In this conversation, we sit down in Pharping Nepal with Josh Kinney, a western practitioner who spent over two decades immersed in the living meditation traditions of Nangchen in Eastern Tibet training under some of its most extraordinary masters, including the force of nature Yogi Pema Dorje, and the renowned Lhagen Pema Drimed. You will hear stories of cave retreats, Tibetan yogas, dark retreat practice, and what it means to enter this remotely held lineage as an outsider with devotion and a willingness to keep showing up. Time notes: 00:00:00 Introduction 00:01:39 First steps into dharma 00:03:24 Eastern Tibet 00:04:12 Putting on robes 00:05:54 Adeu Rinpoche 000:9:58 Meeting Yogi Pema Dorje 00:12:27 Cave retreats and ngondro 00:14:59 Five Buddha family teachings 00:19:13 Sealed retreats with Pema Dorje 00:25:13 Tibetan yogas 00:27:15 Dark retreat 00:30:22 Pema Dorje's early life and tests 00:36:40 Naked yogi tales 00:39:08 Retreat training style 00:43:23 Lhagen Pema Drimed 00:49:57 Guided retreat stories 00:53:53 Chudlen essence practice 00:58:24 Dark retreat with friends 01:03:00 Peter Galambos as an example 01:04:43 Outer, inner and secret retreat 01:07:00 3-year retreat and serendipity as the way Links: Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0mVOZmJ5bg Josh Kinney: Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/joshua.kinney.524 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mcguru29 Support building a dark retreat hermitage at Gebchak: In response to Tsogyal Rinpoche and senior Gebchak female practitioners asking Josh to advise and direct the building of this future dark retreat center at the mother nunnery of Gebchak, in Eastern Tibet, Josh is currently requesting support to make this vision come to fruition. This space will be able to hold 15 practitioners at a time and will include bathrooms and a communal kitchen. You can make an offering here, and Josh will send you a receipt for your gift: paypal.me/gebchakyogis For questions, you can write Josh: mcreynolds290 (at) gmail (dot) com Suggested Episode Series: On the Gebchak Yoginis, a 3 Part Series with Elizabeth McDougal: Part One: https://oliviaclementine.com/elizabeth-mcdougal-the-gebchak-yoginis-part-one/ Love & Liberation podcast website & transcripts https://oliviaclementine.com/podcasts