In this episode, our dear friend and colleague, Alexandre Jodun, interviews us! Alexandre had noticed that over these last six years of the Embodiment Matters podcast, and us (Carl and Erin) interviewing so many extraordinary teachers and luminaries, that you, our dear listers, had not heard so much from us about our work, and the soul medicine we carry. So, Alexandre reached out and asked to interview us on our podcast. We loved this conversation with Alexandre so much! It felt like the three of us sitting on the porch together reflecting on all the things we love. We speak about integrating practice with family, growing community, ripening adulthood, embodying freedom, the value of grief work, and many other rich topics. We also talk about the intention and vision behind Refugia, our 13-month mentoring training that begins in February 2026, that weaves together these threads we have carried in somatics, soul-work, deep ecology, grief-tending, meditation, voice, and more, in ways that help us each become more fully ourselves, and support us each to become refugia, places where pockets of life are protected and can flourish amidst all that is collapsing and unraveling. We hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did. You can find out more about Alexandre and his and his wife, Alyona's beautiful work at http://www.ahealingbridge.com And you can find out more about Carl and Erin's work and Refugia program at https://embodimentmatters.com/refugia/