On the 72nd anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education, Andrew and Dr. Val sit down with Cecilia Marshall — granddaughter of Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall and founder of the newly launched Thurgood Marshall Foundation. Together, they reflect on what it means to carry forward a legacy rooted not in individual heroism, but in collective courage, sacrifice, and community responsibility.

Ms. Marshall shares intimate stories of knowing Thurgood Marshall simply as “Grandpa,” and how, only later in life, she came to understand the magnitude of his work and the sacrifices made by the families behind Brown v. Board. The conversation explores the importance of telling these histories honestly — especially to children — and why public schools remain one of our most important democratic institutions.

From the bravery of the 200+ plaintiffs across the five Brown cases, to present-day debates around diversity, public education, and belonging, this episode asks what it means to build bridges in a deeply polarized moment — and what responsibilities we each carry in shaping a more just future for all children.

In honor of the 72nd anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education, Integrated Schools is launching the 1954 Campaign. - https://give.socialgoodfund.org/1954campaign

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$195.40
$1,954
or any amount meaningful to you
Half of the proceeds will support the Thurgood Marshall Foundation and its work preserving and sharing this history with future generations. - https://give.socialgoodfund.org/1954campaign

LINKS:
The Thurgood Marshall Foundation - https://thurgoodmarshall.org/
Integrated Schools 1954 Campaign - Please donate today! - https://give.socialgoodfund.org/1954campaign
Justice Marshall's Liberty Medal Acceptance Speech - https://www.naacpldf.org/press-release/thurgood-marshalls-stirring-acceptance-speech-after-receiving-the-prestigious-liberty-award-on-july-4-1992/
Recovering Untold Stories: An Enduring Legacy of the Brown v. Board of Education Decision - https://npshistory.com/publications/brvb/recovering-untold-stories.pdf
Becoming Thurgood: America's Social Architect - PBS Documentary about Thurgood Marshall -https://www.pbs.org/show/becoming-thurgood-americas-social-architect/

Brown v Board @ Sixty Five: The Stories We Tell Ourselves (our 5 part series on the Brown decision)
Ep 18 – Rucker Johnson and the Grandchildren of Desegregation (BvB@65) - https://integratedschools.org/podcast/ep-18-rucker-johnson-and-the-grandchildren-of-desegregation-bvb65/
Ep 19 – Segrenomics, Black Teachers, and Noliwe Rooks (BvB@65) - https://integratedschools.org/podcast/ep-19-segrenomics-black-teachers-and-noliwe-rooks-bvb65/
Ep20 – Amanda Lewis on Desegregation Without Integration (BvB@65) - https://integratedschools.org/podcast/ep20-amanda-lewis-on-desegregation-without-integration-bvb65/
Ep 21 – Beyond Black and White with David Hinojosa (BvB@65) - https://integratedschools.org/podcast/21-hinojosa/
Ep 22 – I Hope They Hear It In Our Voices (BvB@65) - https://integratedschools.org/podcast/ep-22-i-hope-they-hear-it-in-our-voices-bvb65/
S7E3 – Generational Work: Stefan Lallinger on Integration - https://integratedschools.org/podcast/lallinger/
NAACP Legal Defense Fund - https://www.naacpldf.org/


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The Brown v Board Plaintiffs
The bundle of five cases commonly referred to as Brown v. Board actually contained more than 200 plaintiffs. Below are their names and their associated cases.

Belton v. Gebhart (Bulah v. Gebhart)

Delaware State Court, Wilmington, Delaware

Ethel Belton

Sarah Bulah

Joseph Crumpler

John W. Davis

Emma Fountain

Barbara Byrd Henry

Charles Hill

Lois May Johnson

Mary Johnson

Willie Robinson

John Short

Harlan Trotter

Bolling v. Sharpe

U.S. District Court, Washington, D.C.

Mrs. Sarah Bolling

Spottswood Thomas Bolling

Wanamaker Von Bolling

William Briscoe

Sarah Louise Briscoe

James C. Jennings

Adrienne Jennings

Barbara Jennings

Consolidated Parent Group, Inc.

Briggs et al v. Elliott et al.

U.S. District Court, Eastern Division, Charleston, South Carolina

James Bennett

Onetha Bennett

Harry Briggs

Robert Georgia

Annie Gibson

Gilbert H. Henry

Susan Lawson

Frederick Oliver

Mary Oliver

Mose Oliver

Bennie Parson

Edward Ragin

Hazel Ragin

William Ragin

Lee Richardson

Lucrisher Richardson

Rebecca Richburg

Henry Scott

William Stukes

Gabriel Tindal

Davis v. County School Board of Prince Edward County

U.S. District Court, Richmond, Virginia

Hal Edward Allen (father)

Hal Verner Allen (son)

Margaret G. Allen (grandmother)

James Henry C. Allen (grandson)

Margaret G. Allen (mother)

Herman Alexander Allen (son)

Florence Gertrude Allen (daughter)

Thomas H. Allen (father)

Herman Wesley Allen (son)

Thelma Leola Allen (daughter)

Ellen Banks (guardian)

John Banks, Jr. (guardee)

Frankie Louise Berkeley

Eddie Bigger (father)

Virginia Bigger (daughter)

Katie H. Bigger

Leonard R. Bland (father)

Floyd M. Bland (son)

Reginald W. Bland (son)

Clara S. Booker (mother)

Blanche A. Booker (daughter)

Ronald O.F. Booker (son)

Joseph E. Booker (father)

Loretta Booker (daughter)

Carrie Brown James Brown (father)

Phillip J. Brown (son)

Nelson Carey (father)

Mary Lizzie Carey (daughter)

Anna Bell Carey (daughter)

John Davis

Rosa Bell Davis

Isaiah Dennis (father)

Adline Dennis (daughter)

Charlie Dupuy (father)

Pauline Dupuy (daughter)

Susie Earley (mother)

Bertha E. Earley (daughter)

Helen Virginia Epps (mother)

Alma D. Epps (daughter)

Helen M. Epps (daughter)

Agnes Farrar (guardian)

Walker Camp Farrar (guardee)

Alice Fowlkes (guardian)

Alexander Fowlkes (guardee)

Leroy McCormick (guardee)

Amanda Goode

Frances Goode (mother)

Willie L. Goode (son)

Katherine Goode (daughter)

Dolly M. Goode (daughter)

Harry S. Hall

Thomas Hall (guardian)

Mary E. Couch (guardee)

Elsie Hargwood (mother)

Junita Hargwood (daughter)

Virginia Harris (mother)

Ethel D. Harris (daughter)

C.W. Hicks (father)

Deloris Hicks (daughter)

Marjorie Hicks (daughter)

Inez O. Hicks

Sarah Elizabeth Hicks (mother)

Leigh Edward Hicks (son)

Mosley Jefferson (father)

Dorothy Alice Jefferson (daughter)

Carrie Irene Jefferson (daughter)

Robert Johns (father)

Barbara Rose Johns (daughter)

Joan Marie Johns (daughter)

Kate Johnson (mother)

Burnell Johnson, Jr. (son)

Jasper W. Jones (father)

Peter Jasper Jones (son)

John Paul Jones (son)

Nannie Lee (mother)

George Lee (son)

Sopophonie Miller (mother)

Mattie Jean Miller (daughter)

Herman Monroe (father)

John Monroe (son)

Harry Monroe (son)

Richard Monroe (son)

Emma H. Morton

Mary Moton

Viola W. Neal (mother)

Catherine Neal (daughter)

Lee Emmett Neal (son)

Alma Randle (mother)

Rosetta E. Randle (daughter)

Ethel L. Randle (daughter)

Martin R. Randle (son)

Silas Redd (father)

Gladys E. Redd (daughter)

Charlie Redd (son)

Nellie J. Richardson (mother)

Jeanel E. Richardson (daughter)

Anita Louise Richardson (daughter)

Pinkie Rowlette (guardian)

Reginald Rowlette (guardee)

Alice Goins (guardee)

Rowland D. Saunders (father)

Vernethia C. Saunders (daughter)

Henry Scott (father)

Henry Scott, Jr. (son)

Otis Scott (father)

John Henry Scott (son)

Walter Wallace Scott (son)

Thomas H. Scott

P.H. Shepperson (father)

Lester Shepperson (son)

Florine Shepperson (daughter)

Willie Lee Shepperson (son)

Louise Sims (mother)

Helen L. Sims (daughter)

Rebecca A. Sims (daughter)

Sallie Spencer (mother)

Mary L. Spencer (daughter)

James Spencer (son)

Alice M. Stokes (mother)

John Arthur Stokes (son)

Carrie Stokes (daughter)

Jannie Streat (mother)

Mary E. Streat (daughter)

Pattie Taylor (mother)

Dorothy L. Taylor (daughter)

W. Howard Thompson (father)

Frances Thompson (daughter)

Rachel J. Thomson (daughter)

John Townsend (father)

Mildred Junita Townsend (daughter)

Arlene Shirley Townsend (daughter)

Mary Trent (mother)

Barbara Reese Trent (daughter)

Rose Marie Trent (daughter)

Mattie Vaughan (mother)

Calvin A. Vaughan (son)

Maude E. Walker (mother)

John Junius Walker (son)

Maude Estelle Walker (daughter)

Theophilus Walker (father)

Edward Leon Walker (son)

Mabel Gertrude Walker (daughter)

John L. Watkins (father)

Stella Watkins (daughter)

John Watson, Sr. (father)

John Watson, Jr. (son)

Eva Werkler (mother)

Rosa M. Werkler (daughter)

Myrtle V. West (mother)

Metteaner S. West (son)

W.C. West (father)

Barbara Jean West (daughter)

Olivia Wiley (mother)

Ettal L. Wiley (daughter)

Frank Williams (father)

Bessie Williams (daughter)

Mildred Williams (daughter)

Louise Willis Amelia Womack (mother)

Clarence W. Womack (son)

Aubrey D. Womack (son)

Bert S. Womack (father)

Elizabeth Womack (daughter)

Leslie Woolridge

Oliver L. Brown et al v. Board of Education of Topeka, Shawnee County, Kansas

U.S. District Court, Topeka, Kansas

Oliver Leon Brown

Darlene Brown

Lena M. Carper

Sadie Emmanuel

Marguerite Emmerson*

Shirla Fleming

Mrs. Andrew (Zelma) Henderson

Shirley Hodison

Mrs. Richard (Maude) Lawton

Alma Lewis

Iona Richardson

Vivian Scales

Lucinda Todd

*Marguerite Emerson's name was misspelled on the original court documents

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The Integrated Schools Podcast

Andrew Lefkowits, Val Brown, Courtney Mykytyn

Carrying the Torch: The Legacy of Thurgood Marshall from His Granddaughter's Perspective

MAY 17, 202655 MIN
The Integrated Schools Podcast

Carrying the Torch: The Legacy of Thurgood Marshall from His Granddaughter's Perspective

MAY 17, 202655 MIN

Description

On the 72nd anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education, Andrew and Dr. Val sit down with Cecilia Marshall — granddaughter of Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall and founder of the newly launched Thurgood Marshall Foundation. Together, they reflect on what it means to carry forward a legacy rooted not in individual heroism, but in collective courage, sacrifice, and community responsibility.Ms. Marshall shares intimate stories of knowing Thurgood Marshall simply as “Grandpa,” and how, only later in life, she came to understand the magnitude of his work and the sacrifices made by the families behind Brown v. Board. The conversation explores the importance of telling these histories honestly — especially to children — and why public schools remain one of our most important democratic institutions.From the bravery of the 200+ plaintiffs across the five Brown cases, to present-day debates around diversity, public education, and belonging, this episode asks what it means to build bridges in a deeply polarized moment — and what responsibilities we each carry in shaping a more just future for all children.In honor of the 72nd anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education, Integrated Schools is launching the 1954 Campaign.We are asking you to give:$19.54$195.40$1,954or any amount meaningful to youHalf of the proceeds will support the Thurgood Marshall Foundation and its work preserving and sharing this history with future generations.LINKS:The Thurgood Marshall FoundationIntegrated Schools 1954 Campaign - Please donate today!Justice Marshall's Liberty Medal Acceptance SpeechRecovering Untold Stories: An Enduring Legacy of the Brown v. Board of Education DecisionBecoming Thurgood: America's Social Architect - PBS Documentary about Thurgood MarshallBrown v Board @ Sixty Five: The Stories We Tell Ourselves (our 5 part series on the Brown decision)Ep 18 – Rucker Johnson and the Grandchildren of Desegregation (BvB@65)Ep 19 – Segrenomics, Black Teachers, and Noliwe Rooks (BvB@65)Ep20 – Amanda Lewis on Desegregation Without Integration (BvB@65Ep 21 – Beyond Black and White with David Hinojosa (BvB@65)Ep 22 – I Hope They Hear It In Our Voices (BvB@65)S7E3 – Generational Work: Stefan Lallinger on IntegrationNAACP Legal Defense FundSend us a voice memo: speakpipe.com/integratedschoolsCheck out our Bookshop.org storefront to support local bookstores, and send a portion of the proceeds back to us.Join our Patreon to support this work, and connect with us and other listeners to discuss these issues even further.Subscribe to our YouTube Channel for video versions of our episodes.Let us know what you think of this episode, suggest future topics, or share your story with us – IntegratedSchools on Facebook, @integratedschools on Instagram and TikTok, or email us [email protected] Integrated Schools Podcast was created by Courtney Mykytyn and Andrew Lefkowits.dThis episode was produced by Andrew Lefkowits and Val Brown. It was edited, and mixed by Andrew Lefkowits.Music by Kevin Casey. The Brown v Board PlaintiffsThe bundle of five cases commonly referred to as Brown v. Board actually contained more than 200 plaintiffs. Below are their names and their associated cases.Belton v. Gebhart (Bulah v. Gebhart)Delaware State Court, Wilmington, DelawareEthel BeltonSarah BulahJoseph CrumplerJohn W. DavisEmma FountainBarbara Byrd HenryCharles HillLois May JohnsonMary JohnsonWillie RobinsonJohn ShortHarlan TrotterBolling v. SharpeU.S. District Court, Washington, D.C.Mrs. Sarah BollingSpottswood Thomas BollingWanamaker Von BollingWilliam BriscoeSarah Louise BriscoeJames C. JenningsAdrienne JenningsBarbara JenningsConsolidated Parent Group, Inc.Briggs et al v. Elliott et al.U.S. District Court, Eastern Division, Charleston, South CarolinaJames BennettOnetha BennettHarry BriggsRobert GeorgiaAnnie GibsonGilbert H. HenrySusan LawsonFrederick OliverMary OliverMose OliverBennie ParsonEdward RaginHazel RaginWilliam RaginLee RichardsonLucrisher RichardsonRebecca RichburgHenry ScottWilliam StukesGabriel TindalDavis v. County School Board of Prince Edward CountyU.S. District Court, Richmond, VirginiaHal Edward Allen (father)Hal Verner Allen (son)Margaret G. Allen (grandmother)James Henry C. Allen (grandson)Margaret G. Allen (mother)Herman Alexander Allen (son)Florence Gertrude Allen (daughter)Thomas H. Allen (father)Herman Wesley Allen (son)Thelma Leola Allen (daughter)Ellen Banks (guardian)John Banks, Jr. (guardee)Frankie Louise BerkeleyEddie Bigger (father)Virginia Bigger (daughter)Katie H. BiggerLeonard R. Bland (father)Floyd M. Bland (son)Reginald W. Bland (son)Clara S. Booker (mother)Blanche A. Booker (daughter)Ronald O.F. Booker (son)Joseph E. Booker (father)Loretta Booker (daughter)Carrie Brown James Brown (father)Phillip J. Brown (son)Nelson Carey (father)Mary Lizzie Carey (daughter)Anna Bell Carey (daughter)John DavisRosa Bell DavisIsaiah Dennis (father)Adline Dennis (daughter)Charlie Dupuy (father)Pauline Dupuy (daughter)Susie Earley (mother)Bertha E. Earley (daughter)Helen Virginia Epps (mother)Alma D. Epps (daughter)Helen M. Epps (daughter)Agnes Farrar (guardian)Walker Camp Farrar (guardee)Alice Fowlkes (guardian)Alexander Fowlkes (guardee)Leroy McCormick (guardee)Amanda GoodeFrances Goode (mother)Willie L. Goode (son)Katherine Goode (daughter)Dolly M. Goode (daughter)Harry S. HallThomas Hall (guardian)Mary E. Couch (guardee)Elsie Hargwood (mother)Junita Hargwood (daughter)Virginia Harris (mother)Ethel D. Harris (daughter)C.W. Hicks (father)Deloris Hicks (daughter)Marjorie Hicks (daughter)Inez O. HicksSarah Elizabeth Hicks (mother)Leigh Edward Hicks (son)Mosley Jefferson (father)Dorothy Alice Jefferson (daughter)Carrie Irene Jefferson (daughter)Robert Johns (father)Barbara Rose Johns (daughter)Joan Marie Johns (daughter)Kate Johnson (mother)Burnell Johnson, Jr. (son)Jasper W. Jones (father)Peter Jasper Jones (son)John Paul Jones (son)Nannie Lee (mother)George Lee (son)Sopophonie Miller (mother)Mattie Jean Miller (daughter)Herman Monroe (father)John Monroe (son)Harry Monroe (son)Richard Monroe (son)Emma H. MortonMary MotonViola W. Neal (mother)Catherine Neal (daughter)Lee Emmett Neal (son)Alma Randle (mother)Rosetta E. Randle (daughter)Ethel L. Randle (daughter)Martin R. Randle (son)Silas Redd (father)Gladys E. Redd (daughter)Charlie Redd (son)Nellie J. Richardson (mother)Jeanel E. Richardson (daughter)Anita Louise Richardson (daughter)Pinkie Rowlette (guardian)Reginald Rowlette (guardee)Alice Goins (guardee)Rowland D. Saunders (father)Vernethia C. Saunders (daughter)Henry Scott (father)Henry Scott, Jr. (son)Otis Scott (father)John Henry Scott (son)Walter Wallace Scott (son)Thomas H. ScottP.H. Shepperson (father)Lester Shepperson (son)Florine Shepperson (daughter)Willie Lee Shepperson (son)Louise Sims (mother)Helen L. Sims (daughter)Rebecca A. Sims (daughter)Sallie Spencer (mother)Mary L. Spencer (daughter)James Spencer (son)Alice M. Stokes (mother)John Arthur Stokes (son)Carrie Stokes (daughter)Jannie Streat (mother)Mary E. Streat (daughter)Pattie Taylor (mother)Dorothy L. Taylor (daughter)W. Howard Thompson (father)Frances Thompson (daughter)Rachel J. Thomson (daughter)John Townsend (father)Mildred Junita Townsend (daughter)Arlene Shirley Townsend (daughter)Mary Trent (mother)Barbara Reese Trent (daughter)Rose Marie Trent (daughter)Mattie Vaughan (mother)Calvin A. Vaughan (son)Maude E. Walker (mother)John Junius Walker (son)Maude Estelle Walker (daughter)Theophilus Walker (father)Edward Leon Walker (son)Mabel Gertrude Walker (daughter)John L. Watkins (father)Stella Watkins (daughter)John Watson, Sr. (father)John Watson, Jr. (son)Eva Werkler (mother)Rosa M. Werkler (daughter)Myrtle V. West (mother)Metteaner S. West (son)W.C. West (father)Barbara Jean West (daughter)Olivia Wiley (mother)Ettal L. Wiley (daughter)Frank Williams (father)Bessie Williams (daughter)Mildred Williams (daughter)Louise Willis Amelia Womack (mother)Clarence W. Womack (son)Aubrey D. Womack (son)Bert S. Womack (father)Elizabeth Womack (daughter)Leslie WoolridgeOliver L. Brown et al v. Board of Education of Topeka, Shawnee County, KansasU.S. District Court, Topeka, KansasOliver Leon BrownDarlene BrownLena M. CarperSadie EmmanuelMarguerite Emmerson*Shirla FlemingMrs. Andrew (Zelma) HendersonShirley HodisonMrs. Richard (Maude) LawtonAlma LewisIona RichardsonVivian ScalesLucinda Todd*Marguerite Emerson's name was misspelled on the original court documentsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy