<p>In this interview, Stephan Livera chats with Charlie Spears from Blockspace about Bitcoin&#39;s ongoing debates on spam, protocol upgrades, and the future of Bitcoin development. They explore the nuances of on-chain data, the impact of ordinals, and the importance of ecosystem diversity.</p><p><strong>Takeaways:</strong></p><p>🔸The history and evolution of Bitcoin data debates, including the fork and filter strategies </p><p>🔸The real impact of spam and arbitrary data on Bitcoin&#39;s security and censorship resistance </p><p>🔸Analysis of proposed protocol changes like BIP 110 and their effectiveness in curbing spam </p><p>🔸The game theory behind spam vectors and how the ecosystem adapts to soft forks and filters </p><p>🔸The role of different Bitcoin clients and the importance of client diversity for network robustness</p><p>🔸The future of ordinals, inscriptions, and their potential resurgence tied to Bitcoin&#39;s overall adoption and price cycles </p><p>🔸Insights into Bitcoin Layer projects and the importance of ecosystem tracking and transparency </p><p>🔸The significance of Bitcoin conferences like Opnext for fostering developer-institution collaboration and debate </p><p>🔸The overarching principle: increasing Bitcoin adoption as the best solution to data and spam concerns</p><p><strong>Timestamps:</strong></p><p>(00:00) - Intro</p><p>(01:13) - The BIP110 fork and filter debate</p><p>(03:59) - Consensus changes vs. policy solutions</p><p>(08:36) - Understanding spam and data on the Bitcoin blockchain</p><p>(11:29) - Diversity of Bitcoin clients</p><p>(14:29) - What is considered spam?</p><p>(17:55) - Will BIP110 stop or curb spam?</p><p>(24:51) - Evolution of spam tactics in Bitcoin</p><p>(29:18) - The future of Ordinals</p><p>(32:16) - Does Ordinals &amp; spam make Bitcoin a worse money?</p><p>(37:04) - What is ‘Bitcoin Layers’? </p><p>(43:02) - What is OPNEXT 2026?</p><p>(52:49) - Closing thoughts</p><p><strong>Links: </strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://x.com/cbspears"><u>https://x.com/cbspears</u></a> </p></li><li><p><a href="https://blockspace.media/"><u>https://blockspace.media/</u></a> </p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/blockspace"><u>https://x.com/blockspace</u></a> </p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/opnext2026"><u>https://x.com/opnext2026</u></a> </p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/oklahomabtc"><u>https://x.com/oklahomabtc</u></a> </p></li></ul><p><strong>Stephan Livera links:</strong></p><ul><li><p>Follow me on X:<a href="https://twitter.com/stephanlivera"> <u>@stephanlivera</u></a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://plinkhq.com/i/1415720320"><u>Subscribe to the podcast</u></a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://stephanlivera.substack.com/"><u>Subscribe to Substack</u></a></p></li></ul>