Why do we lock people up? Is it to punish offenders or to rehabilitate them? A majority of Americans say they want… both. But those goals often compete with each other, and the result is a system that’s dysfunctional at best – and deadly at worst. Join host Samantha Laine Perfas in Episode 5 with guests: writer and activist Jeremiah Bourgeois, research policy analysts Nazgol Ghandnoosh and Bethany Young, victim advocate Jennifer Bishop-Jenkins, and former corrections officer Andy Potter.