<p>In 2019, Inductive Automation&#39;s Colby Clegg, Don Pearson, and Kevin McClusky sat down with Zack at IA&#39;s Folsom headquarters and predicted nearly everything that&#39;s now dominating the industrial software conversation: AI accountability, the open-systems revolution, algorithm liability in closed-loop control, and the mobile-first plant floor.</p><p><br></p><p>Nobody had names for any of it yet. They just had precision.</p><p><br></p><p>This episode is a curated remaster of those three conversations — nearly two hours of 2019 archive compressed into 38 minutes of what now reads as evidence rather than prediction.</p><p><br></p><p>In this episode:</p><ul><li>Why unlimited licensing wasn&#39;t just a pricing decision — it was a prerequisite for digital transformation</li><li>The open/closed architecture cycle and why we&#39;re back in the loosely-coupled phase</li><li>How AI adoption in manufacturing follows the self-driving car trajectory</li><li>Why the question for closed-loop AI isn&#39;t &quot;why did the algorithm decide that&quot; — it&#39;s &quot;who chose the training data&quot;</li><li>The Gartner hype trough, the Exchange, and what&#39;s actually coming in the next 2-3 years</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Featuring Colby Clegg, Don Pearson, and Kevin McClusky of Inductive Automation. Recorded remotely with Colby Clegg (Ep. 90) and in October 2019, Folsom, CA. with Don &amp; Kevin. (Ep. 149 &amp; 150) Remastered in 2026.</p><p><br></p><p>Timestamps:</p><p>00:00 — Cold Open: The Moments That Still Land </p><p>02:08 — Open vs. Closed: The Cycle That Never Ends </p><p>05:24 — How Ignition Started: Steve&#39;s Idea in 2003 </p><p>07:00 — OT/IT Convergence and the Technology Bridge </p><p>09:19 — Sparkplug, MQTT, and the Eclipse Foundation </p><p>11:39 — Open Source: Why 90% of Your Idea Isn&#39;t Special </p><p>12:08 — AI in Manufacturing: Where It&#39;s Safe to Start </p><p>13:23 — Closed-Loop AI and the Liability No One Wants </p><p>18:05 — The Self-Driving Car Threshold for Industrial AI </p><p>19:35 — Gartner Hype Cycle: &quot;We&#39;re Squarely in the Trough&quot; </p><p>20:04 — The 10-Year-Old Who Doesn&#39;t Know What Wikipedia Is </p><p>21:13 — Mission-Driven Companies vs. Quarterly Return Machines </p><p>24:22 — Ignition&#39;s Final Mile Secret Sauce </p><p>25:00 — Mobile: The Technology You Should Already Have </p><p>28:18 — The Ignition Exchange and Ecosystem Velocity </p><p>31:54 — Closing: &quot;If the Body Is Automation, AI Is the Brain&quot;</p><p><br></p><p>Guests:</p><p>Colby Clegg · <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/colby-clegg-860460a/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/colby-clegg-860460a/</a></p><p>Don Pearson · <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/don-b-pearson/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/don-b-pearson/</a> Kevin McClusky · <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinmcclusky/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinmcclusky/</a></p><p>#ZackScrivenPodcast #InductiveAutomation #Ignition #IIoT #Industry40 #OpenSystems</p>