<p>In this episode, Sanjay Mavinkurve and Chase Palmieri join me to discuss Sovana, a groundbreaking product that allows property owners to leverage their real estate equity to gain Bitcoin exposure without traditional debt. They explore the product&#39;s mechanics, target audience, market timing, and future potential, providing insights into how real estate and Bitcoin markets intersect.</p><p><strong>Timestamps:</strong></p><p>(00:00) - Introduction</p><p>(02:50) - The Problem with Home Equity and Bitcoin</p><p>(06:38) - How Sovana Works</p><p>(11:10) - What if Bitcoin is down in 5 years?</p><p>(14:55) - Is this only for people who are already HODLers?</p><p>(17:25) - Why TradFi can’t ignore Bitcoin anymore</p><p>(19:17) - Would a 10 year period be possible in future?</p><p>(26:35) - Comparing Sovana to Traditional Financing</p><p>(29:05) - What about Capital Gains taxes?</p><p>(32:55) - Real Estate vs. Bitcoin Performance</p><p>(39:37) - Bridging the Gap: Conviction and Capital</p><p>(47:55) - Closing Thoughts</p><p><strong>Links: </strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://x.com/SovanaHQ"><u>https://x.com/SovanaHQ</u></a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/sgmavinkurve"><u>https://x.com/sgmavinkurve</u></a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://x.com/chasepalmieri"><u>https://x.com/chasepalmieri</u></a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.sovana.io/"><u>https://www.sovana.io/</u></a></p></li></ul><p><strong>Stephan Livera links:</strong></p><ul><li><p>Follow me on X:<a href="https://twitter.com/stephanlivera"> @stephanlivera</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://plinkhq.com/i/1415720320">Subscribe to the podcast</a></p></li><li><p><a href="https://stephanlivera.substack.com/">Subscribe to Substack</a></p></li></ul>