In this episode of the Transactional Analysis Podcast, hosts John Fleming and Joshua Okunlola speak with Rosemary Napper, an Organisational Training & Supervising Transactional Analyst (TSTA-O) also qualified in the Counselling and Education fields, whose work has shaped how many practitioners understand TA in workplaces, systems, and organisational life.This rich conversation explores what TA really offers organisational practitioners beyond ego states, games, and scripts  and why the system itself must be understood as the client, not the individual.Drawing on decades of practice, training, and deep study of Berne’s organisational writings, Rosemary opens up a perspective on TA that is systemic, cultural, and profoundly relevantYou’ll hear them explore:Why conflict in organisations is almost never individual issuesHow structures + system dynamics co-create the character (culture) of a systemWhat Berne actually wrote about organisationsHow culture becomes introjected into people’s Parent and Child ego statesHow organisational games form, evolve, and repeat over decadesThe ethical pitfalls of individualising systemic problemsThe difference between coaching, counselling, psychotherapy, and organisational TA and why it mattersWhat it really takes to create culture change within organisationsGuest InformationRosemary Napper is a Teaching and Supervising Transactional Analyst (Organisational), also qualified in the Counselling and Education fields. She originally trained in psychotherapy and now has over 30 years’ experience working with organisations and complex systems.Rosemary is the Director of TA Works, where she works as a writer, trainer and supervisor across the counselling, educational and organisational fields of TA. Her work focuses on the cultures of systems and the inter-cultural dynamics that shape organisational life. She has also spent decades studying Berne’s original organisational writings and leads a three-year advanced Organisational TA training programme.Support Us Would you like to help keep the podcast accessible for everyone? Join our community of supporters: patreon.com/TransactionalAnalysisPodcastOr leave us a review if you enjoyed this episode - leaving a review allows more people to discover the podcast - scroll down to ratings and reviews on apple podcasts and click: write a review.Your support makes it all possible. Thank you.Follow Us On Social Media:Instagram: @ta_podcastFacebook: podcast.taTikTok: @ta_podcastLinkedin: ta-podcastConnect With [email protected] Thank You To Our PartnersThis podcast is brought to you in partnership with the United Kingdom Association for Transactional Analysis. We’re proud to have the UK Association for Transactional Analysis (UKATA as our Patronage Partner. UKATA is a vibrant professional body committed to supporting the growth and ethical practice of Transactional Analysis in the UK and beyond.They support practitioners, trainees, and the public through professional standards, events, and access to TA education. Learn more at: www.uka4ta.co.ukWe are also supported by the European Association for Transactional Analysis, and our wonderful Patreon supporters.Support the show