Amy and Don Griffin, Jr. talk about what comes next on the eve of the 2024 U.S. Election and the need to take care of each other by nurturing mutuality in community.
Some resources mentioned in this episode:
The Practice of Mutuality 
<a href='https://www.bloomingtoncenterforconnection.org/2024/11/the-practice-of-mutuality/'>https://www.bloomingtoncenterforconnection.org/2024/11/the-practice-of-mutuality/</a>  
 
Plan B Cheat Sheet (PDF) 
<a href='https://livesinthebalance.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/PlanBCheat-10-26-22.pdf'>https://livesinthebalance.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/PlanBCheat-10-26-22.pdf</a> 
The Explosive Child 
<a href='https://drrossgreene.com/the-explosive-child.htm'>https://drrossgreene.com/the-explosive-child.htm</a> 
Depolarizing Public Discussion: Strategies for Disagreeing Better 
<a href='https://www.celpr.com/depolarizing-public-discussion-strategies-for-disagreeing-better/'>https://www.celpr.com/depolarizing-public-discussion-strategies-for-disagreeing-better/</a> 
Column: New jail presents Monroe County with chance to make vital change 
<a href='https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/story/opinion/columns/2024/10/03/former-mayor-wants-monroe-county-to-steer-away-from-mass-incarceration/75473502007/?taid=66fe803acfc6c00001c7268c&amp;utm_campaign=trueanthem&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_source=twitter'>https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/story/opinion/columns/2024/10/03/former-mayor-wants-monroe-county-to-steer-away-from-mass-incarceration/75473502007/</a>
Anderson Orchard 
<a href='http://www.andersonorchard.com/'>http://www.andersonorchard.com/</a> 
Rosana Lyrics 
<a href='https://genius.com/Toto-rosanna-lyrics'>https://genius.com/Toto-rosanna-lyrics</a> 
 
My Racist Friend is a podcast about the messy parts of relationships that help us grow together. Long-time friends Don Griffin, Jr. and Amy Makice, LCSW, enter into a transparent and ongoing conversation about complicated and difficult topics such as racism, gender, and social justice. Through the authentic lens of their strong mutual relationship, their goal is to model difficult conversations that can promote understanding and connection in a world that needs both. In this relationship, Amy is the inherently racist friend, who is working to change and better understand how racism impacts her relationship with people she loves.
Donald Griffin Jr. is a Bloomington native, former Deputy Mayor for Bloomington, and a real estate broker, proudly serving his community for the past three decades. Since opening Griffin Realty in 2003, Don's dedication to excellence has helped to guide his company to be among the top producers in Indiana with nearly a half billion in individual lifetime sales.
Amy Makice, founder of Bloomington Center for Connection, is a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Her professional journey is rooted in her passion for Relational-Cultural Therapy (RCT), and her commitment to RCT extends into community building initiatives to promote the power of connection. Amy helps to bring the Relational Summits to Bloomington, featuring distinguished guests like Maureen Walker, Amy Banks, and Isaac Knapper. 
 
<a href='https://music.apple.com/us/album/your-racist-friend/298111036?i=298111049&amp;ign-mpt=uo%3D4'>Buy "Your Racist Friend"</a> by They Might Be Giants on iTunes

<description>&lt;p&gt;Amy and Don Griffin, Jr. talk about what comes next on the eve of the 2024 U.S. Election and the need to take care of each other by nurturing mutuality in community.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some resources mentioned in this episode:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Practice of Mutuality
&lt;a href='https://www.bloomingtoncenterforconnection.org/2024/11/the-practice-of-mutuality/'&gt;https://www.bloomingtoncenterforconnection.org/2024/11/the-practice-of-mutuality/&lt;/a&gt; 

Plan B Cheat Sheet (PDF)
&lt;a href='https://livesinthebalance.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/PlanBCheat-10-26-22.pdf'&gt;https://livesinthebalance.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/PlanBCheat-10-26-22.pdf&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Explosive Child
&lt;a href='https://drrossgreene.com/the-explosive-child.htm'&gt;https://drrossgreene.com/the-explosive-child.htm&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Depolarizing Public Discussion: Strategies for Disagreeing Better
&lt;a href='https://www.celpr.com/depolarizing-public-discussion-strategies-for-disagreeing-better/'&gt;https://www.celpr.com/depolarizing-public-discussion-strategies-for-disagreeing-better/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Column: New jail presents Monroe County with chance to make vital change
&lt;a href='https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/story/opinion/columns/2024/10/03/former-mayor-wants-monroe-county-to-steer-away-from-mass-incarceration/75473502007/?taid=66fe803acfc6c00001c7268c&amp;amp;utm_campaign=trueanthem&amp;amp;utm_medium=social&amp;amp;utm_source=twitter'&gt;https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/story/opinion/columns/2024/10/03/former-mayor-wants-monroe-county-to-steer-away-from-mass-incarceration/75473502007/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anderson Orchard
&lt;a href='http://www.andersonorchard.com/'&gt;http://www.andersonorchard.com/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rosana Lyrics
&lt;a href='https://genius.com/Toto-rosanna-lyrics'&gt;https://genius.com/Toto-rosanna-lyrics&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
My Racist Friend is a podcast about the messy parts of relationships that help us grow together. Long-time friends Don Griffin, Jr. and Amy Makice, LCSW, enter into a transparent and ongoing conversation about complicated and difficult topics such as racism, gender, and social justice. Through the authentic lens of their strong mutual relationship, their goal is to model difficult conversations that can promote understanding and connection in a world that needs both. In this relationship, Amy is the inherently racist friend, who is working to change and better understand how racism impacts her relationship with people she loves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Donald Griffin Jr. is a Bloomington native, former Deputy Mayor for Bloomington, and a real estate broker, proudly serving his community for the past three decades. Since opening Griffin Realty in 2003, Don's dedication to excellence has helped to guide his company to be among the top producers in Indiana with nearly a half billion in individual lifetime sales.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amy Makice, founder of Bloomington Center for Connection, is a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Her professional journey is rooted in her passion for Relational-Cultural Therapy (RCT), and her commitment to RCT extends into community building initiatives to promote the power of connection. Amy helps to bring the Relational Summits to Bloomington, featuring distinguished guests like Maureen Walker, Amy Banks, and Isaac Knapper. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;a href='https://music.apple.com/us/album/your-racist-friend/298111036?i=298111049&amp;amp;ign-mpt=uo%3D4'&gt;Buy "Your Racist Friend"&lt;/a&gt; by They Might Be Giants on iTunes&lt;/p&gt;
</description>

Amy and Don Griffin, Jr. talk about what comes next on the eve of the 2024 U.S. Election and the need to take care of each other by nurturing mutuality in community.

Episode 4.12: Shaquita and Billy Bob

Game developer Christian Telesmar, creator of 'Disparity Trap', joins Amy and Don Griffin, Jr. in a crossover episode with the "Cadre" podcast to discuss Christian's board game about the game of real life. Christian explains the origins of the game and joins Don in speculating about expansion rules.
Christian Telesmar attended college at the University of Washington (UW) with the intent of pursuing medical school but fell in love with theatre and knew that’s where he was meant to be. After graduating from the University of Washington’s Master of Fine Arts (MFA) Acting program, he relocated to Los Angeles, California, where he resides today. His performance work includes appearances on FOX’s Bones, 9-1-1: Lone Star, and The Young and the Restless. While in Los Angeles, Christian earned his Master of Business Administration (MBA) from Purdue University Global and holds a Qualified Administrator license for the Intercultural Development Inventory® (IDI) from IDI, LLC. He is excited to be fusing his many passions, combining his love of art, business, and education in the Diversity, Equity, &amp; Inclusion space with his board game, Disparity Trap.
Christian will provide the keynote presentation on Friday, September 6 as part of the upcoming 2024 Relational Summit on Playful Connection. Don will be on a panel playing Disparity Trap during that session.
Some resources mentioned in this episode:
Disparity Trap board game 
<a href='https://disparitytrap.net/'>https://disparitytrap.net/ </a> 
"Disparity Trap Board Game" (Kickstarter video) 
<a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOC8PB1aMS0'>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOC8PB1aMS0 </a> 
Lizzie Magie and the History of Monopoly 
<a href='https://blogs.bl.uk/business/2023/03/lizzie-magie-and-the-history-of-monopoly-1.html'>https://blogs.bl.uk/business/2023/03/lizzie-magie-and-the-history-of-monopoly-1.html</a> 
Share the Flame consulting 
<a href='https://www.shareflame.com/ist-of-an-ism'>https://www.shareflame.com/ist-of-an-ism </a> 
What is the Neighborhood Revitalization and Land Banking Act? 
<a href='https://communityprogress.org/blog/what-is-the-neighborhood-revitalization-and-land-banking-act/'>https://communityprogress.org/blog/what-is-the-neighborhood-revitalization-and-land-banking-act/</a> 
Myths about physical racial differences were used to justify slavery — and are still believed by doctors today. 
<a href='https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/racial-differences-doctors.html'>https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/racial-differences-doctors.html</a> 
2024 Relational Summit 
<a href='https://www.bloomingtoncenterforconnection.org/2024-relational-summit/'>https://www.bloomingtoncenterforconnection.org/2024-relational-summit/ </a> 
 
My Racist Friend is a podcast about the messy parts of relationships that help us grow together. Long-time friends Don Griffin, Jr. and Amy Makice, LCSW, enter into a transparent and ongoing conversation about complicated and difficult topics such as racism, gender, and social justice. Through the authentic lens of their strong mutual relationship, their goal is to model difficult conversations that can promote understanding and connection in a world that needs both. In this relationship, Amy is the inherently racist friend, who is working to change and better understand how racism impacts her relationship with people she loves.
Donald Griffin Jr. is a Bloomington native, former Deputy Mayor for Bloomington, and a real estate broker, proudly serving his community for the past three decades. Since opening Griffin Realty in 2003, Don's dedication to excellence has helped to guide his company to be among the top producers in Indiana with nearly a half billion in individual lifetime sales.
Amy Makice, founder of Bloomington Center for Connection, is a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Her professional journey is rooted in her passion for Relational-Cultural Therapy (RCT), and her commitment to RCT extends into community building initiatives to promote the power of connection. Amy helps to bring the Relational Summits to Bloomington, featuring distinguished guests like Maureen Walker, Amy Banks, and Isaac Knapper. 
 
<a href='https://music.apple.com/us/album/your-racist-friend/298111036?i=298111049&amp;ign-mpt=uo%3D4'>Buy "Your Racist Friend"</a> by They Might Be Giants on iTunes

<description>&lt;p&gt;Game developer Christian Telesmar, creator of 'Disparity Trap', joins Amy and Don Griffin, Jr. in a crossover episode with the "Cadre" podcast to discuss Christian's board game about the game of real life. Christian explains the origins of the game and joins Don in speculating about expansion rules.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Christian Telesmar attended college at the University of Washington (UW) with the intent of pursuing medical school but fell in love with theatre and knew that’s where he was meant to be. After graduating from the University of Washington’s Master of Fine Arts (MFA) Acting program, he relocated to Los Angeles, California, where he resides today. His performance work includes appearances on FOX’s Bones, 9-1-1: Lone Star, and The Young and the Restless. While in Los Angeles, Christian earned his Master of Business Administration (MBA) from Purdue University Global and holds a Qualified Administrator license for the Intercultural Development Inventory® (IDI) from IDI, LLC. He is excited to be fusing his many passions, combining his love of art, business, and education in the Diversity, Equity, &amp;amp; Inclusion space with his board game, Disparity Trap.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Christian will provide the keynote presentation on Friday, September 6 as part of the upcoming 2024 Relational Summit on Playful Connection. Don will be on a panel playing Disparity Trap during that session.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some resources mentioned in this episode:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Disparity Trap board game
&lt;a href='https://disparitytrap.net/'&gt;https://disparitytrap.net/ &lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;"Disparity Trap Board Game" (Kickstarter video)
&lt;a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOC8PB1aMS0'&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOC8PB1aMS0 &lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lizzie Magie and the History of Monopoly
&lt;a href='https://blogs.bl.uk/business/2023/03/lizzie-magie-and-the-history-of-monopoly-1.html'&gt;https://blogs.bl.uk/business/2023/03/lizzie-magie-and-the-history-of-monopoly-1.html&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Share the Flame consulting
&lt;a href='https://www.shareflame.com/ist-of-an-ism'&gt;https://www.shareflame.com/ist-of-an-ism &lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is the Neighborhood Revitalization and Land Banking Act?
&lt;a href='https://communityprogress.org/blog/what-is-the-neighborhood-revitalization-and-land-banking-act/'&gt;https://communityprogress.org/blog/what-is-the-neighborhood-revitalization-and-land-banking-act/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Myths about physical racial differences were used to justify slavery — and are still believed by doctors today.
&lt;a href='https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/racial-differences-doctors.html'&gt;https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/racial-differences-doctors.html&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2024 Relational Summit
&lt;a href='https://www.bloomingtoncenterforconnection.org/2024-relational-summit/'&gt;https://www.bloomingtoncenterforconnection.org/2024-relational-summit/ &lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
My Racist Friend is a podcast about the messy parts of relationships that help us grow together. Long-time friends Don Griffin, Jr. and Amy Makice, LCSW, enter into a transparent and ongoing conversation about complicated and difficult topics such as racism, gender, and social justice. Through the authentic lens of their strong mutual relationship, their goal is to model difficult conversations that can promote understanding and connection in a world that needs both. In this relationship, Amy is the inherently racist friend, who is working to change and better understand how racism impacts her relationship with people she loves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Donald Griffin Jr. is a Bloomington native, former Deputy Mayor for Bloomington, and a real estate broker, proudly serving his community for the past three decades. Since opening Griffin Realty in 2003, Don's dedication to excellence has helped to guide his company to be among the top producers in Indiana with nearly a half billion in individual lifetime sales.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amy Makice, founder of Bloomington Center for Connection, is a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Her professional journey is rooted in her passion for Relational-Cultural Therapy (RCT), and her commitment to RCT extends into community building initiatives to promote the power of connection. Amy helps to bring the Relational Summits to Bloomington, featuring distinguished guests like Maureen Walker, Amy Banks, and Isaac Knapper. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;a href='https://music.apple.com/us/album/your-racist-friend/298111036?i=298111049&amp;amp;ign-mpt=uo%3D4'&gt;Buy "Your Racist Friend"&lt;/a&gt; by They Might Be Giants on iTunes&lt;/p&gt;
</description>

Game developer Christian Telesmar, creator of ’Disparity Trap’, joins Amy, Kevin, and Don Griffin, Jr. in a crossover episode with ”My Racist Friend” to discuss Christian’s board game about the game of real life. Christian explains the origins of the game, and Amy highlights two new RCT concepts: Desire for More and Strategies of Disconnection.

Episode 4.11: Disparity Trap

In this episode, hosts Don and Amy discuss the MOVE bombing in Philadelphia, a tragic and often overlooked part of American history. They delve into the background of the MOVE organization, the events leading up to the bombing, and the aftermath, including the impact on the surrounding neighborhood. The conversation also touches on broader themes of racism, police brutality, and the challenges of fostering meaningful dialogue about these critical issues.
 
Resources and topics mentioned in this episode:
• "The Africas VS. America: Remembering one of the deadliest instances of police violence in U.S. history" (podcast) 
<a href='https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/the-africas-vs-america-remembering-one-of-the-deadliest-instances-of-police-violence-in-u-s-history-1.6738879'>https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/the-africas-vs-america-remembering-one-of-the-deadliest-instances-of-police-violence-in-u-s-history-1.6738879</a> 
• "MOVE: Philadelphia's forgotten bombing" by Charles Abraham (PDF) 
<a href='https://commons.lib.jmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1054&amp;context=jmurj'>https://commons.lib.jmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1054&amp;context=jmurj</a> 
• "The Outsize Role of Immigrants in US Innovation" (article) 
<a href='https://www.nber.org/digest/20233/outsize-role-immigrants-us-innovation'>https://www.nber.org/digest/20233/outsize-role-immigrants-us-innovation</a> 
 
My Racist Friend is a podcast about the messy parts of relationships that help us grow together. Long-time friends Don Griffin, Jr. and Amy Makice, LCSW, enter into a transparent and ongoing conversation about complicated and difficult topics such as racism, gender, and social justice. Through the authentic lens of their strong mutual relationship, their goal is to model difficult conversations that can promote understanding and connection in a world that needs both. In this relationship, Amy is the inherently racist friend, who is working to change and better understand how racism impacts her relationship with people she loves.
Donald Griffin Jr. is a Bloomington native, former Deputy Mayor for Bloomington, and a real estate broker, proudly serving his community for the past three decades. Since opening Griffin Realty in 2003, Don's dedication to excellence has helped to guide his company to be among the top producers in Indiana with nearly a half billion in individual lifetime sales.
Amy Makice, founder of Bloomington Center for Connection, is a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Her professional journey is rooted in her passion for Relational-Cultural Therapy (RCT), and her commitment to RCT extends into community building initiatives to promote the power of connection. Amy helps to bring the Relational Summits to Bloomington, featuring distinguished guests like Maureen Walker, Amy Banks, and Isaac Knapper. 
 
<a href='https://music.apple.com/us/album/your-racist-friend/298111036?i=298111049&amp;ign-mpt=uo%3D4'>Buy "Your Racist Friend"</a> by They Might Be Giants on iTunes

<description>&lt;p&gt;In this episode, hosts Don and Amy discuss the MOVE bombing in Philadelphia, a tragic and often overlooked part of American history. They delve into the background of the MOVE organization, the events leading up to the bombing, and the aftermath, including the impact on the surrounding neighborhood. The conversation also touches on broader themes of racism, police brutality, and the challenges of fostering meaningful dialogue about these critical issues.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Resources and topics mentioned in this episode:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;• "The Africas VS. America: Remembering one of the deadliest instances of police violence in U.S. history" (podcast)
&lt;a href='https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/the-africas-vs-america-remembering-one-of-the-deadliest-instances-of-police-violence-in-u-s-history-1.6738879'&gt;https://www.cbc.ca/radio/podcastnews/the-africas-vs-america-remembering-one-of-the-deadliest-instances-of-police-violence-in-u-s-history-1.6738879&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;• "MOVE: Philadelphia's forgotten bombing" by Charles Abraham (PDF)
&lt;a href='https://commons.lib.jmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1054&amp;amp;context=jmurj'&gt;https://commons.lib.jmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1054&amp;amp;context=jmurj&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;• "The Outsize Role of Immigrants in US Innovation" (article)
&lt;a href='https://www.nber.org/digest/20233/outsize-role-immigrants-us-innovation'&gt;https://www.nber.org/digest/20233/outsize-role-immigrants-us-innovation&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
My Racist Friend is a podcast about the messy parts of relationships that help us grow together. Long-time friends Don Griffin, Jr. and Amy Makice, LCSW, enter into a transparent and ongoing conversation about complicated and difficult topics such as racism, gender, and social justice. Through the authentic lens of their strong mutual relationship, their goal is to model difficult conversations that can promote understanding and connection in a world that needs both. In this relationship, Amy is the inherently racist friend, who is working to change and better understand how racism impacts her relationship with people she loves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Donald Griffin Jr. is a Bloomington native, former Deputy Mayor for Bloomington, and a real estate broker, proudly serving his community for the past three decades. Since opening Griffin Realty in 2003, Don's dedication to excellence has helped to guide his company to be among the top producers in Indiana with nearly a half billion in individual lifetime sales.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amy Makice, founder of Bloomington Center for Connection, is a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Her professional journey is rooted in her passion for Relational-Cultural Therapy (RCT), and her commitment to RCT extends into community building initiatives to promote the power of connection. Amy helps to bring the Relational Summits to Bloomington, featuring distinguished guests like Maureen Walker, Amy Banks, and Isaac Knapper. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;a href='https://music.apple.com/us/album/your-racist-friend/298111036?i=298111049&amp;amp;ign-mpt=uo%3D4'&gt;Buy "Your Racist Friend"&lt;/a&gt; by They Might Be Giants on iTunes&lt;/p&gt;
</description>

Don and Amy discuss the MOVE bombing in Philadelphia, a tragic and often overlooked part of American history.

Episode 4.10: Let It Burn

Amy and Don discuss the loss of a dear friend and colleague, Dr. Dolores Finger Wright, by reflecting on their brief experiences with her and her impact in how she lived.
This podcast includes excerpts from Dr. Wright's appearance on this podcast in 2019 (season 1, episode 8) and clips from her appearance in the 2017 documentary "Tell Them We Are Rising: The Story of Black Colleges and Universities" which highlight her experiences organizing the 1960 Greensboro Sit-In.
We dearly miss you, Dr. Wright.
Resources mentioned in this episode:
• Clip of "Tell Them We Are Rising" (Facebook video) 
<a href='https://www.facebook.com/watch/?extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-IOS_GK0T-GK1C&amp;mibextid=v7YzmG&amp;v=1079030432306365'>https://www.facebook.com/watch/?extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-IOS_GK0T-GK1C&amp;mibextid=v7YzmG&amp;v=1079030432306365</a> 
• "Suburbanization and the Color Line along Grandview Drive" (article) 
<a href='https://invisibleindianapolis.wordpress.com/2017/06/29/suburbanization-and-the-color-line-along-grandview-drive'>https://invisibleindianapolis.wordpress.com/2017/06/29/suburbanization-and-the-color-line-along-grandview-drive</a> 
• "Feb. 1, 1960: The Greensboro Sit-in Begins" (article) 
<a href='https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/greensboro-sit-in/'>https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/greensboro-sit-in/</a> 
• Nice White Parents (podcast) 
<a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nice-white-parents/id1524080195'>https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nice-white-parents/id1524080195</a> 
• "One Year After Pulse" (article) 
<a href='https://time.com/one-year-after-pulse/'>https://time.com/one-year-after-pulse/</a> 
• "The Charleston Church Massacre (2015)" (article) 
<a href='https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/charleston-church-massacre-2015/'>https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/charleston-church-massacre-2015/</a> 
 
My Racist Friend is a podcast about the messy parts of relationships that help us grow together. Long-time friends Don Griffin, Jr. and Amy Makice, LCSW, enter into a transparent and ongoing conversation about complicated and difficult topics such as racism, gender, and social justice. Through the authentic lens of their strong mutual relationship, their goal is to model difficult conversations that can promote understanding and connection in a world that needs both. In this relationship, Amy is the inherently racist friend, who is working to change and better understand how racism impacts her relationship with people she loves.
Donald Griffin Jr. is a Bloomington native, former Deputy Mayor for Bloomington, and a real estate broker, proudly serving his community for the past three decades. Since opening Griffin Realty in 2003, Don's dedication to excellence has helped to guide his company to be among the top producers in Indiana with nearly a half billion in individual lifetime sales.
Amy Makice, founder of Bloomington Center for Connection, is a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Her professional journey is rooted in her passion for Relational-Cultural Therapy (RCT), and her commitment to RCT extends into community building initiatives to promote the power of connection. Amy helps to bring the Relational Summits to Bloomington, featuring distinguished guests like Maureen Walker, Amy Banks, and Isaac Knapper. 
 
<a href='https://music.apple.com/us/album/your-racist-friend/298111036?i=298111049&amp;ign-mpt=uo%3D4'>Buy "Your Racist Friend"</a> by They Might Be Giants on iTunes

<description>&lt;p&gt;Amy and Don discuss the loss of a dear friend and colleague, Dr. Dolores Finger Wright, by reflecting on their brief experiences with her and her impact in how she lived.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This podcast includes excerpts from Dr. Wright's appearance on this podcast in 2019 (season 1, episode 8) and clips from her appearance in the 2017 documentary "Tell Them We Are Rising: The Story of Black Colleges and Universities" which highlight her experiences organizing the 1960 Greensboro Sit-In.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We dearly miss you, Dr. Wright.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Resources mentioned in this episode:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;• Clip of "Tell Them We Are Rising" (Facebook video)
&lt;a href='https://www.facebook.com/watch/?extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-IOS_GK0T-GK1C&amp;amp;mibextid=v7YzmG&amp;amp;v=1079030432306365'&gt;https://www.facebook.com/watch/?extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-IOS_GK0T-GK1C&amp;amp;mibextid=v7YzmG&amp;amp;v=1079030432306365&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;• "Suburbanization and the Color Line along Grandview Drive" (article)
&lt;a href='https://invisibleindianapolis.wordpress.com/2017/06/29/suburbanization-and-the-color-line-along-grandview-drive'&gt;https://invisibleindianapolis.wordpress.com/2017/06/29/suburbanization-and-the-color-line-along-grandview-drive&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;• "Feb. 1, 1960: The Greensboro Sit-in Begins" (article)
&lt;a href='https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/greensboro-sit-in/'&gt;https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/greensboro-sit-in/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;• Nice White Parents (podcast)
&lt;a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nice-white-parents/id1524080195'&gt;https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nice-white-parents/id1524080195&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;• "One Year After Pulse" (article)
&lt;a href='https://time.com/one-year-after-pulse/'&gt;https://time.com/one-year-after-pulse/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;• "The Charleston Church Massacre (2015)" (article)
&lt;a href='https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/charleston-church-massacre-2015/'&gt;https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/charleston-church-massacre-2015/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My Racist Friend is a podcast about the messy parts of relationships that help us grow together. Long-time friends Don Griffin, Jr. and Amy Makice, LCSW, enter into a transparent and ongoing conversation about complicated and difficult topics such as racism, gender, and social justice. Through the authentic lens of their strong mutual relationship, their goal is to model difficult conversations that can promote understanding and connection in a world that needs both. In this relationship, Amy is the inherently racist friend, who is working to change and better understand how racism impacts her relationship with people she loves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Donald Griffin Jr. is a Bloomington native, former Deputy Mayor for Bloomington, and a real estate broker, proudly serving his community for the past three decades. Since opening Griffin Realty in 2003, Don's dedication to excellence has helped to guide his company to be among the top producers in Indiana with nearly a half billion in individual lifetime sales.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amy Makice, founder of Bloomington Center for Connection, is a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Her professional journey is rooted in her passion for Relational-Cultural Therapy (RCT), and her commitment to RCT extends into community building initiatives to promote the power of connection. Amy helps to bring the Relational Summits to Bloomington, featuring distinguished guests like Maureen Walker, Amy Banks, and Isaac Knapper. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;a href='https://music.apple.com/us/album/your-racist-friend/298111036?i=298111049&amp;amp;ign-mpt=uo%3D4'&gt;Buy "Your Racist Friend"&lt;/a&gt; by They Might Be Giants on iTunes&lt;/p&gt;
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Amy and Don discuss the loss of a dear friend and colleague, Dr. Dolores Finger Wright, by reflecting on their brief experiences with her and her impact in how she lived.

Episode 4.09: Here To Help - A Tribute to Dr. Dolores Finger Wright

Don and Amy play with the RCT Toybox cards, focusing on a discussion around three concepts: relational movement, guilt, and calm. 
Resources mentioned in this episode:
• "Wired to Connect" (book) 
<a href='https://amybanksmd.com/#av-tab-section-1-2-link'>https://amybanksmd.com/#av-tab-section-1-2-link</a> 
• "The Jenks Presents Wired To Connect with Amy Banks, M D" (video) 
<a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBzQjieV7pY'>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBzQjieV7pY</a> 
 
My Racist Friend is a podcast about the messy parts of relationships that help us grow together. Long-time friends Don Griffin, Jr. and Amy Makice, LCSW, enter into a transparent and ongoing conversation about complicated and difficult topics such as racism, gender, and social justice. Through the authentic lens of their strong mutual relationship, their goal is to model difficult conversations that can promote understanding and connection in a world that needs both. In this relationship, Amy is the inherently racist friend, who is working to change and better understand how racism impacts her relationship with people she loves.
Donald Griffin Jr. is a Bloomington native, former Deputy Mayor for Bloomington, and a real estate broker, proudly serving his community for the past three decades. Since opening Griffin Realty in 2003, Don's dedication to excellence has helped to guide his company to be among the top producers in Indiana with nearly a half billion in individual lifetime sales.
Amy Makice, founder of Bloomington Center for Connection, is a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Her professional journey is rooted in her passion for Relational-Cultural Therapy (RCT), and her commitment to RCT extends into community building initiatives to promote the power of connection. Amy helps to bring the Relational Summits to Bloomington, featuring distinguished guests like Maureen Walker, Amy Banks, and Isaac Knapper. 
 
<a href='https://music.apple.com/us/album/your-racist-friend/298111036?i=298111049&amp;ign-mpt=uo%3D4'>Buy "Your Racist Friend"</a> by They Might Be Giants on iTunes

<description>&lt;p&gt;Don and Amy play with the RCT Toybox cards, focusing on a discussion around three concepts: relational movement, guilt, and calm. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Resources mentioned in this episode:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;• "Wired to Connect" (book)
&lt;a href='https://amybanksmd.com/#av-tab-section-1-2-link'&gt;https://amybanksmd.com/#av-tab-section-1-2-link&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;• "The Jenks Presents Wired To Connect with Amy Banks, M D" (video)
&lt;a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBzQjieV7pY'&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBzQjieV7pY&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My Racist Friend is a podcast about the messy parts of relationships that help us grow together. Long-time friends Don Griffin, Jr. and Amy Makice, LCSW, enter into a transparent and ongoing conversation about complicated and difficult topics such as racism, gender, and social justice. Through the authentic lens of their strong mutual relationship, their goal is to model difficult conversations that can promote understanding and connection in a world that needs both. In this relationship, Amy is the inherently racist friend, who is working to change and better understand how racism impacts her relationship with people she loves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Donald Griffin Jr. is a Bloomington native, former Deputy Mayor for Bloomington, and a real estate broker, proudly serving his community for the past three decades. Since opening Griffin Realty in 2003, Don's dedication to excellence has helped to guide his company to be among the top producers in Indiana with nearly a half billion in individual lifetime sales.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amy Makice, founder of Bloomington Center for Connection, is a licensed psychotherapist based in Bloomington, Indiana. Her professional journey is rooted in her passion for Relational-Cultural Therapy (RCT), and her commitment to RCT extends into community building initiatives to promote the power of connection. Amy helps to bring the Relational Summits to Bloomington, featuring distinguished guests like Maureen Walker, Amy Banks, and Isaac Knapper. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;a href='https://music.apple.com/us/album/your-racist-friend/298111036?i=298111049&amp;amp;ign-mpt=uo%3D4'&gt;Buy "Your Racist Friend"&lt;/a&gt; by They Might Be Giants on iTunes&lt;/p&gt;
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Don and Amy play with the RCT Toybox cards, focusing on a discussion around three concepts: relational movement, guilt, and calm.

Episode 4.08: Move and Be Moved

Long-time friends Don Griffin, Jr. and Amy Makice, LCSW explore societal issues through the authentic lens of relational-cultural practices. ’My Racist Friend’ is a podcast about the messy parts of relationships that help us grow together. Through the authentic lens of their strong mutual relationship, their goal is to model difficult conversations that can promote understanding and connection in a world that needs both.

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