Charles de Jager — aka "The Hunter," founder of Energy Credit Consulting joined the guys to break down what's actually saving developers money now that federal incentives like 179D and 45L have been gutted by the One Big Beautiful Bill. He walks through how his team finds millions per project by running hundreds of energy models and challenging "default" specs like triple-pane windows, continuous exterior insulation, and the rush to go all-electric (including the "All-Electric Trap" where heat pump water heaters score worse than a simple Navien tankless).  They also play a round of Marc's favorite game - Overrated/Underrated/Appropriately rated covering solar panels, ducted heat pumps, battery storage, and the political risk hanging over MassSave incentives.