What if success didn’t mean sacrificing your health, family or sanity?  In this episode Junaid sits down with Leo Gestetner — founder, CEO, and late-blooming endurance athlete — to unpack how to build thriving companies without burning out. Leo recounts starting as a 13‑year‑old selling secondhand computers, transforming his life from “couch potato” to marathoner and triathlete, and reframing entrepreneurship as a long race, not a sprint. This conversation blends practical routines (what gets scheduled gets done), hard-earned resilience (the “wall” in marathons and business), and the emotional payoff of pacing yourself for a sustained, meaningful life. If you’re tired of hustle porn and want a playbook for sustainable ambition, this episode is a masterclass in balance, discipline, and reimagining success. Top takeaways: Schedule your life: you won’t make time for fitness, family, or reflection unless you calendar it. Build for the long game: treat business like a marathon — pace, recovery, and consistency matter more than bursts. Reframe failure: setbacks teach more than success; willingness to fail is a core entrepreneurial advantage. Manage energy, not just time: focus on what gives you the most value and protects your health span. Small, repeatable habits scale: achievable challenges compound into lasting transformation. Timestamps: 00:00 — Intro & Leo’s origin story: selling computers at 13 02:30 — From entrepreneur’s DNA to need-driven hustle: early influences 04:40 — The turning point: choosing sustainable success over pure scale 06:50 — Scheduling, boundaries & routines that protect family and fitness 09:40 — Marathons as metaphors: hitting the wall in sport and business 14:00 — Culture of failure: what Steve Jobs and Corning taught about risk 17:30 — Pacing life: digital nomad chapter and lessons on reinvention Guest links: Website: https://leogestetner.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leogestetner (search “Leo Gestetner” on LinkedIn) Podcast appearances & resources: (see personal website for links) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices