Susan Lacy—the iconic creator of PBS’s American Masters and one of the most influential voices in biographical documentary filmmaking joins us. From her early roots in journalism to building a landmark series that reshaped cultural storytelling on public television, Lacy shares the real behind-the-scenes truth of what it took to launch American Masters, fight for ambitious filmmaking, and evolve from producer to director.
Together, Christian and Susan dig into what makes a documentary last: deep research, emotional access, trust with subjects, and interviews that go beyond “good questions” to uncover the soul of a story. Lacy also reflects on being a woman leading at the highest levels of the industry, the power of mentorship, and how shifting economics—from the DVD era to today’s streaming landscape—have changed development, financing, and distribution.
If you care about documentary storytelling, PBS history, HBO documentaries, or how to direct intimate, character-driven films that preserve legacy and culture, this conversation is essential listening.
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Links:
American Masters: American Masters (TV Series 1985– ) ⭐ 8.2 | Documentary, Biography, History
Pentimento Productions: HOME
Spielberg: Spielberg (TV Movie 2017) ⭐ 7.7 | Documentary, Biography
Billy Joel: And So It Goes: Billy Joel: And So It Goes (TV Mini Series 2025) ⭐ 8.6 | Documentary, Biography, Music
Episode 256 | HBO Max "Billy Joel And So It Goes" Interview with Executive Producer, Steve Cohen - Part 1: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1v6X33Wu3IPCczl0uL4SvN?si=cc53ba405c254126
Episode 264 | Billy Joel: Telling the Story Behind the Musician (with Jessica Levin): https://open.spotify.com/episode/5GRU4wDlnYa9cmXBAo3eKz?si=1d721c5270ed4a37
00:00 — Welcome + Susan Lacy Intro
05:38 — Journalism roots and learning the value of truth
08:55 — Breaking into PBS (Channel 13) and the art of public television
12:06 — Launching a cultural institution: American Masters in 1986
22:08 — HBO era + Directing Debut
32:16 — Billy Joel: And So It Goes Documentary
43:00 — Interview + Story Tips
57:12 — Final thoughts, American history
Sponsor: Virgil Films http://www.virgilfilms.com/
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In this episode of Documentary First, host Christian Taylor welcomes back Emmy-nominated director and producer Nicholas (Nick) Bruckman for his third visit to the show. Together, they pull back the curtain on the real world of documentary filmmaking—from getting into top festivals like Sundance and Tribeca, to navigating labs and markets, to landing a doc on Netflix.
Nick shares how his early narrative feature Valley of Saints got into Sundance off a “cold” submission, and how he’s since used programs like Gotham Week, Film Independent’s labs, and Tribeca’s Creators Market to build meaningful relationships with programmers and industry partners. He breaks down his rough-cut screening process (including Google forms and phone-watching “tells”) and explains why being radically open to feedback is one of the most powerful tools a filmmaker has.
Christian and Nick also dive into Minted: The Rise and Fall of the NFT, exploring why that film became Netflix’s “definitive” NFT documentary—and what that reveals about marketplace demands, cultural buzz, and why some critically acclaimed films (Not Going Quietly) still don’t land on major streamers.
The conversation then turns to Nick’s latest four-part docuseries, The Price of Milk, which premiered at Tribeca. Christian shares her strong personal reaction to the series, especially its portrayal of small family dairy farmers and the government “checkoff” program that was supposed to support them. Nick unpacks the hidden story behind the “Got Milk?” campaign, how money flows from farmers to industry groups, and why transparency, policy, and political engagement matter more than simply switching what’s in your grocery cart.
Finally, Nick reveals how Oatly helped fund The Price of Milk while still allowing full editorial independence—and offers practical advice for filmmakers on working with brands, nonprofits, and mission-aligned partners to get ambitious projects made and seen. He closes with a DocuView Déjà Vu recommendation: Secret Mall Apartment, a doc that not only tells a wild story but also models what’s possible with clever, independent distribution outside traditional gatekeepers.
Links:
Minted - on Netflix & Prime Video, IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt27548035/?ref_=fn_all_ttl_1
Valley of Saints - on Prime Video, IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2088967/?ref_=fn_all_ttl_3
Catapult Film Find: Catapult Film Fund
Gotham Week: Gotham Week
TriBeca X: Tribeca X
Peoples TV: People's Television
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Secret Mall Apartment, 2024, 91 mins, Watch on Prime Video, IMDB Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21221386/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_in_0_q_secret%2520mal
00:00 Introduction to Documentary Filmmaking
03:31 Navigating Film Festivals
09:50 The Importance of Feedback in Filmmaking
16:04 Getting Projects on Netflix
21:58 Understanding Market Demands in Documentary Filmmaking
27:47 Exploring 'The Price of Milk'
34:13 The Role of Government in Dairy Industry
42:05 Funding Documentaries: A New Approach
47:13 Collaborating with Brands for Storytelling
54:06 Conclusion and Recommendations
Sponsor: Virgil Films http://www.virgilfilms.com/
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In this episode of Documentary First, Christian sits down with filmmaker Jessica Levin, co-director and producer of the Critics Choice Documentary Awards in the Best Music Documentary-nominated HBO documentary Billy Joel: And So It Goes. Jessica shares what it was like to tell the story of Billy Joel—not just as a legendary musician, but as a human being full of depth, contradiction, humor, and heart.
Together, they explore the craft of music documentary filmmaking: how to build trust during intimate interviews, how to follow emotional truth rather than timeline, and how music itself can become the spine of a narrative. Jessica opens up about the collaborative process behind shaping the film’s nonlinear structure, as well as the responsibility that comes with telling a story about someone the world already feels like they know.
Whether you are a filmmaker, a musician, or someone whose life has ever been held by a song — this conversation is creative, heartfelt, and filled with insights about storytelling, memory, and what it means to truly listen.
Links:
American Masters: American Masters (TV Series 1985– ) - Reference view - IMDb
Billy Joel: And So It Goes: Billy Joel: And So It Goes (TV Mini Series 2025) - Reference view - IMDb
Inventing David Geffen: "American Masters" Inventing David Geffen (TV Episode 2012) - Reference view - IMDb
Joni Mitchell: A Women of Heart and Mind: "American Masters" Joni Mitchell: A Woman of Heart and Mind (TV Episode 2003) - Reference view - IMDb
The Janes: The Janes (2022) - Reference view - IMDb
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The Andy Warhol Diaries, 2022, Limited Series with 6 episodes, watch on Netflix, IMDB Link: The Andy Warhol Diaries (TV Mini Series 2022) - Reference view - IMDb
00:00 — Opening Reflections
02:54 — Early Relationships and Artistic Roots
05:31 — Balancing Myth and Humanity
08:19 — Creating Space for Vulnerability in Interviews
11:06 — Collaboration as Creative Strength
13:50 — Following Emotional Truth, Not Just Timeline
16:38 — How Personal Relationships Shape Art
19:15 — Challenges of Documenting a Cultural Icon
22:03 — Crafting a Nonlinear Story Structure
24:55 — The Reality of Producing a Major Music Documentary
27:42 — Audience Reaction and Cultural Memory
30:14 — Tracking Billy Joel’s Musical Influences
33:02 — What Makes His Music Resonant
36:46 — Lyrics as Self-Understanding
40:06 — Love, Loss, and the Songs Between
42:49 — Building Trust On and Off Camera
47:34 — Leadership in Storytelling
51:26 — Scoring the Emotional Arc
56:01 — Why Structure Matters
58:59 — Personal Growth Through Filmmaking
1:02:01 — Final Thoughts & Recommendations
Sponsor: Virgil Films http://www.virgilfilms.com/
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In this episode of Documentary First, return guest filmmaker Elise Jaffe, first-time director of documentary project: UnScarred, and special guest, Stacie Rae Weir, a tattoo artist and breast-cancer previvor featured in the film join us!
UnScarred explores how survivors of trauma and illness—those living with scars from breast cancer, self-harm, and other life-altering experiences—reclaim their bodies and identities through the art of tattooing. Elise and Stacie share powerful personal stories of healing and transformation, and share what it takes to fund and finish an independent documentary in today’s filmmaking landscape.
Together, they unpack the real-world lessons behind UnScarred’s ongoing Kickstarter campaign. Stacie Rae also shares her journey from mastectomy to artistry—and how she’s now offering a personal tattoo session perk as part of one of the Kickstarter rewards to help bring this story to life.
This episode is not only an inspiring look at art, trauma, and recovery—it’s a practical, candid conversation every documentary filmmaker should hear.
Links:
Kickstarter:
D-Word: The D-Word: the worldwide community of documentary professionals
Bri Castellini : Bri Castellini
Stacie-Rae: Home | Stacie-Rae | Calgary, AB
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Timecodes:
00:00 — Welcome & Introduction to UnScarred
05:15 — The Origins of the Film: Inspiration During the Pandemic
10:27 — The Power of Tattoos in Healing and Identity
17:42 — Introducing Stacie Rae Weir: Artist, Survivor, and Healer
24:52 — From Mastectomy to Masterpiece: Stacie Rae’s Journey
29:51 — Tattoos as Therapy: The Collaboration Between Artist and Survivor
33:10 — The Art of Crowdfunding: Lessons for Independent Filmmakers
35:04 — Behind the Scenes of UnScarred’s Kickstarter Campaign
39:26 — The Pros and Cons of Crowdfunding for Filmmakers
44:48 — Building Community Support for Independent Films
46:33 — Transformation Through Art & What’s Next for UnScarred
Sponsor: Virgil Films http://www.virgilfilms.com/
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In this episode of Documentary First, filmmaker Josh Roush opens up about his deeply personal journey creating the documentary Long Lonesome Highway, a heartfelt tribute to legendary actor Michael Parks. Josh reflects on his friendship with Parks, the creative decisions behind the film, and the challenges of navigating distribution, budgeting, and fair use of archival footage.
The conversation dives into Parks’ multifaceted talent, his artistic integrity, and the lessons learned from a career defined by both triumph and adversity. Together, we explore how passion fuels storytelling, the power of documentaries to preserve legacies, and the importance of resilience in the face of obstacles.
This episode is not just about one film—it’s about what it takes to make art that matters.
Links:
Josh Roush Narrative Film - IMDB Link: Wrong Reasons (2022) - Reference view - IMDb
DocuView Déjà Vu Recommendation:
Burden of Dreams by Werner Herzog, 1982, 95 mins, Watch on Amazon Prime, IMDB Link: Burden of Dreams (1982) - Reference view - IMDb
Timecodes:
00:00 Final Thoughts and Future Endeavors
09:25 Navigating Challenges in Filmmaking
10:20 The Influence of Michael Parks
11:31 Building a Unique Relationship
13:47 The Value of Listening to Elders
14:26 Uncovering Stories from the Past
16:40 The Genesis of a Documentary Idea
18:02 Family Dynamics in Storytelling
18:54 The Kevin Smith Connection
20:58 The Role of Fair Use in Documentary Filmmaking
25:46 The Use of Music and Soundtrack
28:02 Budgeting and Financial Realities of Filmmaking
29:29 Personal Reflections on Filmmaking
34:45 Lessons from Michael Parks' Life
41:02 Legacy and Impact of Michael
42:12 Documentary Recommendations and Insights
43:33 Teaser Video
44:18 Documentary First promo
Sponsor: Virgil Films http://www.virgilfilms.com/
Support us by buying merch or watching our films: https://documentaryfirst.com/