This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by the book, <a href="https://a.co/d/1dyXMbr">"Finding Jesus"</a>, by Herb Montgomery. Check it out here.In this episode, Jason speaks to author and <a href="https://this-is-not-church-podcast.simplecast.com/episodes/what-to-believe-a-conversation-with-john-d-caputo-yJYV18pt" target="_blank">"This is Not Church" </a>podcaster Jon Turney about the isolation of deconstruction and finding answers when they seem hard to come by. Be sure to check out Jon's new book <a href="https://a.co/d/0NSlIcr">"RJ the Astronaut" </a>available on February 13, 2024!You can follow Jon's posts on <a href="https://www.facebook.com/jonturney.unpastor/">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/JDT1970">Twitter</a>, and <a href="https://www.instagram.com/the_unpastor/">Instagram</a>.While you're there, please follow our show on <a href="https://www.facebook.com/messyspiritualitypodcast">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/messyspiritpod">Twitter</a>, and <a href="https://www.instagram.com/messyspiritualitypodcast/">Instagram</a> as well.Each episode of The Messy Spirituality Podcast is expertly engineered by <a href="https://m.me/ThePodcastDr">The Podcast Doctor</a> Eric Howell. If you're thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on <a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075353155419" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/spellbound_shears" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/hellotherelola" target="_blank">TikTok</a>You can find Kyle on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/kyleb23" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/kyle_butler23" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/kyle_talks" target="_blank">TikTok</a>.You can find Jason on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/bartenderofgrace" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/beingjasonelam" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="http://beingjasonelam.threads.net/" target="_blank">Threads</a> (because he's way too old for TikTok).Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on <a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075353155419" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/spellbound_shears" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/hellotherelola" target="_blank">TikTok</a>You can find Kyle on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/kyleb23" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/kyle_butler23" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/kyle_talks" target="_blank">TikTok</a>.You can find Jason on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/bartenderofgrace" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/beingjasonelam" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="http://beingjasonelam.threads.net/" target="_blank">Threads</a> (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwAotD-qZGePhBGLQ28x3A" target="_blank">Youtube</a> channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/387192032180500" target="_blank">Messy Conversations</a> group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!

<description>&lt;p&gt;This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by the book, &lt;a href="https://a.co/d/1dyXMbr"&gt;"Finding Jesus"&lt;/a&gt;, by Herb Montgomery. Check it out here.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Jason speaks to author and &lt;a href="https://this-is-not-church-podcast.simplecast.com/episodes/what-to-believe-a-conversation-with-john-d-caputo-yJYV18pt" target="_blank"&gt;"This is Not Church" &lt;/a&gt;podcaster Jon Turney about the isolation of deconstruction and finding answers when they seem hard to come by. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Be sure to check out Jon's new book &lt;a href="https://a.co/d/0NSlIcr"&gt;"RJ the Astronaut" &lt;/a&gt;available on February 13, 2024!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can follow Jon's posts on &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/jonturney.unpastor/"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/JDT1970"&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/the_unpastor/"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;While you're there, please follow our show on &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/messyspiritualitypodcast"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/messyspiritpod"&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/messyspiritualitypodcast/"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt; as well.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Each episode of The Messy Spirituality Podcast is expertly engineered by &lt;a href="https://m.me/ThePodcastDr"&gt;The Podcast Doctor&lt;/a&gt; Eric Howell. If you're thinking of starting a podcast you need to connect with Eric!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Connect with the crew&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Lola on &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075353155419" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/spellbound_shears" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/hellotherelola" target="_blank"&gt;TikTok&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Kyle on &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/kyleb23" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/kyle_butler23" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/kyle_talks" target="_blank"&gt;TikTok&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Jason on &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/bartenderofgrace" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/beingjasonelam" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://beingjasonelam.threads.net/" target="_blank"&gt;Threads&lt;/a&gt; (because he's way too old for TikTok).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Connect with the crew&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Lola on &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075353155419" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/spellbound_shears" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/hellotherelola" target="_blank"&gt;TikTok&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Kyle on &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/kyleb23" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/kyle_butler23" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/kyle_talks" target="_blank"&gt;TikTok&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Jason on &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/bartenderofgrace" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/beingjasonelam" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://beingjasonelam.threads.net/" target="_blank"&gt;Threads&lt;/a&gt; (because he's way too old for TikTok).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Be sure to check out our &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwAotD-qZGePhBGLQ28x3A" target="_blank"&gt;Youtube&lt;/a&gt; channel.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also, please join the conversation over on our &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/387192032180500" target="_blank"&gt;Messy Conversations&lt;/a&gt; group on FB!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>

In this episode, Jason speaks to author and "This is Not Church" podcaster Jon Turney about the isolation of deconstruction and finding answers when they seem hard to come by.

Deconstructing in Space with Jon Turney

This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by the <a href="https://snarkyfaith.com/" target="_blank">Snarky Faith</a> podcast. Stuart Delony does a great job with this podcast. Check it out today!In this episode, Kyle, Lola, and Jason discuss how their faith deconstruction has changed them as human beings
Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on <a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075353155419" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/spellbound_shears" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/hellotherelola" target="_blank">TikTok</a>You can find Kyle on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/kyleb23" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/kyle_butler23" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/kyle_talks" target="_blank">TikTok</a>.You can find Jason on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/bartenderofgrace" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/beingjasonelam" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="http://beingjasonelam.threads.net/" target="_blank">Threads</a> (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwAotD-qZGePhBGLQ28x3A" target="_blank">Youtube</a> channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/387192032180500" target="_blank">Messy Conversations</a> group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!

<description>&lt;p&gt;This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by the &lt;a href="https://snarkyfaith.com/" target="_blank"&gt;Snarky Faith&lt;/a&gt; podcast. Stuart Delony does a great job with this podcast. Check it out today!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Kyle, Lola, and Jason discuss how their faith deconstruction has changed them as human beings&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Connect with the crew&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Lola on &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075353155419" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/spellbound_shears" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/hellotherelola" target="_blank"&gt;TikTok&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Kyle on &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/kyleb23" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/kyle_butler23" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/kyle_talks" target="_blank"&gt;TikTok&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Jason on &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/bartenderofgrace" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/beingjasonelam" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://beingjasonelam.threads.net/" target="_blank"&gt;Threads&lt;/a&gt; (because he's way too old for TikTok).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Be sure to check out our &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwAotD-qZGePhBGLQ28x3A" target="_blank"&gt;Youtube&lt;/a&gt; channel.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also, please join the conversation over on our &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/387192032180500" target="_blank"&gt;Messy Conversations&lt;/a&gt; group on FB!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>

In this episode, Kyle, Lola, and Jason discuss how their faith deconstruction has changed them as human beings.

Has Deconstruction Made You a Better Human?

This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by <a href="https://www.reframingourstories.com/podcastlisten">Reframing Our Stories</a>. Check them out!This episode is also brought to you <a href="http://www.peacefulwarriorcoffee.com/">Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co</a> where you can order single-origin coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped on the same day. Shipping to USA addresses is always free. Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order!In this episode, Jason talks with Rob Bell about seeing the world as a temple, humanity's big "Why?", and the art of storytelling.Rob Bell is a bestselling author, international teacher, and highly sought after public speaker. His books include The New York Times bestsellers What Is the Bible?, What We Talk About When We Talk About God, Love Wins, as well as The Zimzum of Love, Velvet Elvis, Sex God, Jesus Wants to Save Christians, and Drops Like Stars.He also happens to be one of the best communicators on the planet. At age 28, Rob founded Mars Hill Bible Church in Michigan, and under his leadership it was one of the fastest-growing churches in America. In 2011, he was profiled in Time Magazine as one of their 100 most influential people. He was featured on Oprah's 2014 Life You Want Tour and will be speaking at venues around the world in 2015 on the Everything is Spiritual Tour. Rob and his wife Kristen have three children and live in Los Angeles.You can pick up a copy of Rob's latest book, <a href="https://a.co/d/cpk9bYX">Where'd You Park Your Spaceship?</a>. It's simultaneously hilarious, hopeful, and terrifying. It really is an incredible read!Be sure to check out Rob's <a href="https://robbell.com/podcast/">podcast</a>, <a href="http://www.robbell.com">website</a>, and <a href="https://robbell.com/event/2-days-in-ojai/">Two Days in Ojai</a> events (as discussed in this conversation).Follow the crew:You can find Lola on <a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075353155419" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/spellbound_shears" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/hellotherelola" target="_blank">TikTok</a>You can find Kyle on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/kyleb23" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/kyle_butler23" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/kyle_talks" target="_blank">TikTok</a>.You can find Jason on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/bartenderofgrace" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/beingjasonelam" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="http://beingjasonelam.threads.net/" target="_blank">Threads</a> (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwAotD-qZGePhBGLQ28x3A" target="_blank">Youtube</a> channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/387192032180500" target="_blank">Messy Conversations</a> group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on <a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075353155419" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/spellbound_shears" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/hellotherelola" target="_blank">TikTok</a>You can find Kyle on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/kyleb23" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/kyle_butler23" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/kyle_talks" target="_blank">TikTok</a>.You can find Jason on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/bartenderofgrace" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/beingjasonelam" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="http://beingjasonelam.threads.net/" target="_blank">Threads</a> (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwAotD-qZGePhBGLQ28x3A" target="_blank">Youtube</a> channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/387192032180500" target="_blank">Messy Conversations</a> group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!

<description>&lt;p&gt;This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by &lt;a href="https://www.reframingourstories.com/podcastlisten"&gt;Reframing Our Stories&lt;/a&gt;. Check them out!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This episode is also brought to you &lt;a href="http://www.peacefulwarriorcoffee.com/"&gt;Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co&lt;/a&gt; where you can order single-origin coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped on the same day. Shipping to USA addresses is always free. Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Jason talks with Rob Bell about seeing the world as a temple, humanity's big "Why?", and the art of storytelling.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Rob Bell is a bestselling author, international teacher, and highly sought after public speaker. His books include The New York Times bestsellers What Is the Bible?, What We Talk About When We Talk About God, Love Wins, as well as The Zimzum of Love, Velvet Elvis, Sex God, Jesus Wants to Save Christians, and Drops Like Stars.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;He also happens to be one of the best communicators on the planet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At age 28, Rob founded Mars Hill Bible Church in Michigan, and under his leadership it was one of the fastest-growing churches in America. In 2011, he was profiled in Time Magazine as one of their 100 most influential people. He was featured on Oprah's 2014 Life You Want Tour and will be speaking at venues around the world in 2015 on the Everything is Spiritual Tour. Rob and his wife Kristen have three children and live in Los Angeles.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can pick up a copy of Rob's latest book, &lt;a href="https://a.co/d/cpk9bYX"&gt;Where'd You Park Your Spaceship?&lt;/a&gt;. It's simultaneously hilarious, hopeful, and terrifying. It really is an incredible read!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Be sure to check out Rob's &lt;a href="https://robbell.com/podcast/"&gt;podcast&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.robbell.com"&gt;website&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://robbell.com/event/2-days-in-ojai/"&gt;Two Days in Ojai&lt;/a&gt; events (as discussed in this conversation).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Follow the crew&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Lola on &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075353155419" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/spellbound_shears" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/hellotherelola" target="_blank"&gt;TikTok&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Kyle on &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/kyleb23" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/kyle_butler23" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/kyle_talks" target="_blank"&gt;TikTok&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Jason on &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/bartenderofgrace" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/beingjasonelam" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://beingjasonelam.threads.net/" target="_blank"&gt;Threads&lt;/a&gt; (because he's way too old for TikTok).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Be sure to check out our &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwAotD-qZGePhBGLQ28x3A" target="_blank"&gt;Youtube&lt;/a&gt; channel.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also, please join the conversation over on our &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/387192032180500" target="_blank"&gt;Messy Conversations&lt;/a&gt; group on FB!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!&lt;/p&gt;
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In this episode, Jason talks with Rob Bell about seeing the whole world as a temple, humanity's big "Why?", and the art of storytelling.

Love, Bread and Spaceships with Rob Bell

This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by <a href="https://a.co/d/avG9SoQ">Augmented-a Science Fiction Anthology</a> from Quoir.This episode is also brought to you <a href="http://www.peacefulwarriorcoffee.com/">Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co</a> where you can order single-origin coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped on the same day. Shipping to USA addresses is always free. Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order!In this episode, Jason talks with author and public theologian Dillon Naber Cruz about his journey from the Marines to pacifism, the war in Israel/Palestine, the Trump effect on Evangelicalism, Christian Nationalism, and a lot more.Check out Dillon's incredible new book, <a href="https://a.co/d/hojmQez">Theological Musings</a>. It's really phenomenal!You can connect with Dillon on <a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100092319656921">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/CruzControl72">X</a>, and via his <a href="https://tattooed-theologian.com/">website</a>.Follow the Messy Spirituality crew:You can find Lola on <a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075353155419" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/spellbound_shears" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/hellotherelola" target="_blank">TikTok</a>You can find Kyle on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/kyleb23" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/kyle_butler23" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/kyle_talks" target="_blank">TikTok</a>.You can find Jason on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/bartenderofgrace" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/beingjasonelam" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="http://beingjasonelam.threads.net/" target="_blank">Threads</a> (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwAotD-qZGePhBGLQ28x3A" target="_blank">Youtube</a> channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/387192032180500" target="_blank">Messy Conversations</a> group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on <a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075353155419" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/spellbound_shears" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/hellotherelola" target="_blank">TikTok</a>You can find Kyle on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/kyleb23" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/kyle_butler23" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/kyle_talks" target="_blank">TikTok</a>.You can find Jason on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/bartenderofgrace" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/beingjasonelam" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="http://beingjasonelam.threads.net/" target="_blank">Threads</a> (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwAotD-qZGePhBGLQ28x3A" target="_blank">Youtube</a> channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/387192032180500" target="_blank">Messy Conversations</a> group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!

<description>&lt;p&gt;This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by &lt;a href="https://a.co/d/avG9SoQ"&gt;Augmented-a Science Fiction Anthology&lt;/a&gt; from Quoir.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This episode is also brought to you &lt;a href="http://www.peacefulwarriorcoffee.com/"&gt;Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co&lt;/a&gt; where you can order single-origin coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped on the same day. Shipping to USA addresses is always free. Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Jason talks with author and public theologian Dillon Naber Cruz about his journey from the Marines to pacifism, the war in Israel/Palestine, the Trump effect on Evangelicalism, Christian Nationalism, and a lot more.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Check out Dillon's incredible new book, &lt;a href="https://a.co/d/hojmQez"&gt;Theological Musings&lt;/a&gt;. It's really phenomenal!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can connect with Dillon on &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100092319656921"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/CruzControl72"&gt;X&lt;/a&gt;, and via his &lt;a href="https://tattooed-theologian.com/"&gt;website&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Follow the Messy Spirituality crew&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Lola on &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075353155419" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/spellbound_shears" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/hellotherelola" target="_blank"&gt;TikTok&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Kyle on &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/kyleb23" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/kyle_butler23" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/kyle_talks" target="_blank"&gt;TikTok&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Jason on &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/bartenderofgrace" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/beingjasonelam" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://beingjasonelam.threads.net/" target="_blank"&gt;Threads&lt;/a&gt; (because he's way too old for TikTok).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Be sure to check out our &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwAotD-qZGePhBGLQ28x3A" target="_blank"&gt;Youtube&lt;/a&gt; channel.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also, please join the conversation over on our &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/387192032180500" target="_blank"&gt;Messy Conversations&lt;/a&gt; group on FB!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Connect with the crew&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Lola on &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075353155419" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/spellbound_shears" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/hellotherelola" target="_blank"&gt;TikTok&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Kyle on &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/kyleb23" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/kyle_butler23" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/kyle_talks" target="_blank"&gt;TikTok&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can find Jason on &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/bartenderofgrace" target="_blank"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/beingjasonelam" target="_blank"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://beingjasonelam.threads.net/" target="_blank"&gt;Threads&lt;/a&gt; (because he's way too old for TikTok).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Be sure to check out our &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwAotD-qZGePhBGLQ28x3A" target="_blank"&gt;Youtube&lt;/a&gt; channel.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also, please join the conversation over on our &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/387192032180500" target="_blank"&gt;Messy Conversations&lt;/a&gt; group on FB!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>

In this episode, Jason talks with author and public theologian Dillon Naber Cruz about his journey from the Marines to pacifism, the war in Israel/Palestine, the Trump effect on Evangelicalism, Christian Nationalism, and a lot more.

From Marine to Pacifist with Dillon Naber Cruz

This Quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by <a href="https://a.co/d/9jKV8HO">The Wages of Grace</a> by Brandon Dragan. Get your copy today!This episode is also brought to you <a href="http://www.peacefulwarriorcoffee.com/">Peaceful Warrior Coffee Co</a> where you can order single-origin coffee beans from around the world that are roasted and shipped on the same day. Shipping to USA addresses is always free. Use code "Messy" for 15% off your first order!In this episode, Lola, Kyle, and Jason discuss the fascination with martyrs within Evangelicalism and other world religions. Could this idolization of those willing to pay the ultimate price for their faith be unhealthy?Connect with the crew:You can find Lola on <a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075353155419" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/spellbound_shears" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/hellotherelola" target="_blank">TikTok</a>You can find Kyle on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/kyleb23" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/kyle_butler23" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.tiktok.com/kyle_talks" target="_blank">TikTok</a>.You can find Jason on <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.facebook.com/bartenderofgrace" target="_blank">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://open.acast.com/shows/629f7b4156d08200124fb866/episodes/www.instagram.com/beingjasonelam" target="_blank">Instagram</a>, and <a href="http://beingjasonelam.threads.net/" target="_blank">Threads</a> (because he's way too old for TikTok).Be sure to check out our <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKwAotD-qZGePhBGLQ28x3A" target="_blank">Youtube</a> channel.Also, please join the conversation over on our <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/387192032180500" target="_blank">Messy Conversations</a> group on FB!Thanks for listening! Please leave us a rating or review and subscribe or follow the show on your platform of choice!
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In this episode, Lola, Kyle, and Jason discuss the fascination with martyrs within Evangelicalism and other world religions. Could this idolization of those willing to pay the ultimate price for their faith be unhealthy?

No More Martyrs

Hosted by Lola Robbins, Kyle Butler, and Jason Elam, The Messy Spirituality Podcast features conversations about life, God, spirituality, and becoming a better human. <a target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href="https://open.acast.com/public/patreon/fanSubscribe/8793602">Get bonus content on Patreon</a> <hr> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.

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