THE FLIP SIDE with Andy Mai

Christian Szegedy is a renowned AI researcher and entrepreneur recognised for his contributions to deep learning. He spent over 12 years at Google, advancing large-scale AI systems in computer vision, deep learning, and formal reasoning, and became recognized for his pioneering contributions to adversarial machine learning.Later, he co-founded xAI with Elon Musk and is now Chief Scientist at Morph Labs and founder of Math Incorporated. He focuses on verified superintelligence, aiming to bring mathematical rigor and formal verification to AI for greater reliability, safety, and trust.https://www.linkedin.com/in/christian-szegedy-bb284816https://x.com/ChrSzegedyhttps://www.math.inc/CHAPTERS:0:00 – Introduction1:20 – Meet Christian Szegedy2:32 – Why Chris left xAI and the idea of “verified superintelligence”3:07 – Using AI to formally verify mathematical proofs5:41 – Why Chris spun out of Morph Labs to start Math Incorporated6:48 – How new Math Incorporated is and what stage the company is at8:09 – How verified AI could impact everyday AI use10:07 – Multi-step AI verification workflow11:56 – How ChatGPT decides what a “good” response is12:42 – Was Chris always this technical and math-focused?13:40 – Chris' family background and his mathematically gifted brothers14:16 – Chris talks about his son, who loves mathematics at a young age15:00 – How he teaches his son about math and coding without overusing AI15:57 – What happens when humans cognitively offload everything to AI18:03 – Will AI eliminate jobs and lead to universal basic income?20:20 – Career advice for people in their 30s in an AI-driven economy22:55 – Are people becoming allergic to AI-generated content?24:22 – Adversarial AI: How to verify whether content is real or AI-generated25:39 – How the Pope used AI to generate a tweet about AI26:45 – Why Chris is deeply passionate about formal verification27:29 – Formal verification in simple terms32:21 – Is AI smart enough today to reason from axioms?34:38 – Why formal verification exists but isn’t widely adopted36:43 – The biggest bottlenecks slowing automated verification38:48 – What’s limiting AI from verifying math papers instantly?40:40 – Current team at Math Incorporated41:31 – Chris' hiring philosophy and working with young talent43:24 – Co-founding xAI with Elon Musk45:50 – Why meetings with Elon Musk were so long48:06 – How technically deep Elon Musk really is49:22 – Key lessons Chris learned working closely with Elon50:59 – Elon Musk's goal for xAI51:32 – Should people still learn to code in the age of AI?52:45 – The best programming languages to start with today53:55 – Learning just enough code to avoid being “blind”55:35 – Using AI to automate podcast clip distribution56:18 – How Chris personally uses AI on a day-to-day basis58:11 – Where Grok AI scrapes their data59:09 – What most people misunderstand about the next 5 yrs of AI1:00:35 – AI integration into the real world and robotics1:03:06 – Formal vs. informal AI and truth-seeking systems1:04:08 – Can formal AI help prevent unsafe or deceptive AI?1:05:58 – Chris' thoughts on Elon Musk’s goal for the most truth-seeking AI1:06:33 – Chris shares some specifications he is pushing right now1:07:18 – The limits of formalizing concepts like “cat detection”1:11:17 – What is chip and chip verification?1:13:39 – What was the first chip ever made?1:16:02 – How logic gates shrank from calculators to iPhones1:17:23 – Chris shares where the world’s most advanced chips are made1:19:38 – Chris talks about living in America vs. Europe and returning to Hungary1:20:20 – Why Chris hasn’t started a company with his brothers1:21:22 – Will AI be winner-takes-all or stay competitive?1:22:23 – How formal AI competes with informal reasoning models1:22:58 – Chris talks about DeepMind by Google1:24:30 – Chris' recent life discoveries1:25:10 – Chris’ personal goals for the next 6 months1:25:35 – Connect with Chris1:26:18 – Outro

Nick Bell is a self-made Australian entrepreneur and investor known for building a global digital-marketing empire from humble beginnings. He grew up on a farm in rural Victoria, left university early, and launched his first business with only a few hundred dollars. In 2008, he founded WME Group, which he later scaled and sold for millions. Since then, Nick has built and invested in dozens of companies across digital marketing, tech, and reputation management. Beyond business, he’s deeply interested in health, longevity, and emerging technologies, making him a prominent voice in both entrepreneurship and the future-of-health space.Connect with Nick Bell!https://www.instagram.com/nickbellauCHAPTERS:0:00 – Introduction0:50 – Meet Nick Bell1:25 – What Nick has been focused on over the past 6 months3:21 – What billionaires like Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg do to stay young5:32 – Can ultra-wealthy people live to 200+ years with emerging tech?7:05 – Nick’s dinosaur fossil collection9:01 – How Nick’s fossils have appreciated in value from $400k to $700k9:31 – Are we becoming weaker due to too much comfort and optimization?11:28 – Nick's thoughts on Bryan Johnson's experience with India’s air quality12:49 – How Nick’s upbringing shaped how he raises his kids15:03 – Nick’s views on AI glasses, Neuralink, and transhumanism17:40 – What Nick would do if he were 19 years old in today’s world20:26 – What happens when AI (Sora) clones your niche or personal brand23:02 – Nick’s main offer and angle for his new health company, Bobby24:31 – How Nick plans to acquire customers for his health company25:46 – Nick’s podcast strategy for authority and scale26:40 – Advice on podcast clipping: volume, team, and workflow27:30 – Why mass content output (4–5 clips/day) wins28:51 – How Nick’s marketing agency adapted to the AI era31:37 – Should you spend $200 on ads or go organic first?33:47 – Should experts still make how-to content when AI answers everything?34:59 – Nick shares how he uses ChatGPT for his bloodwork, genetics, and supplements37:12 – Nick on posting health and longevity content and why he avoids full-time personal branding38:17 – Nick on why he excels at building companies from scratch but dislikes running large teams40:32 – Nick’s inner circle and how his friendships have changed41:57 – How Nick navigates diet confusion in a world of conflicting advice44:57 – How to deal with doom-scrolling after long, exhausting days46:57 – Nick's recent life discoveries48:56 – Nick's personal goal for the next 6 months50:34 – Connect with Nick50:48 – Outro

Piers Linney is a tech-focused entrepreneur, investor, and former Dragons’ Den star known for his work in AI, additive manufacturing, and business innovation. He co-founded Implement AI—an award-winning AI startup building scalable digital workforces—and co-hosts The Implement AI Podcast. Piers also chairs Atherton Bikes, creators of world-champion 3D-printed mountain bikes. With a background in law, investment banking, venture capital, and government advisory, he’s a leading voice on AI, emerging tech, and entrepreneurship across major media and global events.Connect with Piers Linney!https://uk.linkedin.com/in/pierslinneyhttps://www.pierslinney.comhttps://www.implementai.ioCHAPTERS:0:00 – Introduction0:45 – Meet Piers Linney1:01 – What Piers has been focused on over the past 6 months3:38 – Piers transitions from law into investment banking4:30 – What the early internet boom taught Piers about exponential tech6:04 – The story behind Atherton Bikes and 3D-printed bike manufacturing7:55 – Piers’ involvement in space tech and SEN cameras8:22 – Building Implement AI and raising $2M to scale it10:45 – Andy asks whether Piers had major exits that funded his investments12:52 – Why entrepreneurs chase hypotheses more than money13:22 – Piers on the “coming wave” of AI and why resistance is pointless14:10 – Why some people are unaware of AI and robotics15:11 – How a 19-year-old can position themselves for the AI future18:53 – Passion vs. skill vs. market: how to identify real opportunities20:49 – How Piers uses ChatGPT as a thinking partner and creative augmenter23:15 – Piers’ workflow: ideation → draft → critique → rewrite → SWOT25:49 – Andy asks if AI can auto-scrape your posts and autopost on your behalf27:05 – AI-generated video and Sora’s impact on authenticity28:38 – How Implement AI finds customers and leads30:16 – The new productized “AI agent teams” Implement AI offers31:27 – Andy’s story of being fooled by an AI caller33:34 – The danger of hyper-realistic avatars scamming your parents34:17 – How Implement AI builds guardrails and safety layers35:57 – How Piers uses AI to grow his podcast38:00 – How Piers thinks about raising kids in a rapidly changing world40:25 – How small moments of mentorship can change someone’s life45:16 – How AI can sometimes do a better job than humans48:56 – Why most AI projects fail (MIT study) and why implementation is hard50:39 – Why Piers believes coding will eventually disappear entirely52:04 – Why Piers continues building businesses despite the stress54:29 – Piers explains the layers of AI and exponential improvement56:48 – The coming shift from AGI to ASI (Artificial Superintelligence)58:40 – Piers' recent life discoveries1:00:53 – Piers' goals and focus for the next 6 months1:01:46 – Connect with Piers1:02:42 – Why domains and the traditional internet will diminish over time1:04:02 – Outro

Ryan K. Hudson is an American writer, animator, and cartoonist best known for his darkly funny webcomic Channelate (2008). With a background in animation and design, he’s created viral short animations known for their absurd humor, minimal style, and sharp punchlines.https://www.youtube.com/@RyanKHudsonhttps://www.instagram.com/ryankhudsonhttps://www.facebook.com/channelateCHAPTERS:0:00 – Introduction0:59 – Meet Ryan Hudson1:41 – Unusual sleep schedule and daily routine2:48 – Transitioned from a regular job into animation and comics3:34 – The animation and comedy studios Ryan has worked with4:39 – Focused on over the past 6 months5:45 – How long Ryan’s short-form animation videos usually are6:06 – Why Ryan shifted from longer content to short-form animation7:46 – How Ryan learned to create hooks, comedic timing, and pacing10:03 – Ryan’s best advice for creators who want to go viral11:56 – How Ryan interprets a clip that flops (luck vs. editing vs. delivery)13:08 – Sora and AI animation tools14:03 – Could AI eventually replace Ryan’s animation workflow?15:45 – How Ryan fits voiceovers into the pacing of his animations17:02 – How Ryan comes up with jokes and develops his ideas20:05 – How many short-form animations Ryan makes per week21:00 – What keeps Ryan motivated during slow view periods22:30 – The leap of faith Ryan took when he stopped freelancing24:59 – Why Ryan turned down freelance work to focus on creating content26:00 – How Ryan tracks his performance on YouTube and Facebook27:37 – Why Ryan thinks his views continue to rise over time29:46 – Can creators survive financially on short-form content alone?31:00 – Ideal short-form video length32:17 – How Ryan adjusts joke length to fit the ideal runtime33:14 – Quality vs. quantity in content creation35:41 – Which strategy works better: uploading all clips or only the best ones?36:43 – How algorithms behave after two years of posting37:40 – Times when Ryan scraps animations mid-way because they don’t feel right39:16 – How Ryan decides which jokes deserve 8–9 hours of animation work41:05 – How Ryan picks jokes from his list of ideas42:41 – How Ryan stores and organizes hundreds of joke ideas44:18 – Ryan talks about being a “feeler” and managing creative stress45:39 – Ryan’s mindset in his career while living his dream right now47:53 – Balancing creativity, work, and being in a relationship49:58 – How animation technically works (frame-by-frame vs. puppets)51:15 – Andy’s Rick & Morty analogy: how writers create so many strong jokes52:37 – Opportunities Ryan has received because of his online reach54:53 – Ryan shares the story behind his 45M-view clip and how it blew up57:39 – Whether Ryan edits or re-exports videos when reposting them58:06 – Why YouTube doesn’t like reposted content even if it’s slightly edited59:43 – Whether reposting is worth it on TikTok, Instagram, and Snapchat1:00:56 – Does the Facebook Shotgun Strategy actually work?1:01:56 – 1,500-comic archive (2008–2021)1:03:26 – Process for writing comics1:04:51 – Why Ryan draws storyboard panels before writing dialogue1:07:03 – Builds community through recurring characters and inside jokes1:09:10 – What Ryan is known for: his characters or his own face1:10:44 – The origin of Ryan’s art style for his animations1:12:42 – What art style Ryan would choose if he created a TV show1:13:29 – How Ryan’s characters progress and grow in their stories1:15:19 – What Ryan’s next career chapter looks like1:17:26 – Ryan’s plans for creating an animated series1:21:33 – How lip-syncing works in animation1:23:57 – Should Ryan launch new animated series on the same channel or separate ones?1:26:16 – How Ryan grew his YouTube channel from 20K to 1M subscribers1:28:23 – The origin story behind “Channelate”1:30:11 – Recent discoveries1:33:59 – Personal goal for the next six months1:35:14 – Connect with Ryan Hudson1:35:49 – Outro

Yvonne An is a Korean entrepreneur and creator based in Manila. She blends creativity with data, even building her own TikTok analysis bot to study trends, performance, and what drives PR and brand deals. Yvonne shares an honest look into her life—balancing startups, mental health, and her experience living in the Philippines—making her a relatable voice for Gen Z builders and creatives.Connect with Yvonne:https://www.instagram.com/yvonnean_https://www.tiktok.com/@yvonnneCHAPTERS:0:00 – Introduction0:49 – Meet Yvonne1:15 – What Yvonne has been focused on2:21 – Why Yvonne started a company5:12 – Content creation as stress relief5:59 – What she enjoys about creating7:38 – Building a TikTok data bot9:27 – How the bot measures content ROI10:44 – How she built the bot11:58 – Labeling & scraping TikTok data12:51 – Tracking growth and plateaus14:11 – Why she signed with an agency15:27 – Balancing startups + content16:28 – Her dad’s surprising hobbies16:56 – Yvonne on her mom & family19:11 – Where her independent energy comes from20:24 – Gen Z entrepreneurs21:59 – Thoughts on Cluely’s content strategy23:45 – Young entrepreneurs today24:09 – Her brother’s path24:40 – Would she want kids?25:17 – Raising entrepreneurial kids27:15 – How parents shape business mindset28:51 – Lessons from her dad’s hardships32:09 – When her dad left LG33:48 – How old she was then34:46 – Andy’s first trip to the Philippines36:37 – Rockwell run club38:42 – Filipino “clientele relationship”41:58 – Building company culture in PH45:53 – Antidepressants & mental health47:57 – Impulsive behavior in relationships48:33 – Andy’s personality quiz (money)50:11 – Is religion good or bad?52:14 – Emotional vs. logical54:01 – Who’s more hardworking?54:12 – Wait for someone or date who likes you?54:39 – Her biggest 2024–2025 takeaways55:55 – Naming a child with two letters56:40 – What she’d change about Andy57:37 – Airport ride scenario59:12 – Last time she asked for help1:04:18 – Last three times she helped others1:07:45 – Andy’s reflection on Yvonne1:09:45 – Guessing each other’s MBTI1:16:00 – Similar vs. opposite partners1:16:49 – Does she have ADHD?1:17:06 – Feeling out of place in PH1:19:35 – Her day-to-day life in Manila1:20:43 – Balancing career + relationship1:22:02 – Purpose of life1:23:19 – Is life meaningless?1:23:51 – What puts her in a sad state1:24:43 – How convo would differ without SSRIs1:25:35 – Does she need SSRIs long-term?1:26:49 – Her anxiety1:27:49 – Plans for the rest of her gap year1:29:10 – Could she thrive at UC Berkeley?1:30:40 – Being seen as a “pretty dumb girl”1:32:07 – Story about people “playing dumb”1:34:40 – Yvonne’s recent life discoveries1:35:26 – Her next 6-month goal1:36:42 – Why Andy thought her life was “nerfed”1:38:58 – Connect with Yvonne1:40:14 – Why some girls “play dumb”1:41:13 – How her personal brand shows only a slice of her1:42:21 – Outro