protein, but they’re just running ’em flat out to get all that milk processed and dried. Is that a fair way to put it? Josh White: Yeah, I would say so. Ted Jacoby III: Okay. Milk’s getting processed. We’re making a lot of it, but Easter’s now in the rear view mirror. Since our runup, late January, early February, the cheese market seems to have settled into a price somewhere in the $1.60s, the butter market’s been $1.70s, $1.80s, it popped up over $2 and it seems to have faded since. Is it in its sweet spot yet, or where do you think the butter market will go over the next three to four months? Joe Maixner: I think there’s a lot of factors that go into where the butter market’s gonna price over the next few months. Obviously, we’ve got the macro events going on, the conflict in the Middle East, that’s pulled a lot of export opportunity out, as we’ve talked about at length in the past few podcasts. But there’s been a lot of product trading in this 15¢ to 20¢ range that we’ve been in over the past couple of weeks, and it seems that we’ve found a good range where buyers and sellers are happy to move product. There’s probably not much more downside potential at this price. But it’s a very real possibility that we could just stagnate here for the next few months until we see any type of real demand shift and production dies off into the summer. Ted Jacoby III: Are we gonna continue to be exporting butter? Joe Maixner: Yeah, absolutely. We’re still seeing exports move. Obviously we’ve lost some of our largest growth markets with this conflict, at least temporarily. But we’re still exporting to other regions, and all of those markets are growing. Will it be enough to offset the losses? I’m not sure, but we’re still moving product out of the country. Ted Jacoby III: The cheese export numbers have been phenomenal for about the last six months. We’ve been up over 30% year over year, almost to the extent of being a little bit surprising. Are we gonna be able to keep that up, do you think? Or is this market going to peter out a little bit ? Jacob Menge: You gotta suspect that you stop getting the blockbuster export numbers before too long because it has been two months now since we’ve come off of kind of those rock bottom prices that we were at. I think that will certainly take the top off of those export numbers. Cheese in general has probably been one of the quieter of the dairy markets, probably the quietest. It’s been sneaky though. There’s been these moments where it’s been hard to find product. There’s been moments where you can find product and I think it definitely is a tale of exactly what cheese you’re looking for. I don’t think colored cheddar has been particularly hard to come by. Meanwhile, white, for export has been pretty tough. All of that has resulted in this really nice gentle climb higher on cheese prices. We’re starting to see some cracks in the floor, especially internationally. We’re hearing mozz prices starting to get some pushback outta Europe. Those blockbuster export numbers on the cheese side are probably nearing an end. And if not then I think that’s gonna be the only thing that can keep driving the cheese price appreciably higher from where it’s at. If we can keep getting these pretty impressive numbers, sure, I don’t see why we couldn’t keeps stair stepping higher. Ted Jacoby III: Where the export numbers go, the price of cheese goes. Is that a fair way to put it? Jacob Menge: It certainly seems like an export driven market right now. Our opinion kinda long term is that’s U.S. cheese. This last year or so, maybe more 18 months, reflecting back on it, been the coming of age era for a serious export driven cheese price in the U.S. Historically, obviously export have played a factor, but it seems like that’s going to be the dominant force today and in the future. Ted Jacoby III: Yeah, I think I’d have to agree with that. And then there’s nonfat. Josh, this nonfat market, it sure went a lot higher than anybody expected. Even when it started to rally, we thought it could go up into the $1.50s, $1.60s, but I don’t think we expected the $1.90s. Is this market gonna stay here? Where does this market feel like it’s at today? And how does play out from here? Josh White: It’s still a tight market, Ted. Seems like there’s some commitments that are still behind. On the manufacturing level, it seems like demand’s been very strong. Let’s be clear, the West Coast is running a lot of nonfat right now, and it’s not changing the climate. Where we’re really seeing the vacancy in production is in the middle part of the country. It’s pretty well reported now. Everyone’s clueing in on this idea that there’s just been a lot of growth in the protein beverage market and in the UF space, and that seems to have kept a lid on our production growth for nonfat dry milk relative to the milk production growth and the protein growth that we’re experiencing in the milk. So yeah, it still remains pretty strong. There’s still good demand. Yeah, there’s a lot more conversations and we’re having a lot of conversations with customers across all the different industries that consume dairy products about what these higher prices mean. Are they real? Are they here to stay? If you look at the futures curve though, we’re way higher than that current futures price, and it’s an inverted curve, so we’re gonna have to pay a lot of attention to how that plays out, particularly as we get into these heavier milk production months, domestically and in Europe. But to be clear, there’s a lot of milk; that milk’s being processed into a lot of products; but in the U.S. side, we’re not seeing huge nonfat increases. I think across the pond though, they’re making a lot more skim milk powder, and they’re the beneficiaries of this tight market right now. Clearing a lot of that product into the international clients that, historically may have been looking to the U.S. as well. Ted Jacoby III: Do you think that means we’re gonna be export handicapped for the next three to four months that might just weaken the demand side of the equation for U.S. nonfat? Josh White: Yeah. The trade’s not as free as we all hope and expect it to be, and what I mean by that is there’s barriers to entry for bringing, like European product into Mexico. Approved brands across the world that might make it more difficult to exchange one supplier for another. But I think the answer to your question, the longer we maintain this type of premium, the less likely we are to export into some contestable markets. And it’s really tough when you’re talking about managing supply chain over the course of a year to get that right. There’s a real possibility that, we could miss some business that we wished we had later in the year. But, as it stands right now, it’s not like we’re sitting on a lot of extra product to move. Ted Jacoby III: So, when we look to the next, 1, 2, 3 months, things are tight enough. The nonfat market’s still coming from a place of overcommitment and then still trying to work through that. And there’s No reason to think that we’re gonna be trading nonfat in the $1.20s by Memorial Day. Josh White: No reason to think that. I think that we’re putting ourselves in a position where now’s the moment where we can take a little bit of the pressure off the market. We’re starting to see a little bit more seasonal milk in the middle part of the country. Nothing compared to what we saw a year ago going through the dryers, but we are starting to see maybe some signs of some relief. Ted Jacoby III: Proteins is the other market that seems to be shooting for the moon, up there with Artemis II. Are those protein prices gonna stay there or are they gonna come down? Josh White: Pointed question. Not for the second quarter, it sure doesn’t feel like they’re coming down. Every spot load that I see offered trades almost in the air. There still seems to be really good demand despite higher prices. And also despite a lot of customers asking about substitution. The answer to that question is maybe different for the next quarter than it might be for the next year. We’ll have to see. But as it stands right now as it relates to whey proteins, no slowdown in demand. Price strength remains, loads are very expensive. Conversations are less about the willingness to buy product than they are about the credit worthiness to sell that product to the clients because of just how expensive a load of WPC 80 or WPI cost today. We’re also starting to see some momentum in the MPC markets. Shouldn’t be a surprise. MPC 85 prices have been increasing. We’re starting to see customers that have the flexibility to do some substitution between WPCs and MPCs, considering it. More conversations about alternatives within the dairy complex like caseins and caseinate. But then, I have to imagine there’s also conversations happening about substitution outside of the dairy complex for plant proteins and alternative proteins. It’s a challenging market. Certainly a good sign that the consumer, particularly in the U.S. is paying a lot of attention not to just wanting more protein in their diet, but also the quality of the protein that they’re consuming. And it’ll be really interesting over the next year to see that tug of war: the valorization of high-quality, highly digestible dairy proteins, versus cheaper proteins going into certain applications and how the consumer responds to those economies. Ted Jacoby III: What’s the one product in the dairy complex right now that you’re really worried about? Because right now we just went through all the major commodities and there seems to be at least stability in the short term. Which one do you think breaks first in terms of price? What market should we be paying attention to if this dairy complex is gonna start to weaken on us? Jacob Menge: I’m paying most attention to butter right now, because I think the butter price has made these kind of violent moves. Not nonfat, violent, but more like consistently trending lower all last year. And then it’s made a pretty good recovery with that new crop, old crop switch. And then it’s trended lower from there. I think that’s important because that’s gonna have a big impact on that Class III, Class IV spread. And I think that Class III, Class IV spread is gonna ultimately drive some decisions at the fluid level, which is gonna have knock on effects for export markets, not just for butter, right? This is for all of these products. Because of that butter price , I think the math can be swayed one way or the other depending on where that goes. We have these kind of baked in assumptions on, okay, nonfat’s probably not staying at $2 through 2026, okay. We have some baked in assumptions on cheese. I think that means that decision maker is butter. And would anybody be shocked if it went up 50¢? Probably not. Would anybody be shocked if it went down another 10¢ or so? Probably not. I think you certainly would have debates around this, but that changes that Class III, Class IV spread enough that I think that has a lot of knock on effects. Ted Jacoby III: That makes a lot of sense. Josh, what about you? Which market are you paying attention to the most? Josh White: I would just say just the market. I think nonfat’s the obvious answer to that, but our entire dairy markets have been really changed this year by this protein movement. And what I can’t get my head around is the GLP-1 and cheaper GLP-1 catalyst. At what moment does a hundred dollars to fill a gas tank on a sedan start to change what people are willing to spend? That’s the one that I can’t really get my head around because it would be very easy to say, “Look out: these high protein products are here to stay.” The science backs it; people are eating less calories, but better calories. And that absolutely works for dairy proteins. But then on the other side, when you’re forced to make a decision about how you spend your money are you gonna get to a point where it’s choosing whether or not to fill your gas tank or whether or not to buy the powdered isolate. I wonder if we find that threshold at some moment this year. Ted Jacoby III: Yeah, I think that’s a great answer. Which market do you think is affecting the dairy markets the most right now? It’s the gas market. I think that’s fair. Joe, how about you? Joe Maixner: I’m clearly watching butter for obvious reasons. But I echo what Josh is saying. It’s really watching the energy markets because it’s going to affect literally everything over the course of this year. Jake brought up a great point about the Class III, Class IV spread, though. With the strength in nonfat, I hadn’t given a whole lot of thought process to butter’s impact in Class IV because you’re seeing Class IV through the rest of the year and into 27 at a minimum in the mid eighteens level which is a dollar premium to Class III, even with an inverted nonfat market. That’s definitely one to keep an eye on as well. But again, as a whole, just energy, energy’s going to affect everything all the way down to the consumer level. Ted Jacoby III: Yeah, I guess I agree. Gus, what are your thoughts on this market? Gus Jacoby: It’s hard not to talk about energy right now. That’s pretty obvious. Certainly when you’re hauling milk it has a big impact. Those fuel surcharges, hiking up to the degree that they have has made hauling milk quite a bit more expensive, considering the amount of water that’s being hauled and how much more expensive it is.  That is something we can’t control. None of these markets are anything we can control. But when it comes to the dairy markets, I think the skim solids is something that has been very interesting to me. Gus Jacoby: How tight that market gets, the limitation that cheese has in getting fortification solids, are we gonna start turning to powder to fortify, and can cheese plants afford it with the Class III, Class IV spread as we shift, obviously with this protein demand continuing to increase and all the other areas that skin solids are required. I think it’s going to have a ripple effect on our industry that’s gonna take a while for us to get used to as skim continues to, find more and more demand. So, for me, it’s an interesting marketplace and I’ve been paying a lot of attention to that lately. Ted Jacoby III: Sounds good. Awesome. Thanks guys very much. I thought that was a nice summary of what’s going on in our markets right now. We’ll see how the next few months play out. Appreciate the time. Thanks for joining us today, and everybody stay safe out there.

19 MIN

APR 2, 2026

A Logistics Expert on the Iran Conflict and Dairy Trade

Weeks into the Iran conflict, the disruption to dairy logistics is becoming more visible. Shipping dairy to the Middle East used to take 30 to 40 days. Now it can take 60 to 75. And the longer this conflict lasts, the more pressure it puts on the dairy trade. In this episode of The Milk Check, host Ted Jacoby III talks with our logistics expert, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerjokerst/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Tyler Jokerst</a>, Director of Trade Operations, about what all this means for dairy producers, traders and exporters. In this episode, we cover: <ul class="wp-block-list"> <li>Why Persian Gulf access remains severely limited, and how exporters are responding</li> <li>How normal 30- to 40-day transit times can stretch to 60 to 75 days</li> <li>Why alternate routes are creating new choke points</li> <li>How higher oil prices are raising shipping and trucking costs</li> <li>Why fertilizer, feed costs and food inflation are becoming part of the conversation</li> <li>How delayed demand, product displacement and global economic stress could bring more dairy market volatility</li> </ul> Listen to The Milk Check episode 096: A Logistics Expert on the Iran Conflict and Dairy Trade. <h2 class="wp-block-heading">Got questions?</h2> We’d love to hear them. Submit below, and we might answer it on the show. <div class="wp-block-buttons is-layout-flex wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex"> <div class="wp-block-button"><a class="wp-block-button__link wp-element-button">Ask The Milk Check</a></div> </div> <figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img decoding="async" width="759" height="182" src="https://www.jacoby.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/The-milk-check-096.png" alt="" class="wp-image-3878" srcset="https://www.jacoby.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/The-milk-check-096.png 759w, https://www.jacoby.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/The-milk-check-096-300x72.png 300w" sizes="(max-width: 759px) 100vw, 759px" /></figure> Ted Jacoby III: Coming up on The Milk Check. Tyler Jokerst: As this thing progresses, it could prolong it. Ted Jacoby III: 30 to 40 days of shipping from the East Coast to the Middle East is now 60 to 75. Welcome to The Milk Check from T.C. Jacoby and Company, your complete guide to dairy markets, from the milking parlor to the supermarket shelf. I’m Ted Jacoby. Let’s dive in. Ted Jacoby III: Today, we have a special guest, Tyler Jokerst, our Director of Trade Operations, and we’re asking Tyler to join us ’cause we thought it would be a pretty timely topic to discuss logistics, both international and domestic. With everything going on in the Middle East, how is that affecting logistics, in terms of global trade for dairy, especially important for U.S. dairy, considering the fact that we’re exporting over 20% of our milk production these days? But it’s also affecting us domestically. Gas prices are probably up over 30% at this point, which is going to affect costs when we’re getting all the dairy products we make to consumers here at home. So, Tyler, welcome and thanks for joining us. Tyler Jokerst: Thanks for having me, Ted. Ted Jacoby III: Tyler, what is going on in the Middle East? How is it affecting logistics? Are we going to be able to get container ships into the Persian Gulf anytime soon? And if not, what are we doing in response to that? Tyler Jokerst: I think the easy answer is: we don’t know, other than there is a war over there. That’s the biggest thing right now causing the impact, and the huge leverage point Iran has is the Strait of Hormuz. For that strait, there’s a lot of product that goes in and out of there. Primarily oil, but, yeah, a big part of that is containerized shipments, as well. As we all know, the Middle East is a big purchaser of dairy products as well, right now. And we’re seeing a lot of disruption there as far as what we can get in or out of there. It’s almost come to a virtual stop. Ted Jacoby III: So, they can’t get into the Persian Gulf. Are there other options? Tyler Jokerst: Tomorrow, there might not be. That’s the situation we’re in right now. Every day is a day-to-day situation. The current workarounds are what the steamship lines are calling landbridges. So, essentially, you’re porting into ports on the other side of Saudi Arabia, where you’re not going into the Persian Gulf, and they’re either working on truck or train routes. It can get across, over to Riyadh or Dammam. Ted Jacoby III: So, Dammam is the main container port for Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf. What’s the port in the Red Sea that we’re using now instead? Tyler Jokerst: King Abdullah is one of ’em. If you go further north, where you’re getting into Jordan, you have Jeddah as well. So, there are a couple of different options there. I think the biggest issue that poses is you’re putting a lot of stress on infrastructure that maybe wasn’t built to handle that much volume coming through. This is another ripple effect we’re keeping an eye on, and we’re staying close with our freight forwarders and our steamship lines to see if we’re gonna have any ripple effects as far as boats that are anchoring offshore and waiting to get checked. If you were to look at it right now, you’re looking at a miniature effect of what COVID was like in LA back in 2020, when you had numerous boats anchoring offshore, waiting to get offloaded, because you’re at a choke point, trying to put all that supply into one port. So, it’s unfolding as we go through this day by day. Ted Jacoby III: So, I take it, there’s a traffic jam going into Jeddah and King Abdullah at [00:03:00] the moment? Tyler Jokerst: Just a little bit. Ted Jacoby III: What delays are we experiencing? Tyler Jokerst: If you were to look at the product on the water, we are currently looking at maybe 15 to 20 days in our current state. As this thing progresses, it’s gonna be up to the providers, the steamship lines and the freight forwarders and how they work with us to be able to dictate what new routes they need to take or what alternatives they need to make, as far as getting this product to those consumers. So, it could prolong it to where it’s a constant 20-day longer shipping period than what we’re used to seeing in those areas, which is typically anywhere from 30 to 40 days. Ted Jacoby III: 30 to 40 days of shipping from the East Coast to the Middle East is now 60 to 75. Tyler Jokerst: Yep. Absolutely. You’re right on that one. Ted Jacoby III: Are we still loading containers of cheese and powder and butter and other things and putting ’em on boats and sending ’em to the Middle East? Tyler Jokerst: Yeah. We are. One of the key things that we’re having to keep an eye on is per steamship line. So, if you’re working with freight forwarders, they work with numerous different steamship lines, and every steamship line handles it differently. And the main part of why they’re handling it differently is all related to the geopolitics. Some of the steamship lines are owned by Mediterranean companies, maybe in Italy. There are other steamship lines owned by companies in Israel. They’re probably not getting through the Strait. And then you have the Chinese and Korean-owned steamship lines that tend to have a little more leeway because they might be a little more neutral with Iran, where they might be allowed to pass.  It’s different with every carrier. So, whenever we look at this, and we assess the notes that we have to have with our freight forwarders, we have: who’s the service provider that we think we should be using, because that’s the one that tends to have the golden ticket in. Tyler Jokerst: And that’s where we have to balance out cost and service. They might have the golden ticket that can get them into the port. That’s gonna come at a price. They know the demand’s higher because, from a geopolitical standpoint, they can get in and they can get the job done where maybe the other providers can’t. You start peeling a lot more layers back than what you’ve historically had to, where you just look at a rate in a transit and say, “Okay, this works. We’ll communicate according to our customer and meet their demands.” Now, you’re dealing with a war. It’s unpredictable for those involved directly and indirectly, including us. And that’s where we have to weigh out additional options that are being thrown at us on a daily basis. That target is moving. We’ll come in tomorrow, and we’ll probably have a different set of rules that we need to follow for that day. Ted Jacoby III: But you bring up a good point. I never thought of it that way before. It’s like you can’t take Delta Air Lines into the Middle East because it’s American-owned, but you could probably take Emirates. Most big steamships are actually not owned by the U.S., and those steamship lines that have good relationships over there actually can still get product in. Tyler Jokerst:  I don’t think you get any airplanes into the Middle East right now, but yeah, from a steamship line standpoint, you can. Whenever I say they can pass through Hormuz, you went from several hundred ships going through the Strait of Hormuz in a day to now, single digits. So, that’s a loose thing where it’s allowed, but less risk of impact or targeting from an economic standpoint, whenever you’re going on [00:06:00] one ship versus the other, that’s the biggest thing to consider. Ted Jacoby III: How much have shipping costs increased? What was the going rate for a container into the Middle East from the East Coast, and what is it now? Tyler Jokerst: If you’re looking at door-to-door, or door-to- port, we were hovering around $ 8,000, all in, and now it’s looking more around $10,000, all in. Ted Jacoby III: Maybe 20%, 30% increase in shipping costs. But that’s not double or triple. Tyler Jokerst: Not yet. It could be by next week, though. Ted Jacoby III: Got it. Tyler Jokerst: Yep. Mike Brown: Tyler, when you have a select group of shipping companies you can work with, and you look at the 20%, 30%, that surprised me, it’s not higher. Do we see people deciding we’re just gonna lay low and not try to ship to that market for a while until we see things more stable because of the risk? Tyler Jokerst: I won’t name specific providers, but we do have some providers where when this thing started to kick off, they were already putting some plans together, and then by the following week, they decided that any of their refrigerated equipment they didn’t want going on that landbridge option that we were talking about earlier. So, you are seeing that as well, where they’re purely looking at it from an insurance standpoint. Insurance costs are going up a thousand x and saying, “Okay, the risk isn’t worth the reward right now,” because of how much insurance costs to go in there—Wartime, surcharges, things like that. And they’re completely staying out of the situation altogether and just rerouting their equipment. The bigger effect is that as this goes on, and there’s no improvement to the current situation, it will ripple into the rest of the markets, and you will start to see delays at other ports that maybe service these ports, as far as these types of trade lanes. And you’ll start to see some disruptions in the supply chain because people have to do something with that product that maybe they already sold. Reselling it might not be an option because the way the markets are right now, the pricing might not allow for that to happen, especially with dairy. If you’re getting a premium for exporting it versus selling it domestically, you’re gonna sit on it and wait this thing out. So, now you start to have backups in your supply chains at the origin ports, maybe the domestic warehousing, or even, in some cases, the manufacturing sites. So, there are a lot of effects that come from that. Ted Jacoby III: Tyler, I know that Europe has traditionally sold a lot more dairy into the Middle East than the U.S., even though the U.S. does do a decent amount of business there. They’re having the same problem we are in terms of getting to these ports, but are they capable of shipping product over the land? Let’s say across Istanbul, through Turkey and get there that way? Or are there too many issues with that approach? You’re going through Jordan, you’re going through Syria, you’re going through the Kurds. Territory. Tyler Jokerst: Israel’s dropping bombs north of the country as well. You’re not just looking at us dropping bombs in Iran and then Iran, throwing missiles across the water. You got Israel trying to take on a two-front war as well. I couldn’t see how a land option would be feasible. Ted Jacoby III: Yeah, I would have to agree with that. So, we know what’s going on in the Middle East. We know that it’s harder to get the product there right now. How’s it affecting us back home? Where are we seeing the effects [00:09:00] in logistics back home? Tyler Jokerst: Gas prices all day. I think barrels are currently sitting at around $95 a barrel. We’ve seen truck prices rise anywhere from 10 to 20%. It is a prolonged tightness in capacity, as well, but fuel has been a big factor as far as our domestic truckload goes, and the rates that we’re used to paying at this time of year. Ted Jacoby III: Outside of just increased cost because of increased diesel prices, are we seeing any other effects? What about the domestic ports? Are we seeing any backup at the domestic ports? Or are our ports still functioning normally, and it’s really only a fuel surcharge problem? Tyler Jokerst: Yeah. Our ports are operating functionally, as it stands. Those ripple effects will eventually hit us. They haven’t yet, but the longer this thing goes on, the more exposure that leaves to ports that are further away from the epicenter. Joe Maixner: Keep in mind, a lot of the stuff that is still shipping over into the Middle East is contracts that were put on the books before any of this started. We haven’t seen much interest on anything since the beginning of March going into that region, for obvious reasons. Ted Jacoby III: So, we’re not seeing any new contracts, but we’re still having conversations with our customers about how to fulfill the contracts that were on the books that were expected to ship at this time before the conflict started. Joe Maixner: Yeah. I think there’s going to be some pent-up demand the longer that this goes on. It’s gonna cause a pop in markets when this finally gets resolved because everybody’s gonna see that demand come back. Especially given the fact that the longer this goes on, the more potential for our markets to weaken because we’re not getting additional sales on the books and product out. So we could see a quick pop when things really do open back up. I do think it would take a while for that stuff to even roll through the system because there’s gonna be a backlog in ports and products still needing to ship anyway. So, expect more volatility. Tyler Jokerst: We’re currently going through an annual slowdown, too, in the Middle East. I think it’s Eid al-Fitr that’s going on right now during Ramadan. So, a lot of the buildup in exports is prior to that, with them trying to get all the product over there.  Just looking at last year, before we had any major geopolitical events happening, aside from tariffs, we would typically see a slowdown this time of year going into that region.  That’s a good point. Diego, what are your thoughts? Diego Carvallo: I know that energy is hugely affected by the Hormuz channel being blocked. But is food impacted as much as energy? I think the answer is no. I think most of the destinations where we take our dairy products are both from the U.S. and from Europe. At least access has not been blocked as bad as it has happened for exports of energy. So I’m just wondering if that impact on dairy is mainly caused by energy or just because it’s impacting fundamentals for our products. Ted Jacoby III: I know that Dammam is the big port in the Gulf for container ships. It’s a big oil port too, but there’s a separate container port, and then Bahrain and Qatar and even Dubai have their own ports. But then, Saudi [00:12:00] Arabia in particular has Jeddah and King Abdullah. And so, those two ports have taken over in the meantime. Tyler’s comment about Ramadan being in the rearview mirror is appropriate. This is the slowdown time with demand. And so we probably aren’t feeling the effect as much. I also think, from an energy perspective, the closing of the Strait of Hormuz is affecting other countries, like China, a lot more than it’s affecting the U.S. because we have, over the last 20 years, grown more energy independent because of the shale and fracking we’ve been doing domestically. And I think that has helped quite a bit. Joe Maixner: Oceania is at a severe disadvantage with this right now, too. I was looking at their energy prices and their diesel costs in Australia, for example. It’s the equivalent of $8.20 a gallon in U.S. terms. They’re really feeling the pinch, and I believe that New Zealand’s in the same boat, and that’s going to affect their shipping rates. Ted Jacoby III: All these huge container ships, what is their fuel? Diesel? Tyler Jokerst: Yeah. Ted Jacoby III: So, it’s just like trucks. They just buy a lot of diesel. So, if they’re dropping off in Australia, they’ve gotta fill up in Australia, where that oil costs a lot more than it does in other places. Mike Brown: I think this is all walking around the macro effects, and I think we need to talk about that. Let’s talk about the cost of producing food with what we’re doing to the urea, the nitrogen fertilizer markets, with the cutoff of moving product through the strait. Yes, a lot of it’s already bought; it isn’t all already bought. Between that and what we’re seeing with tariffs in Canada and their struggles with potash, we’re raising the cost of growing food because cows eat food just like we eat food. So, there are costs there that I think we have to think about. The other thing is these, particularly the Asian or even European, but Asia, ’cause that’s our export opportunities, those economies are so dependent on oil coming through the strait. And as those economies slow down, they tend to be much more price-sensitive about products than we are because they don’t have the incomes we have. Is that gonna slow down? Is that gonna cause a longer-term impact? If we see the world economy basically slow down, what will that do to dairy demand? Dairy is essential, but it is something cost-wise that they may be looking for other alternatives, particularly on the fat side. We can’t ignore that possibility. Right now, it looks good. Look at the butter market, today it recovered a little bit again. Prices, right now, for farmers are good. They can make money in current markets. But how much global slowdown will we see from this, and how will that affect demand for our U.S. dairy products, is still a concern of mine. Ted Jacoby III: We’re sitting here at the tail end of March. If this thing doesn’t show real signs of starting to wrap up in the next few weeks, I think there’s gonna be a tone shift in the general macroeconomic markets. There’s been a lot of talk: how is the U.S., and how is Trump gonna extract ourselves from this conflict? And we’re getting to that point where the length of time is becoming a very real issue. We haven’t quite got there, I don’t think. But I think we’re getting close. Mike Brown: Those of us who lived through stagflation in the late seventies, [00:15:00] it’s feeling a little bit too much like that right now. Ted Jacoby III: I would agree. In the seventies, gas prices caused it. Mike Brown: Oh, absolutely. And it was the conflict with Iran that caused some of that, too. Ted Jacoby III: Yeah. I think that the economy had already been set up for stagflation for other reasons, government debt being the big one, but you add this to it, yeah, you’re right. That’s very problematic in terms of getting the economy to function smoothly. Mike Brown: Government debt isn’t exactly our strong point right now. Ted Jacoby III: The only saving grace is that everybody has the same problem. You look at any developed country, and they’ve all got the same problem we do when it comes to government debt. Mike Brown: Yeah, they do. And if you’re looking at our export opportunities, that isn’t necessarily a good thing. There’s a lot to be nervous about right now. Tyler Jokerst: If you tie it back to dairy exports, the Middle East accounts for like 20% of all dairy exports in the world. They consume a lot of cheese. That seems to be a growing sector for ’em as well. For us, that hurts the bottom line. So it seems to be one of the biggest issues for us as a handler of dairy products. Mike Brown: One of the conversations at U.S. Dairy Export Council meetings this week was displacement. If the product can’t get there, who’s gonna buy it? That’s more competition for us because that’s the close-by market for Europe. They love it. It’s close, it’s efficient, but if they can’t get the product there, we’re gonna compete with them somewhere else. Ted Jacoby III: When it comes to cheese and butter, Mike, you’re spot on. We’re getting lucky on the non-fat side because Iran was a skim milk powder exporter. And that’s off the market, too. Mike Brown: If you look at prices powder’s not having a problem with finding demand. Ted Jacoby III: They aren’t. Mike Brown: A lot in supply. Ted Jacoby III: [Laughter] Tyler Jokerst: Alright. Tristan Suellentrop: We’ve all dealt with shipment delays before, but what’s the most absurd reason you’ve ever seen or heard of one being held up for? Tyler Jokerst: Oh, shipment delays. Yeah, the worst one I had wasn’t at Jacoby; we seemed to have it dialed in here. The worst one was from my previous employer. We hit a trans shipment point. Transshipment points are where you’ll have the steamship lines connect with another boat, and they’ll offload some of their containers to the other boat and continue. And it was something like a 40-day delay of just getting it from one boat to another that severely hurt us. This is one that we’ve had. During 2020, there were plenty of ’em. You looked at the ports of LA and Long Beach, and it could be 30-40 days. And these boats were just anchored off the shore and waiting to get offloaded. But because of all the causes and effects that we had with COVID, you ran into a lot of delays from that. That was a regular occurrence back in 2020 and 2021. Ted Jacoby III: Tyler, thanks for joining us. Really appreciate it. Great discussion. So thankful that you’re helping us navigate all this stuff in these very interesting times.  Thanks, everybody, for joining us today.

19 MIN

MAR 10, 2026

The Strait of Hormuz: What the Iran Conflict Means for Dairy Trade

What happens to dairy markets when one of the world’s busiest shipping lanes suddenly gets disrupted? With the Strait of Hormuz under pressure and trade routes across the Persian Gulf in question, exporters are scrambling to figure out how to move product. What does all this mean for global dairy demand? In this episode of The Milk Check, host Ted Jacoby III sits down with the Jacoby trading team to talk through what happens when geopolitics collides with global dairy trade. We dig into: <ul class="wp-block-list"> <li>How exporters may reroute product through alternate ports like Jeddah</li> <li>Why trade flows could shift between the U.S., Europe, Oceania and Southeast Asia</li> <li>How energy prices and freight disruptions could ripple through dairy markets</li> <li>Whether this disruption boosts demand in the short term or destroys it if it drags on</li> </ul> Find out how one shipping lane could reshape the global dairy trade. 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The Strait of Hormuz is closed. The port of Dammam is closed. Joe Maixner: There’s definitely product that’s stuck, can’t get to its destination. Ted Jacoby III: Welcome to the Milk Check from T.C. Jacoby and Company, your complete guide to dairy markets, from the milking parlor to the supermarket shelf. I’m Ted Jacoby. Let’s dive in. Today we’re gonna talk about what’s going on in the dairy market, specifically global trade. We’re recording this on March 6th, 2026, and seven days ago the U.S. bombed Iran.  As we [00:00:30] speak, the Strait of Hormuz is closed. The port of Dammam is closed, and trade flows are getting rearranged as we speak. Today with me, we have Joe Maixner, head of our butter trading book. We have Josh White, we have Diego Carvallo, and we have Mike Brown. And we thought it would be appropriate to discuss what’s going on in the Middle East, specifically how it’s affecting the dairy industry, and what its short-term and long-term effects will be on dairy demand. We’re gonna start with Joe. Joe, what are you hearing out there right [00:01:00] now? Joe Maixner: There’s definitely product that’s stuck, can’t get to its destination. Both going into Port of Dammam and other Middle Eastern ports for that matter. With butter’s moves over the past year, the Middle East market had been probably the largest growth opportunity for us in global exports for butter. Fortunately, this all happened after the rush for Ramadan to get everything in. So, I would say that it’s not as bad as it could be right now, but there is certainly product that’s stuck on the water looking for [00:01:30] alternative options to get to land. And there’s quite a bit of product that still is waiting to leave the U.S. that we’re not quite sure if and when it will actually leave. A lot of it’s still up in the air. Nobody really knows, what to do yet. I think it’s still too early to tell. Nothing’s been canceled per se, but the longer that this drags on, we’re certainly going to have some effects from it. Ted Jacoby III: There’s a lot of talk that maybe this war is gonna be a five to six week war. If the Strait of Hormuz is closed for five to six weeks, as is the [00:02:00] Port of Dammam, is that enough to cancel orders? Is that too long? Joe Maixner: I would say it should probably cancel some orders. I wouldn’t say it would cancel everything, but they’re gonna have to get product at some point from somewhere, They can’t completely stop. People are gonna have to eat. Production will still have to continue, and they’re gonna have to source product from somebody. And if we can’t get it there, they’ll find it from somewhere else. Ted Jacoby III: I’m hearing that one of the things that they’re exploring is shipping into Jeddah, which if you look at a map of the Middle East, Dammam is in the Persian Gulf on [00:02:30] one side of the peninsula. Jeddah is basically on the exact opposite side of Peninsula on the Red Sea. So they’re talking about shipping into Jeddah and then shipping it across the land to where it might need to go. The first thing that occurs to me is Dammam, I believe, is a bigger port than Jeddah. And so if you take all those container ships going into Dammam and send them to Jeddah instead, there’s not gonna be enough room to unload ’em all. And so, at the very least, the traffic’s gonna be pretty horrific. Are you guys hearing people working on that too? Joe Maixner: Yes, they’re looking at alternate ports of [00:03:00] entry and moving the product around. Jeddah is one. Casablanca is one. Going into Egypt is one. There are options. All of ’em are more expensive and it’s just gonna depend on how desperate the end user is to get the product. Josh White: We’ve got some experience dealing with trade disruptions over the past decade, and we tend to see the playbook similarly each time. And then when we talk about what’s specifically happened in our markets now, I think We can watch for some warning signs. Number one is in these type of situations, we start worrying about trade [00:03:30] flows, energy, freight, congestion, those type of things, all impacting markets and trade. Additionally, when we think about this conflict, there’s maybe three different scenarios to talk about. It’s very intense right now. Does that intensity continue for a very long time? What does that mean for our trade? It’s very intense right now for, but after, four to six weeks, maybe it continues on, but it’s more stable or consistent and the world learns how to trade around it. And then the third one is the one you [00:04:00] outlined earlier, which I think is a bit optimistic, usually these things don’t just go away that quickly, is that it’s over in a short amount of time. That’s the easiest one for us to project. That just creates a short-term concentration pent-up demand, pent-up shipments, and we just gotta work our way through that bubble. I think the middle one’s more likely. Not because I’m an expert on these things, but we’ve seen what happened in different conflicts in different situations. The middle one being it’s intense for a bit, then it becomes more consistent and normalized, and we just learn how to work [00:04:30] around it. What does that mean? And to me, that redirects trade flows. For instance, the U.S. has been very competitive in the Middle East for butter and cheese. It’s not the first time we’ve been competitive. We were competitive 15 years ago or so at a pretty good rate where we were an net exporter of butterfat, cheese I think we’ve been fairly consistent throughout, but it takes time to get there. Our biggest obstacle in doing business with that market versus Europe as a competitor, is the transit time. We inflate the freight rates, we increase transit [00:05:00] time, there’s concern of access to supply because of turbulence or stability, our price could be fine, and we could still miss some business because you have to buy now or you’ve gotta get product in now, or you just don’t have time to wait the, what, six weeks from order at minimum, probably more like a quarter, oftentimes, to get the product. That’s maybe our biggest obstacle right now is redirected trade lanes, not price. Joe Maixner: All of these trade disruptions create opportunity elsewhere. If our price comes off, [00:05:30] as it has, butter shot up earlier this week, it’s come back off here at the end of the week. It’s created opportunity for trade into other export markets. Where one door closes, another opens. Ted Jacoby III: How do you think those trade flows change? What comes, what goes, what are the changes that you think will happen? Let’s assume that the Persian Gulf is off limits for two or three months. What does that mean for dairy? Josh White: Lost demand, if it’s that long.  That’s lost demand. Now if we assume that we’re able to redirect product to [00:06:00] maintain the same demand, you’re gonna have trade lanes shift, right? What are the options? Ted Jacoby III: Let’s articulate this a little bit more for our listeners. When we’re talking about trade lanes shifting, right now there’s product on the water trying to head there that can’t. What’s gonna happen to those ships? That’s one. Two, there’s product that was sitting in the port about ready to ship. I think there were a lot of calls this week. I think we know of quite a few calls this week where they basically said, “Let’s sit on it. Let’s wait for this all to calm down before we actually ship it.” And three, [00:06:30] there’s product that maybe was scheduled to ship in a month or two. I think it’s fair to say, people probably have to figure out immediately what are they gonna do with the product that’s on the water right now. And I think the other two, they may be able to give it a little bit of time, decide whether or not they’re gonna cancel any orders and redirect it. Diego, the product that’s on the water right now, what do you expect happens to it? Diego Carvallo: Ted, I’ve been internally debating this for a while and even with the team. I think a few things are happening, but I don’t know which one has a bigger magnitude. Supply chains used to be very thin [00:07:00] for skim milk powder for the past year or two years. They are gonna have to build more inventory for those supply chains because product might take 60 days instead of 30 days to ship it. Product is gonna get stuck at the port of entry, port of shipment, in transit, et cetera. So, I think that bumps up demand artificially. Yeah. But there’s more product that’s gonna be stuck in the supply chain. That’s the first thing that comes to mind short-term, if this doesn’t continue to escalate. But if things continue to [00:07:30] escalate, and three weeks from now or a month from now, we’re still not being able to ship product to those destinations, product is gonna start backing up at ports of loading, right? So we’re gonna start hearing from the California manufacturers that they have a 100, 200 loads at port, and that prospects are not great for shipping, and that we should find new homes for that, right? I think if this gets solved the short-term, it’s positive for demand. It’s bullish market, but if it goes more long-term, you start killing demand, and you start needing to [00:08:00] find homes for additional product. But I know that everybody, at least on our team, has different takes on the whole situation. Ted Jacoby III: I would agree with that. I tend to lean to the side that, politically, the Trump administration can’t afford for this to go on too long, and the longer the strait is closed, the more political pressure they’re gonna have to resolve things. It’s realistic to consider that there’s a possibility that this thing goes on for a really long time, and that strait is closed for a really long time. Diego Carvallo: The second topic that I think we should talk a little bit about is what is a [00:08:30] psychological implication that this has on buyers? For example, on Chinese buyers who depend on products that go through that canal. That’s why I lean towards supply chains are gonna have to increase the amount of product they have, and end users are gonna change a little bit their procurement practices to increase their stocks. Yeah. Josh White: That happened post COVID, right? And didn’t last very long. Ted Jacoby III: I’d say it lasted two years. Josh White: But my point wasn’t that two years wasn’t a long time. It [00:09:00] was more of: they reverted back to the just-in-time model once things stabilized. Ted Jacoby III: Yes. That is a good point. I do agree with that. But you know what, even though they reverted back to the just-in-time model, two and a half months ago, prices were low enough that I think there were people trying to rebuild their stocks because they felt that prices were low enough to do that. I don’t know if they actually succeeded. My gut, based on what we’re hearing from customers right now, is they didn’t, but there was certainly a willingness to build back inventory levels if the price was right. In the [00:09:30] meantime, we’re dealing with disrupted trade flows. And so my second question for you guys is, we talk about disrupted trade flows, but let’s put some examples under that so our listeners understand what we’re talking about. How will these trade lanes shift? Where will product flows change? Will we see maybe more U.S. product going into Southeast Asia, more European product going into the Middle East, because perhaps they can put it on a truck and ship it through Istanbul by rail or by truck all the way there? I don’t know. Josh White: Yeah, I [00:10:00] think that’s a super good point, and it goes into what Diego said, which I don’t think is limited to nonfat, by the way, or milk powders. I think customers need to buy, and are used to getting what they need quite easily, and they’ve run their structural days in inventory down quite a bit to where that’s going to require people to buy from where they can get it quickly. This disruption has served as a bit of a catalyst to something I think was already materializing or happening. And now if you inflate freight rates a little bit more, that’s only gonna make it that [00:10:30] much more pronounced: that you need to buy from who’s close. New Zealand’s having a good back shoulder of their season, too, and I believe that there’s quite a bit of New Zealand product that is on its way or destined to go to the Middle East and North Africa. So when we think about what happens, I think everyone goes back to their closest trade partner. That takes the Oceana product to Asia. It takes the U.S. product, obviously, to Mexico. There’s at least some risk that European product was gonna come to Mexico. This is making that more difficult, I imagine, as [00:11:00] well. And I guess they’re gonna have to problem solve if that demand holds under the scenario we talked about earlier: that Europe’s got a lot of product right now. There’s a lot of milk, and they’re making a lot of everything. And thus far, it’s been okay because exports have been reported to be good. Maybe we’re talking about how this impacts the Americans, but I imagine that the impact might be a little bit more extreme for the Europeans. There’s another impact in there that I think Diego touched on. When you have commitments for product [00:11:30] and that product takes longer to get to you, and you’re running your supply chain thin, you reach out then and buy other product at a higher price, often, to fill your immediate demand. And once everything stabilizes, you actually are structurally oversupplied. We experienced that within recent history. Ted Jacoby III: Oh, absolutely. Josh White: And so that creates that air pocket in demand that will eventually arrive. We just don’t know when. Ted Jacoby III: What I imagine is, those boats that are on the water that were heading to Dammam when all this [00:12:00] started, they’re either parked right now, waiting to see if everything clears up, or they’re getting themselves rescheduled into Jeddah to try and figure out how to get there another way.  I would assume the product that hadn’t been loaded onto a ship yet is backing up at the port for a little while. How long do you think it takes? How long do we need to be watching this conflict continue to go on, watching the Strait of Hormuz continue to be closed, how long will it take before do you think they’ll start selling that product elsewhere? Canceling contracts and selling it elsewhere? A [00:12:30] month, two months? Because my gut tells me that’s when you really start seeing the market shift around. Right now, everybody’s just in a waiting period. Right now everybody’s just wondering if this thing’s gonna last a long time or a short time, and they don’t wanna overreact just for everything to clear up in the next week or two, even if the possibility is low. Josh White: Nonfat futures are inverted, so I would imagine, not very long at all, but I don’t think nonfat is the most impacted product here.  The curve on the butter futures has really flattened out as well. There’s not a long time window there either if we don’t put [00:13:00] a decent carry back in the market. Ted Jacoby III: So the market is already pricing in the possibility of this going on a long time, but the cash markets haven’t really fallen yet because there’s still hope. Maybe that’s a good way to put it. Josh White: It’s only been a week, one business week. That’s a big conclusion that our team had, earlier today, is that we came in Monday, following the announcement, and we’re like, okay, what happened to dairy? And the reality is everyone’s trying to figure it out and it’s gonna take some time. So I don’t think we’ve seen the reaction or response to the [00:13:30] situation actually materialize yet. Ted Jacoby III: Do you think that the question everybody should be asking is how long is it gonna take for the Strait of Hormuz to open? Joe Maixner: That’s a big caveat in this whole situation, right? Once that opens and trade flows resume, that clears a lot of things up. Regardless, it’s gonna take time to clear up, right? Because you’re gonna have a backlog, but the sooner that reopens, the sooner things pseudo get back to normal. Mike Brown (2): So much energy flows out to that strait to the rest of the world, particularly to Asia that it could affect incomes effect ability to [00:14:00] purchase products as well. It isn’t just bringing things in, it’s how they get the oil out. Question for Diego, Iran certainly makes some SMP. Do you think that has any impact at all? Diego Carvallo: That’s a really good point you’re bringing up, Mike. Iran had for the past five years ramped up their SMP experts significantly, so I believe, if I’m not wrong, in 2025, they exported something like 120,000 metric tons of skim milk powder. It’s obviously not [00:14:30] one of the biggest exporters in the world, but it’s a significant exporter. The most important takeaway is that they would supply those markets that are being affected by these interruptions the most. It’s not only that region has fewer access to European and American and even New Zealand sources, but also one of their main providers has an active block on food exports as of right now. Both things tell me it’s gonna be harder for demand to [00:15:00] get access to the product. If it extends this issue in time, this is definitely gonna kill demand. Ted Jacoby III: Let’s talk this through. The longer this goes on, what are the countries that are really gonna start seeing drops in demand because their revenue is dropping. Obviously Iran, I think you gotta include Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE. Joe Maixner: Yep. Ted Jacoby III: I think China, too, because they don’t have the access to energy. And maybe some of the other major importers of Middle East oil. Now, some of it will switch, probably go [00:15:30] outta Jeddah, but I don’t think there’s a lot of oil exports leaving Jeddah. I think it’s all in the Gulf. Joe Maixner: What does it do for European product though, given the fact that this is going to cause a spike in natural gas pricing. This is gonna cause a spike in all energy pricing.  When the whole Ukraine situation escalated and Europe lost access to gas, it would cost something like $500 per metric ton just to dry the product because of [00:16:00] the increased cost of gas. That put a lot of pressure onto the skim milk concentrate, and it gave a lot of support to skim milk powder. Diego Carvallo: I think something similar is gonna happen in the coming weeks because we all heard the news about if I’m not wrong, it was Qatar that just shut down the world’s biggest LNG plant. And it takes, I believe it’s 40 days for it to be back online at full operations. It’s not a one or two day interruption. It’s a [00:16:30] substantial interruption in the energy supply at a worldwide level. Ted Jacoby III: The one big difference between when we’ve seen gas prices spike in the past, and this time is in the past, when energy prices spiked, demand in the Middle East would actually go up because they’d have more revenue and more income. They don’t this time around because it’s spiking because they can’t be the exporters and make those sales. I think that’s important to take into account. You’ve got a scenario where if this goes [00:17:00] on long enough, I think there’s some real negative effects on demand that we’ve gotta start coming to terms with, I don’t think that matters if everything opens up within the next two to four weeks. We’ll see if that happens. Mike Brown (2): Generally, this administration has responded to economic pressure. We see what’s happening in the stock market and we see what’s happening with energy costs, they’re gonna be rethinking hard on how long they want this thing to stretch out, regardless of what maybe some of our partners would like it to be. There’s gonna be some strong economic pressure internally. Even the Senate, who voted to support [00:17:30] continuing the fighting in Iran did say, we’re good for now, but we’ll revisit this if we need to.  That pressure by the day is gonna keep going up. Ted Jacoby III: I’m a hundred percent in agreement with you, Mike, and that’s why my hunch is you’re not gonna see the strait shutdown for an extended period of time. But we don’t know. We’ll have to wait and see. Hey, thanks guys. That was a great discussion today. It remains to be seen how this plays out. This is something that absolutely bears watching because it clearly is going to have some effect on dairy demand. We will see. [00:18:00]

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