In this episode, Dr. Jim Eubanks, physiatrist and spine specialist, breaks down the most harmful back pain myths patients encounter online-and what clinicians can say instead. If you&apos;ve ever struggled to help a patient move past catastrophic thinking or scary MRI language, this conversation will give you the tools to reframe pain, imaging, and recovery.What you&apos;ll learn:<ul><li>Why &quot;pain equals damage&quot; keeps patients stuck in fear and avoidance</li><li>How to translate radiology reports into plain language that empowers movement</li><li>When imaging is actually necessary (and when it&apos;s not)</li><li>The role of lifestyle, sleep, stress, and psychological factors in back pain recovery</li><li>Why rehabilitation should almost always come first-even before imaging</li></ul>This is part one of a two-part series. Part two dives into first-line care, injections, procedures, and when to involve a specialist.🎧 <a href='https://podcast.modernpaincare.com'>Listen to the full podcast </a>💬 Join Modern Pain Pro for mentorship, case discussions, and clinical resources → <a href='https://modernpaincare.com/pro'>modernpaincare.com</a><a href='https://modernpaincare.com/course'>📘 Learn about Pain Practice OS </a>→ Our flagship program for clinicians building local pain programsYour work matters-let&apos;s build modern pain care together.#BackPain #PhysicalTherapy #ChronicPain #PainScience #Physiatry #RehabFirst ********************************************************************* 📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/ 🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ 🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com ____________________________________ Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

<description>&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Dr. Jim Eubanks, physiatrist and spine specialist, breaks down the most harmful back pain myths patients encounter online-and what clinicians can say instead. If you&amp;apos;ve ever struggled to help a patient move past catastrophic thinking or scary MRI language, this conversation will give you the tools to reframe pain, imaging, and recovery.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;What you&amp;apos;ll learn:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why &amp;quot;pain equals damage&amp;quot; keeps patients stuck in fear and avoidance&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How to translate radiology reports into plain language that empowers movement&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;When imaging is actually necessary (and when it&amp;apos;s not)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The role of lifestyle, sleep, stress, and psychological factors in back pain recovery&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why rehabilitation should almost always come first-even before imaging&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;This is part one of a two-part series.&lt;/b&gt; Part two dives into first-line care, injections, procedures, and when to involve a specialist.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;🎧 &lt;a href='https://podcast.modernpaincare.com'&gt;&lt;b&gt;Listen to the full podcast&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;💬 &lt;b&gt;Join Modern Pain Pro&lt;/b&gt; for mentorship, case discussions, and clinical resources → &lt;a href='https://modernpaincare.com/pro'&gt;modernpaincare.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://modernpaincare.com/course'&gt;📘 &lt;b&gt;Learn about Pain Practice OS&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/a&gt;→ Our flagship program for clinicians building local pain programs&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Your work matters-let&amp;apos;s build modern pain care together.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;#BackPain #PhysicalTherapy #ChronicPain #PainScience #Physiatry #RehabFirst&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;*********************************************************************&lt;br/&gt;📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;____________________________________&lt;br/&gt;Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness&lt;/p&gt;</description>

In this episode, Dr. Jim Eubanks, physiatrist and spine specialist, breaks down the most harmful back pain myths patients encounter online-and what clinicians can say instead. If you've ever struggled to help a patient move past catastrophic thinking or scary MRI language, this conversation will give you the tools to reframe pain, imaging, and recovery. What you'll learn: Why "pain equals damage" keeps patients stuck in fear and avoidanceHow to translate radiology reports into plain language ...

The Back Pain Myths Making Recovery Harder (Part 1)

In this episode, I sit down with Mark Shepherd, fellowship program director, to tackle a controversial question: Is the &quot;manual therapy&quot; label holding back our profession? We explore whether orthopedic manual physical therapy should rebrand itself as the research evolves and public perception shifts.What we cover:<ul><li>Why fellowship training is about reasoning, not just technique</li><li>The disconnect between what OMPT actually is vs. how it&apos;s perceived</li><li>How branding affects patient expectations and clinician identity</li><li>Whether the manual therapy name limits our ability to attract new fellows</li><li>The role of touch in modern pain care—and why it shouldn&apos;t define us</li></ul>This is a nuanced conversation between two fellows who deeply respect the training but question whether our messaging matches our methods in 2025.🎧 Modern Pain Care Resources:<ul><li><a href='https://pro.modernpaincare.com/modernpainpro'>Join the Modern Pain Pro community </a></li><li><a href='https://modernpaincare.com/course'>Learn about Pain Practice OS </a></li></ul>#PhysicalTherapy #ManualTherapy #OMPT #PainCare #Fellowship #PainScience #Physio ********************************************************************* 📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/ 🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ 🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com ____________________________________ Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

<description>&lt;p&gt;In this episode, I sit down with Mark Shepherd, fellowship program director, to tackle a controversial question: Is the &amp;quot;manual therapy&amp;quot; label holding back our profession? We explore whether orthopedic manual physical therapy should rebrand itself as the research evolves and public perception shifts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;What we cover:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why fellowship training is about reasoning, not just technique&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The disconnect between what OMPT actually is vs. how it&amp;apos;s perceived&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How branding affects patient expectations and clinician identity&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Whether the manual therapy name limits our ability to attract new fellows&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The role of touch in modern pain care—and why it shouldn&amp;apos;t define us&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is a nuanced conversation between two fellows who deeply respect the training but question whether our messaging matches our methods in 2025.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;🎧 &lt;b&gt;Modern Pain Care Resources:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://pro.modernpaincare.com/modernpainpro'&gt;Join the Modern Pain Pro community &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://modernpaincare.com/course'&gt;Learn about Pain Practice OS &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;#PhysicalTherapy #ManualTherapy #OMPT #PainCare #Fellowship #PainScience #Physio&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;*********************************************************************&lt;br/&gt;📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;____________________________________&lt;br/&gt;Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness&lt;/p&gt;</description>

In this episode, I sit down with Mark Shepherd, fellowship program director, to tackle a controversial question: Is the "manual therapy" label holding back our profession? We explore whether orthopedic manual physical therapy should rebrand itself as the research evolves and public perception shifts. What we cover: Why fellowship training is about reasoning, not just techniqueThe disconnect between what OMPT actually is vs. how it's perceivedHow branding affects patient expectations and clini...

Why "Manual Therapy" Holds OMPT Back (Fellowship Director Responds)

<a href='https://modernpaincare.com/paincoach'>Try Pain Coach</a> <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/lachlan-townend/'>Connect with Lachlan on LinkedIn</a>Struggling to turn complex chronic pain into simple, actionable care plans your patients can follow?In this episode of the Modern Pain Podcast, Mark sits down with physiotherapist and Pain Coach founder Lachlan Townend to unpack how lifestyle data, clinical reasoning, and tech can finally work together instead of against each other.Lachlan shares his own journey with persistent groin pain, why the traditional biopsychosocial model often becomes “woo-woo” and unmeasured, and how he built Pain Coach to help clinicians track sleep, exercise, social connection, nutrition, and psychological distress in a way that actually guides treatment.You’ll hear us dive into:<ul><li>How Lachlan’s personal pain story shaped his empathy and practice</li><li>Why patients don’t want “complexity” – they want simple, actionable steps</li><li>The limitations of manual therapy and short-term fixes (without throwing them out entirely)</li><li>How to use lifestyle tracking as a clinical support tool, not a replacement for reasoning</li><li>Using data to test-treat-retest lifestyle changes over time</li><li>The tension between research, incentives, and real-world outcomes</li><li>How AI could help clinicians ask better questions of their patients’ data</li></ul>If you’re a physio, PT, chiro, OT, pain coach, or any clinician working with persistent pain, this conversation will give you a concrete way to move beyond the “magic hands” model and into measurable, whole-person care. ********************************************************************* 📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/ 🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ 🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com ____________________________________ Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://modernpaincare.com/paincoach'&gt;Try Pain Coach&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/lachlan-townend/'&gt;Connect with Lachlan on LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Struggling to turn complex chronic pain into simple, actionable care plans your patients can follow?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this episode of the Modern Pain Podcast, Mark sits down with physiotherapist and Pain Coach founder &lt;b&gt;Lachlan Townend&lt;/b&gt; to unpack how lifestyle data, clinical reasoning, and tech can finally work together instead of against each other.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Lachlan shares his own journey with persistent groin pain, why the traditional biopsychosocial model often becomes “woo-woo” and unmeasured, and how he built &lt;b&gt;Pain Coach&lt;/b&gt; to help clinicians track sleep, exercise, social connection, nutrition, and psychological distress in a way that actually guides treatment.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You’ll hear us dive into:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;How Lachlan’s personal pain story shaped his empathy and practice&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why patients don’t want “complexity” – they want simple, actionable steps&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The limitations of manual therapy and short-term fixes (without throwing them out entirely)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How to use lifestyle tracking as a clinical support tool, not a replacement for reasoning&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Using data to test-treat-retest lifestyle changes over time&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The tension between research, incentives, and real-world outcomes&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How AI could help clinicians ask better questions of their patients’ data&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you’re a physio, PT, chiro, OT, pain coach, or any clinician working with persistent pain, this conversation will give you a concrete way to move beyond the “magic hands” model and into measurable, whole-person care.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;*********************************************************************&lt;br/&gt;📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;____________________________________&lt;br/&gt;Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Try Pain Coach  Connect with Lachlan on LinkedIn Struggling to turn complex chronic pain into simple, actionable care plans your patients can follow? In this episode of the Modern Pain Podcast, Mark sits down with physiotherapist and Pain Coach founder Lachlan Townend to unpack how lifestyle data, clinical reasoning, and tech can finally work together instead of against each other. Lachlan shares his own journey with persistent groin pain, why the traditional biopsychosocial model often ...

Chronic Pain, Lifestyle, and Data: How Pain Coach Helps Clinicians See What Really Matters

In this episode, Mark sits down with Richard McIlmoyle, a chiropractor from British Columbia who went through a profound professional transformation after discovering modern pain science. Richard shares his journey from biomechanical certainty to embracing uncertainty, and how that shift has made him a better clinician and mentor.In this conversation, you&apos;ll discover:<ul><li>How to mentor students without destroying their foundational confidence</li><li>Why intellectual humility is your greatest clinical asset</li><li>The tension between what we&apos;re taught in school and what science actually shows</li><li>How Richard approaches manual therapy from a macro-down perspective</li><li>Why he audited UBC&apos;s medical school pain curriculum (and what he found)</li></ul>Richard&apos;s story is a masterclass in professional evolution. From attending the San Diego Pain Summit in 2015 to now influencing medical education in British Columbia, he demonstrates what&apos;s possible when clinicians choose curiosity over certainty. ********************************************************************* 📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/ 🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ 🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com ____________________________________ Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

<description>&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Mark sits down with Richard McIlmoyle, a chiropractor from British Columbia who went through a profound professional transformation after discovering modern pain science. Richard shares his journey from biomechanical certainty to embracing uncertainty, and how that shift has made him a better clinician and mentor.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;In this conversation, you&amp;apos;ll discover:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;How to mentor students without destroying their foundational confidence&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why intellectual humility is your greatest clinical asset&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The tension between what we&amp;apos;re taught in school and what science actually shows&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How Richard approaches manual therapy from a macro-down perspective&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why he audited UBC&amp;apos;s medical school pain curriculum (and what he found)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;Richard&amp;apos;s story is a masterclass in professional evolution. From attending the San Diego Pain Summit in 2015 to now influencing medical education in British Columbia, he demonstrates what&amp;apos;s possible when clinicians choose curiosity over certainty.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;*********************************************************************&lt;br/&gt;📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;____________________________________&lt;br/&gt;Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness&lt;/p&gt;</description>

In this episode, Mark sits down with Richard McIlmoyle, a chiropractor from British Columbia who went through a profound professional transformation after discovering modern pain science. Richard shares his journey from biomechanical certainty to embracing uncertainty, and how that shift has made him a better clinician and mentor. In this conversation, you'll discover: How to mentor students without destroying their foundational confidenceWhy intellectual humility is your greatest clinical as...

The Existential Crisis Every Manual Therapist Should Have

Pain management requires psychological flexibility—not just for patients, but for clinicians too. Bronnie Lennox Thompson reveals why embracing uncertainty builds better therapeutic relationships than projecting false certainty ever could.What you&apos;ll learn:→ Why the biopsychosocial model gets lip service but fails in practice→ How to redirect your certainty from treatments to relationships→ Guided discovery techniques for hands-on and active care→ Why saying &quot;I don&apos;t know&quot; strengthens trust (not weakens it)→ Essential skills: Motivational Interviewing + ACT for pain coaching→ How to help patients discover freedom in their own world (not just your clinic)Bronnie explains her shift from &quot;biopsychosocial&quot; to a multifactorial model, shares how clinicians struggle with uncertainty just like patients do, and breaks down the practical communication skills that transform you from expert-fixer to collaborative guide.Whether you&apos;re struggling with big emotions in sessions, feeling stuck in the &quot;certainty peddling&quot; culture of CE courses, or ready to deepen your psychologically informed practice—this conversation offers permission, wisdom, and actionable strategies.Perfect for: Physical therapists, occupational therapists, chiropractors, and any clinician working with people in chronic pain who want to practice with more authenticity, confidence, and human connection.🔗 Interested in coaching and mentorship? Learn more about Modern Pain Care programs at <a href='http://modernpaincare.com'>modernpaincare.com</a> ********************************************************************* 📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/ 🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ 🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com ____________________________________ Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

<description>&lt;p&gt;Pain management requires psychological flexibility—not just for patients, but for clinicians too. Bronnie Lennox Thompson reveals why embracing uncertainty builds better therapeutic relationships than projecting false certainty ever could.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;What you&amp;apos;ll learn:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;→ Why the biopsychosocial model gets lip service but fails in practice&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;→ How to redirect your certainty from treatments to relationships&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;→ Guided discovery techniques for hands-on and active care&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;→ Why saying &amp;quot;I don&amp;apos;t know&amp;quot; strengthens trust (not weakens it)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;→ Essential skills: Motivational Interviewing + ACT for pain coaching&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;→ How to help patients discover freedom in their own world (not just your clinic)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bronnie explains her shift from &amp;quot;biopsychosocial&amp;quot; to a multifactorial model, shares how clinicians struggle with uncertainty just like patients do, and breaks down the practical communication skills that transform you from expert-fixer to collaborative guide.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Whether you&amp;apos;re struggling with big emotions in sessions, feeling stuck in the &amp;quot;certainty peddling&amp;quot; culture of CE courses, or ready to deepen your psychologically informed practice—this conversation offers permission, wisdom, and actionable strategies.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Perfect for:&lt;/b&gt; Physical therapists, occupational therapists, chiropractors, and any clinician working with people in chronic pain who want to practice with more authenticity, confidence, and human connection.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;🔗 Interested in coaching and mentorship? Learn more about Modern Pain Care programs at &lt;a href='http://modernpaincare.com'&gt;modernpaincare.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;*********************************************************************&lt;br/&gt;📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;____________________________________&lt;br/&gt;Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Pain management requires psychological flexibility—not just for patients, but for clinicians too. Bronnie Lennox Thompson reveals why embracing uncertainty builds better therapeutic relationships than projecting false certainty ever could. What you'll learn: → Why the biopsychosocial model gets lip service but fails in practice → How to redirect your certainty from treatments to relationships → Guided discovery techniques for hands-on and active care → Why saying "I don't know" strengthens tr...

The Psychological Flexibility Clinicians Need (But Don't Have)

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