<p>"It's such a rewarding feeling, standing under the shower and planning out the next couple of hours." I chat to Scott Waters, who makes gorgeous moody paintings of terrible war machines, about artistic self-discipline, the People Problem, and the solace of melancholy songs on our Rubber and Chocolate friendiversary. Intro and outro music: "Epic Problem" by Fugazi.</p>
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