This week, on a shorter-than-usual episode, Ashleigh and Flint take their collective feet off the accelerator and approach things in a more thoughtful way. But there is still some news talk! Including: CW: This episode contains a discussion around the actions of ICE, in the USA. There's no easy way of going over this. Closer to home, the Council of Europe has voted to ban conversion therapy, despite the best efforts of a certain anti-trans group... In fact that particular group had a double-whammy of deserved disappointment and we'll tell you all about it in Loser's Corner. Followed by a considered conversation about how, in these difficult times, are we to rest. Maybe there's ways of passing time that are in and of themselves radical. From the immortal Terry Pratchett: "It's not worth doing unless someone, somewhere would much rather you weren't doing it." References: https://whatthetrans.com/ep148