At the 2025 Cascade PBS Ideas Festival, we asked attendees to share their thoughts about what's going on in our city and the nation.
The Cascade PBS newsroom used this year’s Ideas Festival as a chance to engage directly with our audience. A few of our <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/news/2025/06/share-your-story-ideas-festival-guests-talk-trump-trees-housing/">journalists hosted a “Share Your Story” table</a>, encouraging attendees to sit and discuss whatever was on their minds. 
In this bonus episode of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival podcast, hear directly from festivalgoers on issues affecting the Seattle community. People share their perspectives on the state of housing in the city, the increasing cost of living in the United States and the impact of President Donald Trump’s second term. Plus, hear a little more from Mike Pesca, host of The Gist podcast, on <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/podcasts/cascade-pbs-ideas-festival/2025/07/jake-tapper-and-alex-thompson-defend-claims-on-bidens-decline/">his session about the alleged coverup of Biden’s health decline</a>. 
These conversations were recorded on May 31, 2025. 
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Credits
Host: <a href="https://crosscut.com/author/paris-jackson">Paris Jackson</a>
Producers: <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sireen/">Sireen Abayazid</a>, <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sara-bernard">Sara Bernard</a>
Live interview producers: <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sireen/">Sireen Abayazid</a>, <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/ryan-famuliner/">Ryan Famuliner</a>, David Lee
Event producers: Jake Newman, Anne O'Dowd
---
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<description>
 &lt;p&gt;At the 2025 Cascade PBS Ideas Festival, we asked attendees to share their thoughts about what's going on in our city and the nation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Cascade PBS newsroom used this year’s Ideas Festival as a chance to engage directly with our audience. A few of our &lt;a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/news/2025/06/share-your-story-ideas-festival-guests-talk-trump-trees-housing/"&gt;journalists hosted a “Share Your Story” table&lt;/a&gt;, encouraging attendees to sit and discuss whatever was on their minds. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In this bonus episode of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival podcast, hear directly from festivalgoers on issues affecting the Seattle community. People share their perspectives on the state of housing in the city, the increasing cost of living in the United States and the impact of President Donald Trump’s second term. Plus, hear a little more from Mike Pesca, host of &lt;em&gt;The Gist&lt;/em&gt; podcast, on &lt;a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/podcasts/cascade-pbs-ideas-festival/2025/07/jake-tapper-and-alex-thompson-defend-claims-on-bidens-decline/"&gt;his session about the alleged coverup of Biden’s health decline&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These conversations were recorded on May 31, 2025. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;---&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Credits&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Host: &lt;a href="https://crosscut.com/author/paris-jackson"&gt;Paris Jackson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Producers: &lt;a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sireen/"&gt;Sireen Abayazid&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sara-bernard"&gt;Sara Bernard&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Live interview producers: &lt;a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sireen/"&gt;Sireen Abayazid&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/ryan-famuliner/"&gt;Ryan Famuliner&lt;/a&gt;, David Lee&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Event producers: Jake Newman, Anne O'Dowd&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;---&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;If you would like to support Cascade PBS, go to &lt;a href="https://secure.cascadepublicmedia.org/page/133995/donate/1?appType=undefined&amp;amp;app_type=web&amp;amp;_gl=1*7d3jgu*_ga*MTg0MTMxMzA1NS4xNzA5NzY1MzQ2*_ga_70LNVYDG8V*MTcxNDgzNzcyOC40LjAuMTcxNDgzNzcyOC42MC4wLjA."&gt;cascadepbs.org&lt;/a&gt;. In addition to supporting our events and our daily journalism, members receive complete access to the on-demand programming of Cascade PBS.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
 </description>

What's on Seattle's mind? Trump, housing & the high cost of living

At the 2025 Cascade PBS Ideas Festival, we asked attendees to share their thoughts about what's going on in our city and the nation.

The Cascade PBS newsroom used this year’s Ideas Festival as a chance to engage directly with our audience. A few of our <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/news/2025/06/share-your-story-ideas-festival-guests-talk-trump-trees-housing/">journalists hosted a “Share Your Story” table</a>, encouraging attendees to sit and discuss whatever was on their minds. 

In this bonus episode of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival podcast, hear directly from festivalgoers on issues affecting the Seattle community. People share their perspectives on the state of housing in the city, the increasing cost of living in the United States and the impact of President Donald Trump’s second term. Plus, hear a little more from Mike Pesca, host of The Gist podcast, on <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/podcasts/cascade-pbs-ideas-festival/2025/07/jake-tapper-and-alex-thompson-defend-claims-on-bidens-decline/">his session about the alleged coverup of Biden’s health decline</a>. 

These conversations were recorded on May 31, 2025. 

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Credits

Host: <a href="https://crosscut.com/author/paris-jackson">Paris Jackson</a>

Producers: <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sireen/">Sireen Abayazid</a>, <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sara-bernard">Sara Bernard</a>

Live interview producers: <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sireen/">Sireen Abayazid</a>, <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/ryan-famuliner/">Ryan Famuliner</a>, David Lee

Event producers: Jake Newman, Anne O'Dowd

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In a live taping of 'Your Last Meal,' Jayapal shares how her experience as an immigrant and an organizer influenced her affinity for world cuisines.
U.S. Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal has represented Washington’s 7th district since 2016. A prominent member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, she focuses on immigration, income inequality and access to health care, among other priorities. 
But as part of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival in late May, Jayapal took the stage with Rachel Belle, host of the Cascade PBS podcast <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/podcasts/your-last-meal/">Your Last Meal</a>, to talk – mostly – about food. 
In this episode of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival podcast, the two discuss why Jayapal still considers herself more activist than politician; why food is such a big part of organizing; Jayapal’s favorite foods growing up and what food she missed when she moved to the U.S. at age 16; and the strong relationship between the food Americans take for granted and the immigrants who brought it here.  
This conversation was recorded on May 31, 2025. 
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Credits
Host: <a href="https://crosscut.com/author/paris-jackson">Paris Jackson</a>
Producer: <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sara-bernard">Sara Bernard</a>, Scot Michael
Production Engineer: Resti Bagcal
Event producers: Jake Newman, Anne O'Dowd
---
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<description>
 &lt;p&gt;In a live taping of 'Your Last Meal,' Jayapal shares how her experience as an immigrant and an organizer influenced her affinity for world cuisines.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;U.S. Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal has represented Washington’s 7th district since 2016. A prominent member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, she focuses on immigration, income inequality and access to health care, among other priorities. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But as part of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival in late May, Jayapal took the stage with Rachel Belle, host of the Cascade PBS podcast &lt;a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/podcasts/your-last-meal/"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Your Last Meal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, to talk – mostly – about food. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In this episode of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival podcast, the two discuss why Jayapal still considers herself more activist than politician; why food is such a big part of organizing; Jayapal’s favorite foods growing up and what food she missed when she moved to the U.S. at age 16; and the strong relationship between the food Americans take for granted and the immigrants who brought it here.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This conversation was recorded on May 31, 2025. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;---&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Credits&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Host: &lt;a href="https://crosscut.com/author/paris-jackson"&gt;Paris Jackson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Producer: &lt;a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sara-bernard"&gt;Sara Bernard&lt;/a&gt;, Scot Michael&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Production Engineer: Resti Bagcal&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Event producers: Jake Newman, Anne O'Dowd&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;---&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;If you would like to support Cascade PBS, go to &lt;a href="https://secure.cascadepublicmedia.org/page/133995/donate/1?appType=undefined&amp;amp;app_type=web&amp;amp;_gl=1*7d3jgu*_ga*MTg0MTMxMzA1NS4xNzA5NzY1MzQ2*_ga_70LNVYDG8V*MTcxNDgzNzcyOC40LjAuMTcxNDgzNzcyOC42MC4wLjA."&gt;cascadepbs.org&lt;/a&gt;. In addition to supporting our events and our daily journalism, members receive complete access to the on-demand programming of Cascade PBS.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
 </description>

U.S. Rep. Pramila Jayapal shares her joy for food and cooking

In a live taping of 'Your Last Meal,' Jayapal shares how her experience as an immigrant and an organizer influenced her affinity for world cuisines.

U.S. Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal has represented Washington’s 7th district since 2016. A prominent member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, she focuses on immigration, income inequality and access to health care, among other priorities. 

But as part of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival in late May, Jayapal took the stage with Rachel Belle, host of the Cascade PBS podcast <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/podcasts/your-last-meal/">Your Last Meal</a>, to talk – mostly – about food. 

In this episode of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival podcast, the two discuss why Jayapal still considers herself more activist than politician; why food is such a big part of organizing; Jayapal’s favorite foods growing up and what food she missed when she moved to the U.S. at age 16; and the strong relationship between the food Americans take for granted and the immigrants who brought it here.  

This conversation was recorded on May 31, 2025. 

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Credits

Host: <a href="https://crosscut.com/author/paris-jackson">Paris Jackson</a>

Producer: <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sara-bernard">Sara Bernard</a>, Scot Michael

Production Engineer: Resti Bagcal

Event producers: Jake Newman, Anne O'Dowd

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In a live taping of The Journal podcast, host Ryan Knutson talks with Steves about the value of travel and Americans’ reception abroad in 2025.
Rick Steves has created one of the most successful travel businesses in the U.S., including guidebooks, European tours and a longstanding TV and radio show. What is it like to run a travel business for American tourists right now, after the pandemic and as the new Trump administration rattles the world order?  
As part of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival in late May, <a href="https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-journal?gaa_at=eafs&amp;gaa_n=ASWzDAhkNzD4k0AxjXMcnrct4R3MA-1H69mI-8AlpKGz9TiWaQjdaupJwMHgPq9a7Zk%3D&amp;gaa_ts=6882c498&amp;gaa_sig=JAXrInu20zS8770H_bPOiV-bWl9DfXJJmuZLwhr02VDAiNLgyfuX9OUHubVGd_3YSIs0KpQX1e1sNfESZTyDug%3D%3D">The Journal </a>podcast host Ryan Knutson took the stage with Steves to discuss these tumultuous times and why Steves believes travel should be a priority for Americans, regardless of recent events. 
In this episode of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival podcast, Knutson and Steves dig into why if everyone traveled before they could vote, “this world would be a much more stable and just and beautiful place”; the impact of the pandemic and social media on European travel; how American travelers are received abroad right now; and why Steves, for one, will be traveling as long as he’s able.  
This conversation was recorded on May 31, 2025. 
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Credits
Host: <a href="https://crosscut.com/author/paris-jackson">Paris Jackson</a>
Producer: <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sara-bernard">Sara Bernard</a>, Scot Michael
Event producers: Jake Newman, Anne O'Dowd
---
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<description>
 &lt;p&gt;In a live taping of &lt;em&gt;The Journal&lt;/em&gt; podcast, host Ryan Knutson talks with Steves about the value of travel and Americans’ reception abroad in 2025.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rick Steves has created one of the most successful travel businesses in the U.S., including guidebooks, European tours and a longstanding TV and radio show. What is it like to run a travel business for American tourists right now, after the pandemic and as the new Trump administration rattles the world order?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As part of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival in late May, &lt;a href="https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-journal?gaa_at=eafs&amp;amp;gaa_n=ASWzDAhkNzD4k0AxjXMcnrct4R3MA-1H69mI-8AlpKGz9TiWaQjdaupJwMHgPq9a7Zk%3D&amp;amp;gaa_ts=6882c498&amp;amp;gaa_sig=JAXrInu20zS8770H_bPOiV-bWl9DfXJJmuZLwhr02VDAiNLgyfuX9OUHubVGd_3YSIs0KpQX1e1sNfESZTyDug%3D%3D"&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Journal &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;podcast host Ryan Knutson took the stage with Steves to discuss these tumultuous times and why Steves believes travel should be a priority for Americans, regardless of recent events. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In this episode of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival podcast, Knutson and Steves dig into why if everyone traveled before they could vote, “this world would be a much more stable and just and beautiful place”; the impact of the pandemic and social media on European travel; how American travelers are received abroad right now; and why Steves, for one, will be traveling as long as he’s able.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This conversation was recorded on May 31, 2025. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;---&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Credits&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Host: &lt;a href="https://crosscut.com/author/paris-jackson"&gt;Paris Jackson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Producer: &lt;a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sara-bernard"&gt;Sara Bernard&lt;/a&gt;, Scot Michael&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Event producers: Jake Newman, Anne O'Dowd&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;---&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;If you would like to support Cascade PBS, go to &lt;a href="https://secure.cascadepublicmedia.org/page/133995/donate/1?appType=undefined&amp;amp;app_type=web&amp;amp;_gl=1*7d3jgu*_ga*MTg0MTMxMzA1NS4xNzA5NzY1MzQ2*_ga_70LNVYDG8V*MTcxNDgzNzcyOC40LjAuMTcxNDgzNzcyOC42MC4wLjA."&gt;cascadepbs.org&lt;/a&gt;. In addition to supporting our events and our daily journalism, members receive complete access to the on-demand programming of Cascade PBS.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
 </description>

Travel guru Rick Steves on why seeing the world makes it a better place

In a live taping of The Journal podcast, host Ryan Knutson talks with Steves about the value of travel and Americans’ reception abroad in 2025.

Rick Steves has created one of the most successful travel businesses in the U.S., including guidebooks, European tours and a longstanding TV and radio show. What is it like to run a travel business for American tourists right now, after the pandemic and as the new Trump administration rattles the world order?  

As part of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival in late May, <a href="https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-journal?gaa_at=eafs&amp;gaa_n=ASWzDAhkNzD4k0AxjXMcnrct4R3MA-1H69mI-8AlpKGz9TiWaQjdaupJwMHgPq9a7Zk%3D&amp;gaa_ts=6882c498&amp;gaa_sig=JAXrInu20zS8770H_bPOiV-bWl9DfXJJmuZLwhr02VDAiNLgyfuX9OUHubVGd_3YSIs0KpQX1e1sNfESZTyDug%3D%3D">The Journal </a>podcast host Ryan Knutson took the stage with Steves to discuss these tumultuous times and why Steves believes travel should be a priority for Americans, regardless of recent events. 

In this episode of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival podcast, Knutson and Steves dig into why if everyone traveled before they could vote, “this world would be a much more stable and just and beautiful place”; the impact of the pandemic and social media on European travel; how American travelers are received abroad right now; and why Steves, for one, will be traveling as long as he’s able.  

This conversation was recorded on May 31, 2025. 

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Credits

Host: <a href="https://crosscut.com/author/paris-jackson">Paris Jackson</a>

Producer: <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sara-bernard">Sara Bernard</a>, Scot Michael

Event producers: Jake Newman, Anne O'Dowd

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In a live taping of the Criminal podcast, host Phoebe Judge speaks with Knox about her new memoir and how a murder accusation redefined her life.
Amanda Knox became a household name when she was convicted, in 2009, of the murder of her roommate while studying abroad in Perugia, Italy. She spent four years in an Italian prison before being exonerated. 
As part of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival in late May, Knox sat down with <a href="https://thisiscriminal.com/">Criminal</a><a href="https://thisiscriminal.com/"> </a>podcast host Phoebe Judge to discuss her new memoir, <a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/amanda-knox/free/9781538770719/">Free: My Search for Meaning</a>. The memoir moves beyond Knox’s story of conviction and acquittal to explore what it’s been like to live under the shadow of the world’s image of her.  
In this episode of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival podcast, Judge and Knox discuss Knox’s experience of being relentlessly interrogated as Italian prosecutors, global tabloids and even her community back in the U.S. sought to define the narrative around her story. Knox also shares what she plans to tell her children about these experiences and her unlikely relationship with the man who prosecuted her case.   
This conversation was recorded on May 31, 2025. 
---
Credits
Host: <a href="https://crosscut.com/author/paris-jackson">Paris Jackson</a>
Producer: <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sara-bernard">Sara Bernard</a>, Scot Michael
Event producers: Jake Newman, Anne O'Dowd
---
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<description>
 &lt;p&gt;In a live taping of the &lt;em&gt;Criminal&lt;/em&gt; podcast, host Phoebe Judge speaks with Knox about her new memoir and how a murder accusation redefined her life.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amanda Knox became a household name when she was convicted, in 2009, of the murder of her roommate while studying abroad in Perugia, Italy. She spent four years in an Italian prison before being exonerated. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As part of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival in late May, Knox sat down with &lt;a href="https://thisiscriminal.com/"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Criminal&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="https://thisiscriminal.com/"&gt; &lt;/a&gt;podcast host Phoebe Judge to discuss her new memoir, &lt;a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/amanda-knox/free/9781538770719/"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Free: My Search for Meaning&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. The memoir moves beyond Knox’s story of conviction and acquittal to explore what it’s been like to live under the shadow of the world’s image of her.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In this episode of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival podcast, Judge and Knox discuss Knox’s experience of being relentlessly interrogated as Italian prosecutors, global tabloids and even her community back in the U.S. sought to define the narrative around her story. Knox also shares what she plans to tell her children about these experiences and her unlikely relationship with the man who prosecuted her case.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This conversation was recorded on May 31, 2025. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;---&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Credits&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Host: &lt;a href="https://crosscut.com/author/paris-jackson"&gt;Paris Jackson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Producer: &lt;a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sara-bernard"&gt;Sara Bernard&lt;/a&gt;, Scot Michael&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Event producers: Jake Newman, Anne O'Dowd&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;---&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;If you would like to support Cascade PBS, go to &lt;a href="https://secure.cascadepublicmedia.org/page/133995/donate/1?appType=undefined&amp;amp;app_type=web&amp;amp;_gl=1*7d3jgu*_ga*MTg0MTMxMzA1NS4xNzA5NzY1MzQ2*_ga_70LNVYDG8V*MTcxNDgzNzcyOC40LjAuMTcxNDgzNzcyOC42MC4wLjA."&gt;cascadepbs.org&lt;/a&gt;. In addition to supporting our events and our daily journalism, members receive complete access to the on-demand programming of Cascade PBS.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
 </description>

Amanda Knox talks wrongful conviction and telling her own story

In a live taping of the Criminal podcast, host Phoebe Judge speaks with Knox about her new memoir and how a murder accusation redefined her life.

Amanda Knox became a household name when she was convicted, in 2009, of the murder of her roommate while studying abroad in Perugia, Italy. She spent four years in an Italian prison before being exonerated. 

As part of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival in late May, Knox sat down with <a href="https://thisiscriminal.com/">Criminal</a><a href="https://thisiscriminal.com/"> </a>podcast host Phoebe Judge to discuss her new memoir, <a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/amanda-knox/free/9781538770719/">Free: My Search for Meaning</a>. The memoir moves beyond Knox’s story of conviction and acquittal to explore what it’s been like to live under the shadow of the world’s image of her.  

In this episode of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival podcast, Judge and Knox discuss Knox’s experience of being relentlessly interrogated as Italian prosecutors, global tabloids and even her community back in the U.S. sought to define the narrative around her story. Knox also shares what she plans to tell her children about these experiences and her unlikely relationship with the man who prosecuted her case.   

This conversation was recorded on May 31, 2025. 

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Host: <a href="https://crosscut.com/author/paris-jackson">Paris Jackson</a>

Producer: <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sara-bernard">Sara Bernard</a>, Scot Michael

Event producers: Jake Newman, Anne O'Dowd

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In a live taping of Radiolab, co-host Latif Nasser and guest Rebecca Lemov discuss prominent examples of indoctrination and their modern implications.
As part of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival in late May, Latif Nasser, co-host of WNYC’s <a href="https://radiolab.org/">Radiolab</a>, sat down with Harvard historian Rebecca Lemov to dig into her new book, <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/782347/the-instability-of-truth-by-rebecca-lemov/">The Instability of Truth: Brainwashing, Mind Control, and Hyper-Persuasion</a>.  
The book chronicles the fascinating and traumatic history of brainwashing – how the term originated, its chilling permutations over the decades and what it could mean now in an age of artificial intelligence.  
In this episode of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival podcast, Nasser and Lemov discuss the origin story of the term, following the experiences of American POWs during the Korean War. They then delve into the remarkable story of the heiress Patricia Hearst, who survived kidnapping and violence by adopting the perspectives of her captors. Finally, they discuss the “mass emotional contagion” of social media events and the AI chatbots with whom many people have formed very real relationships.  
This conversation was recorded on May 31, 2025. 
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Host: <a href="https://crosscut.com/author/paris-jackson">Paris Jackson</a>
Producer: <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sara-bernard">Sara Bernard</a>, Scot Michael
Event producers: Jake Newman, Anne O'Dowd
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 &lt;p&gt;In a live taping of Radiolab, co-host Latif Nasser and guest Rebecca Lemov discuss prominent examples of indoctrination and their modern implications.&lt;/p&gt;
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Harvard historian discusses brainwashing in the digital age

In a live taping of Radiolab, co-host Latif Nasser and guest Rebecca Lemov discuss prominent examples of indoctrination and their modern implications.

As part of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival in late May, Latif Nasser, co-host of WNYC’s <a href="https://radiolab.org/">Radiolab</a>, sat down with Harvard historian Rebecca Lemov to dig into her new book, <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/782347/the-instability-of-truth-by-rebecca-lemov/">The Instability of Truth: Brainwashing, Mind Control, and Hyper-Persuasion</a>.  

The book chronicles the fascinating and traumatic history of brainwashing – how the term originated, its chilling permutations over the decades and what it could mean now in an age of artificial intelligence.  

In this episode of the Cascade PBS Ideas Festival podcast, Nasser and Lemov discuss the origin story of the term, following the experiences of American POWs during the Korean War. They then delve into the remarkable story of the heiress Patricia Hearst, who survived kidnapping and violence by adopting the perspectives of her captors. Finally, they discuss the “mass emotional contagion” of social media events and the AI chatbots with whom many people have formed very real relationships.  

This conversation was recorded on May 31, 2025. 

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Credits

Host: <a href="https://crosscut.com/author/paris-jackson">Paris Jackson</a>

Producer: <a href="https://www.cascadepbs.org/author/sara-bernard">Sara Bernard</a>, Scot Michael

Event producers: Jake Newman, Anne O'Dowd

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