<description>&lt;p&gt;Host Mickey Desai sits down with Su Joun, principal of &lt;a href="https://diversityatworkplace.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Diversity at Workplace Consulting Group&lt;/a&gt;, to unpack the realities and misconceptions surrounding diversity, equity, and inclusion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Su reframes DEI not as a system of preferential treatment, but as a deliberate effort to remove barriers that prevent qualified individuals from accessing opportunity. Through practical examples and candid discussion, she challenges the idea that DEI undermines meritocracy, instead arguing that true meritocracy cannot exist without addressing systemic inequities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The conversation explores why DEI work remains necessary today, the impact of bias and micro-aggressions in everyday workplace dynamics, and how individuals (not just organizations) can take meaningful steps toward advocacy. Su also breaks down commonly misunderstood terms like equity vs. equality, psychological safety, and belonging, offering grounded, accessible definitions that cut through the noise.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From amplifying overlooked voices in meetings to asking better questions about barriers, this episode delivers a pragmatic roadmap for anyone looking to foster inclusion in real, tangible ways.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This episode is produced in partnership with the &lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/georgiainterfaithcenter/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Georgia Interfaith Public Policy Center&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Inclusion Catalyst invites you to become our next guest host. Learn more here: &lt;a href="http://inclusioncatalyst.com/join-us-as-a-guest-host/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://inclusioncatalyst.com/join-us-as-a-guest-host/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Inclusion Catalyst

Mickey Desai

Getting in Line: Rethinking DEI, Meritocracy, and Misconceptions

MAY 5, 202639 MIN
Inclusion Catalyst

Getting in Line: Rethinking DEI, Meritocracy, and Misconceptions

MAY 5, 202639 MIN

Description

<p>Host Mickey Desai sits down with Su Joun, principal of <a href="https://diversityatworkplace.com/" rel="nofollow">Diversity at Workplace Consulting Group</a>, to unpack the realities and misconceptions surrounding diversity, equity, and inclusion.</p> <p>Su reframes DEI not as a system of preferential treatment, but as a deliberate effort to remove barriers that prevent qualified individuals from accessing opportunity. Through practical examples and candid discussion, she challenges the idea that DEI undermines meritocracy, instead arguing that true meritocracy cannot exist without addressing systemic inequities.</p> <p>The conversation explores why DEI work remains necessary today, the impact of bias and micro-aggressions in everyday workplace dynamics, and how individuals (not just organizations) can take meaningful steps toward advocacy. Su also breaks down commonly misunderstood terms like equity vs. equality, psychological safety, and belonging, offering grounded, accessible definitions that cut through the noise.</p> <p>From amplifying overlooked voices in meetings to asking better questions about barriers, this episode delivers a pragmatic roadmap for anyone looking to foster inclusion in real, tangible ways.</p> <p>This episode is produced in partnership with the <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/georgiainterfaithcenter/" rel="nofollow">Georgia Interfaith Public Policy Center</a>.</p> <p>Inclusion Catalyst invites you to become our next guest host. Learn more here: <a href="http://inclusioncatalyst.com/join-us-as-a-guest-host/" rel="nofollow">http://inclusioncatalyst.com/join-us-as-a-guest-host/</a></p>