Here are links to Bill's Trilogy  (in reverse order)<a href="https://www.indiebound.org/book/9781644210642?aff=penguinrandom">The Trail to Kanjiroba</a><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22675839-the-last-unicorn">The Last Unicorn</a><a href="https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/a-great-aridness-climate-change-and-the-future-of-the-american-southwest">A Great Aridness</a>

<description>&lt;p&gt;Here are links to Bill's Trilogy  (in reverse order)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.indiebound.org/book/9781644210642?aff=penguinrandom"&gt;The Trail to Kanjiroba&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22675839-the-last-unicorn"&gt;The Last Unicorn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/a-great-aridness-climate-change-and-the-future-of-the-american-southwest"&gt;A Great Aridness&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
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Page and Collin talk with author, conservationist, and farmer Bill deBuys from his home in El Valle, NM.

Bill deBuys

Here is a link the to the report that Page mentions:<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/latest-ipcc-report-catastrophe/619698/" target="_blank">Summary of 2021 IPCC Report</a>If you're interested in the work that NM Forestry Division is doing check out: <a href="https://www.emnrd.nm.gov/sfd/" target="_blank">https://www.emnrd.nm.gov/sfd/</a>

<description>&lt;p&gt;Here is a link the to the report that Page mentions:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/latest-ipcc-report-catastrophe/619698/" target="_blank"&gt;Summary of 2021 IPCC Report&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you're interested in the work that NM Forestry Division is doing check out: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.emnrd.nm.gov/sfd/" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.emnrd.nm.gov/sfd/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
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Page and Collin chat with Lindsey Quam, Deputy Director of Forests, New Mexico Forestry Division. 

"The land is the people, the people are the land"

Julia Bernal, Pueblo Action Alliance: <a href="https://www.puebloactionalliance.org/meet-our-team">https://www.puebloactionalliance.org/meet-our-team </a>Water Back campaign: <a href="https://www.puebloactionalliance.org/water-back">https://www.puebloactionalliance.org/water-back</a>

<description>&lt;p&gt;Julia Bernal, Pueblo Action Alliance: &lt;a href="https://www.puebloactionalliance.org/meet-our-team"&gt;https://www.puebloactionalliance.org/meet-our-team &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Water Back campaign: &lt;a href="https://www.puebloactionalliance.org/water-back"&gt;https://www.puebloactionalliance.org/water-back&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
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In this episode of Hot & Dry we talk with Julia Bernal about the Pueblo Action Alliance, her recent experience traveling to DC to deliver a totem and checking in on "Auntie Deb" (Secretary of the Interior, Deb Haaland), and the Water Back movement. We ask Julia whether the changes that need to happen for the Water Back and other campaigns she's involved with can happen within the existing dominant paradigm, or whether a more dramatic change is needed. Tune in! 

Water Back & the Pueblo Action Alliance

Page's links:<a href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/07/colorado-river-shrinking-hard-choices-lie-ahead-scientist-warns" target="_blank">https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/07/colorado-river-shrinking-hard-choices-lie-ahead-scientist-warns</a><a href="https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/2021-legislature/nonfunctional-grass-to-be-banned-in-las-vegas-valley-2372927/" target="_blank">https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/2021-legislature/nonfunctional-grass-to-be-banned-in-las-vegas-valley-2372927/</a><a href="https://www.npr.org/2021/07/13/1013446314/amid-a-mega-drought-a-water-shortage-will-be-declared-along-the-colorado-river" target="_blank">https://www.npr.org/2021/07/13/1013446314/amid-a-mega-drought-a-water-shortage-will-be-declared-along-the-colorado-river</a><a href="https://www.kunc.org/environment/2021-07-15/colorado-river-basin-reservoirs-begin-emergency-releases-to-prop-up-a-troubled-lake-powell" target="_blank">https://www.kunc.org/environment/2021-07-15/colorado-river-basin-reservoirs-begin-emergency-releases-to-prop-up-a-troubled-lake-powell</a><a href="https://qcnr.usu.edu/wats/colorado_river_studies/" target="_blank">https://qcnr.usu.edu/wats/colorado_river_studies/</a><a href="https://qcnr.usu.edu/coloradoriver/futures" target="_blank">https://qcnr.usu.edu/coloradoriver/futures</a><a href="http://www.inkstain.net/fleck/" target="_blank">http://www.inkstain.net/fleck/</a>Collin's links:<a href="https://apnews.com/article/business-environment-and-nature-new-mexico-83bc326a75e427c4a4548a40da8cc489">https://apnews.com/article/business-environment-and-nature-new-mexico-83bc326a75e427c4a4548a40da8cc489</a><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/13/us/acequias-drought-new-mexico-southwest.html?smid=tw-share">https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/13/us/acequias-drought-new-mexico-southwest.html?smid=tw-share</a><a href="https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6488/314">https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6488/314</a><a href="https://www.pnas.org/content/113/42/11770">https://www.pnas.org/content/113/42/11770</a><a href="https://www.opb.org/article/2021/07/15/numbers-explain-how-and-why-west-bakes-burns-and-dries-out/">https://www.opb.org/article/2021/07/15/numbers-explain-how-and-why-west-bakes-burns-and-dries-out/</a><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/climate/climate-change-southwest-humidity.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/climate/climate-change-southwest-humidity.html</a><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/why-does-california-have-wildfires.html">https://www.nytimes.com/article/why-does-california-have-wildfires.html</a><a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0480-x">https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0480-x</a><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/s-heat-wave-american-west-rcna1226">https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/s-heat-wave-american-west-rcna1226</a><a href="https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/study-warming-makes-us-west-megadrought-worst-modern-70188982">https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/study-warming-makes-us-west-megadrought-worst-modern-70188982</a><a href="https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019EF001210">https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019EF001210</a><a href="https://theconversation.com/trees-are-dying-of-thirst-in-the-western-drought-heres-whats-going-on-inside-their-veins-162385?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=bylinetwitterbutton">https://theconversation.com/trees-are-dying-of-thirst-in-the-western-drought-heres-whats-going-on-inside-their-veins-162385?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=bylinetwitterbutton</a>

<description>&lt;p&gt;Page's links:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/07/colorado-river-shrinking-hard-choices-lie-ahead-scientist-warns" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/07/colorado-river-shrinking-hard-choices-lie-ahead-scientist-warns&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/2021-legislature/nonfunctional-grass-to-be-banned-in-las-vegas-valley-2372927/" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/2021-legislature/nonfunctional-grass-to-be-banned-in-las-vegas-valley-2372927/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.npr.org/2021/07/13/1013446314/amid-a-mega-drought-a-water-shortage-will-be-declared-along-the-colorado-river" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.npr.org/2021/07/13/1013446314/amid-a-mega-drought-a-water-shortage-will-be-declared-along-the-colorado-river&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.kunc.org/environment/2021-07-15/colorado-river-basin-reservoirs-begin-emergency-releases-to-prop-up-a-troubled-lake-powell" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.kunc.org/environment/2021-07-15/colorado-river-basin-reservoirs-begin-emergency-releases-to-prop-up-a-troubled-lake-powell&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://qcnr.usu.edu/wats/colorado_river_studies/" target="_blank"&gt;https://qcnr.usu.edu/wats/colorado_river_studies/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://qcnr.usu.edu/coloradoriver/futures" target="_blank"&gt;https://qcnr.usu.edu/coloradoriver/futures&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.inkstain.net/fleck/" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.inkstain.net/fleck/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Collin's links:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://apnews.com/article/business-environment-and-nature-new-mexico-83bc326a75e427c4a4548a40da8cc489"&gt;https://apnews.com/article/business-environment-and-nature-new-mexico-83bc326a75e427c4a4548a40da8cc489&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/13/us/acequias-drought-new-mexico-southwest.html?smid=tw-share"&gt;https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/13/us/acequias-drought-new-mexico-southwest.html?smid=tw-share&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6488/314"&gt;https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6488/314&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.pnas.org/content/113/42/11770"&gt;https://www.pnas.org/content/113/42/11770&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.opb.org/article/2021/07/15/numbers-explain-how-and-why-west-bakes-burns-and-dries-out/"&gt;https://www.opb.org/article/2021/07/15/numbers-explain-how-and-why-west-bakes-burns-and-dries-out/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/climate/climate-change-southwest-humidity.html"&gt;https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/climate/climate-change-southwest-humidity.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/why-does-california-have-wildfires.html"&gt;https://www.nytimes.com/article/why-does-california-have-wildfires.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0480-x"&gt;https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-019-0480-x&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/s-heat-wave-american-west-rcna1226"&gt;https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/s-heat-wave-american-west-rcna1226&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/study-warming-makes-us-west-megadrought-worst-modern-70188982"&gt;https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/study-warming-makes-us-west-megadrought-worst-modern-70188982&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019EF001210"&gt;https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019EF001210&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://theconversation.com/trees-are-dying-of-thirst-in-the-western-drought-heres-whats-going-on-inside-their-veins-162385?utm_source=twitter&amp;utm_medium=bylinetwitterbutton"&gt;https://theconversation.com/trees-are-dying-of-thirst-in-the-western-drought-heres-whats-going-on-inside-their-veins-162385?utm_source=twitter&amp;utm_medium=bylinetwitterbutton&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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In this, our intermission episode of Season 3, Collin and Page are guestless, but not totally clueless and they've got great taste in film. Tune in for an invitation to an upcoming movie night on Collin's lawn, and our take on this summer's news about water, fire, and the undeniable climate connection between the changes happening to both.

The Hot & Dry Part Of It

Laura's book - <a href="https://unmpress.com/books/precipice/9780826359117" target="_blank">At the Precipice: New Mexico's Changing Climate available from UNM Press</a>Laura on Twitter:<a href="https://twitter.com/LauraPaskus">@LauraPaskus</a>Drop us a line at: <a href="mailto:hotdrypodcast@gmail.com">hotdrypodcast@gmail.com</a> or follow us on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/hotdrypod">@hotdrypod</a>

<description>&lt;p&gt;Laura's book - &lt;a href="https://unmpress.com/books/precipice/9780826359117" target="_blank"&gt;At the Precipice: New Mexico's Changing Climate available from UNM Press&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Laura on Twitter:&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/LauraPaskus"&gt;@LauraPaskus&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Drop us a line at: &lt;a href="mailto:hotdrypodcast@gmail.com"&gt;hotdrypodcast@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt; or follow us on Twitter: &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/hotdrypod"&gt;@hotdrypod&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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Page and Collin sit down with Laura Paskus, an environmental writer and journalist in New Mexico. We talk about water, climate change, and how chicken little kinda got a bad rap. Laura's new book, At the Precipice, is out now. Go buy it!

Laura Paskus - The River is Not Alright

A podcast about how climate change is transforming the Southwest. And what the hell we should do about it.

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