Charlie and Julie Kagawa (Fateless) discuss video games, working with fate and destiny, Julie's brilliant world building and magic system, and the decisions she made about where to end the book.

General references: Charlie and Julie's pre-show chat (which is the reason Charlie knows Julie meant Final Fantasy X) My episode with Samantha Sotto Yambao is 122

Books mentioned by name or extensively: Julie Kagawa: The Iron Fey Julie Kagawa: The Blood Of Eden Julie Kagawa: Talon

Games mentioned: Assassin's Creed D&D Final Fantasy X Final Fantasy X-2 Guild Wars 2 Hitman Prince Of Persia Splinter Cell Tomb Raider

Release details: recorded 19th May 2025; published 22nd September 2025

Where to find Julie online: Website || Instagram || Facebook || YouTube (Minecraft channel)

Where to find Charlie online: Website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok

Discussions

01:35 The video game inspirations (this becomes a longer discussion) 06:09 Writing the main characters 09:36 The fatechasers as a people 11:38 Working with an ensemble cast of characters 14:34 How Julie came to choose when to reveal the details of being fateless to the character 16:39 Writing the slow burn romance 18:56 Julie's awesome world building and unique magic system 22:22 Raithe's world and what we might learn about it in book two 24:07 Kovass' religion and how Julie worked with different sects of it 27:33 On Julie's decisions as to killing characters off 29:45 Choosing where to end this book 32:29 More about book two