<p>Recorded live at the Daniel Energy Partners Thrive Conference, hosts David de Roode and Victoria Beard Queen sit down with Jackson Wise, CEO of Signal Peak Silica, and world-class pit master, to unpack the realities of the modern sand business and what it takes to lead through cycles. Wise shares his unconventional path from Enron and investment banking with the infamous Simmons &amp; Company to operating one of the largest regional frac sand platforms in the U.S., along with the hard lessons learned during Signal Peak’s 2019 turnaround.</p><p><br></p><p>The conversation dives into how regionalization has reshaped the sand market, why delivered cost and logistics matter more than brand, and how consolidation and capital discipline are defining the future of the sector. Wise also reflects on leadership, mentorship, building high‑trust teams, and why barbecue, community, and culture still play an outsized role in oil &amp; gas today.</p><p><br></p><p>00:00 Why Oil And Gas Matters</p><p>00:36 Podcast And Sponsors</p><p>01:59 Live From Thrive Conference</p><p>03:14 Meet Jackson Wise</p><p>03:40 Early Career And Enron</p><p>05:52 BP MBA And Simmons</p><p>07:17 Simmons Culture Lessons</p><p>09:34 Leaving Banking To Operate</p><p>11:38 Mentorship And Leadership</p><p>13:16 Signal Peak In 30 Seconds</p><p>15:49 Turnaround And Team Building</p><p>17:24 Sand Consolidation Strategy</p><p>20:06 How The Sand Market Changed</p><p>22:47 Plant Costs Then And Now</p><p>24:17 Wet Versus Dry Sand</p><p>25:36 Wet Sand Reality Check</p><p>26:15 How Heavy Is Sand</p><p>27:14 Logistics And Truck Staging</p><p>28:59 Pitching SPS Value</p><p>30:57 Five To Ten Year Vision</p><p>32:48 Barbecue And Oilfield Culture</p><p>34:53 Winning At Pebble Beach</p><p>38:21 Cookoff Community And Team</p><p>42:27 Career Wisdom And Wrap</p>