Audio Branding

“I think that sound drives the emotion of a scene, right? As much as dialogue, right? Sound and music, score in particular… I just think it helps to create emotion in a scene or augments the performances. Because you gotta have great performances, but great performance coupled with, you know, great sound design or a great score, it just makes you feel, it does something, it makes you tingle. It does something to you that just envelops you in that moment, right?” – Kenneth JohnsonThis episode is the second half of my conversation with sonic storyteller and founder of Artistry in Sound, Kenneth Johnson, as we talk about his experiences as one of the earliest Black sound designers in Hollywood, the changes that AI and streaming media have brought to sound design, and how horror movies in particular combine a variety of sound approaches to make a powerful impact.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(00:00) – The Role of Sound in FilmOur discussion continues as Kenneth walks us through the process of sound design, from shooting script to the recording booth.“As I’m reading the script,” he tells us, “I’m sort of envisioning the project and thinking about, okay, well, what do I think it should sound like? And what can I do to embellish those scenes? And so once I’ve kind of digested that, then we do what’s called the spotting session with the creatives.” He tells us more about creating a cinematic soundscape and reveals just how little of what the audience hears comes from the action onscreen. “Everything, usually, other than the dialogue, we recreate,” he says. “Whether that’s a car race, a spaceship, or it’s by a river, everything that you hear, all the ambience, all the sound effects are redone. We’ve recreated that whole soundscape.”(15:45) – Production Recording vs. Post-ProductionKenneth tells us about his up-and-coming experiences in Hollywood and the importance of diversity in the sound industry. “What I do is I try to give people opportunities,” he explains. “My team, you know, are from their early twenties to forty, and the majority are African American, and the majority of them, well, all of them, basically, I trained and mentored. And they’re very talented.” We discuss the growing role of AI and streaming content in sound editing, and how much software apps have changed the process since his audio career began in the ‘90s. “Once we put [the audio track] into iZotope RX,” he tells us, “we could see it, and so I had to figure out what’s making this resonance. I had to take some things out, and it turns out it was a metal music stand that was vibrating and causing that frequency.”(25:30) – The Future of Sound DesignOur conversation comes to a close as we talk about the different roles and responsibilities involved in cinematic sound, from soundtracks to dialogue to each layer of Foley sound. “We want it to be able to breathe because if you just throw everything on the wall,” he says, “then it’s not going to be as nice as if you selectively pick what’s going up there. That’s important to figure out, who’s going to handle what, because a lot of times sound design and score can overlap.” Kenneth tells listeners how they can get in touch, and he offers his advice for newcomers in the sound industry, including the value of hands-on experience. “I can take you to a class and talk for a few hours about techniques… Are you going to retain that? Probably not,” he says. “If you’re able to get in there like I did and have access to being able to work and try out different things and get advice, you’re going to move faster.”Episode SummaryWe discuss how sound drives emotion and shapes a movie’s narrative.Kenneth outlines his creative process from script reading to ambient sound design.Insights and advice from Kenneth for the next generation of sound designers.Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.comConnect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVOConnect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!)Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest!https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategyhttps://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

This episode’s guest is an award–winning supervising sound designer whose groundbreaking work has shaped the sound of some of television and film’s most iconic projects, including Netflix’s hit series Forever and Kevin Hart’s animated comedy Lil Kev. Born and raised in South Central Los Angeles, he rose through the ranks of Hollywood post-production, breaking barriers as one of the few Black sound designers in the industry and earning multiple MPSE Golden Reel Awards and Emmy nominations. Today, he’s not only redefining sonic storytelling but also championing greater diversity behind the scenes, ensuring the voices shaping what we hear are as dynamic as the stories themselves.His name is Kenneth Johnson, and in this episode, we’ll discover how he transforms silence into emotion and builds powerful storytelling through every note, tone, and texture.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(00:00) – Kenneth’s Early InfluencesWe start things off with a look at Kenneth’s journey from a childhood in the South Central projects to an award-winning Hollywood career. “Something just came over me, and I said, you know what? This is it, I’m kind of done,” he recalls a pivotal moment early in life. “I had to make a decision as to what I wanted to do with the rest of my life, and, you know, I’ve always liked music.” He tells us about his early career in post-production sound and a chance encounter with producer J.R. DeLang. “He said, ‘That’s great, but you can’t come in and just sit in that chair. You’ve got to work your way up to that.’” Kenneth tells us of their first meeting. “He said, ‘we’ve got two positions that usually work their way up to being [soundtrack] mixers, and that’s a dialogue editor and a sound effects editor.’”(12:45) – The Journey to Sound DesignKenneth tells us more about his work as a sound designer and the art of creating impossible sounds, such as the wild inventions in the Honey, I Shrunk the Kids series. “They were always creating these contraptions and things that don’t exist,” he says, “so you had to figure it out in your mind. You’d have to say, ‘Well, what do I think it sounds like?’ Or what should it sound like? And then you start putting pieces together.” He recalls his sound editing work from a memorable scene in the award-winning movie Road to Perdition and the thought process behind it. “We started out with just hearing the sounds of winter,” Kenneth explains. “And then he tries to start the car, and the car is not really functioning and he’s having an issue starting it. And so that whole sequence of him trying to start the car and then finally getting it started was, it was just really beautiful.”(25:30) – The Power of SilenceAs the first half of our conversation wraps up, Kenneth emphasizes the importance of testing sound work in its native format as well as the studio. “I think a lot of times people don’t do that,” he says. “They don’t play it back in the medium that it’s meant to be played on. They just play it in the room and it sounds fantastic, right? But then when you squash it all down to a stereo file, it will sound different.” We talk about what goes into setting up an ideal sound studio and about the importance of “tuning” a room. “Say there’s a dip in the low end,” he explains, “and the room hasn’t been compensated. We’re going to push the low end, which means that possibly when it gets to another playback format, the bass is going to be really loud. So we try to mix in a neutral environment where everything is flat.”Episode SummaryKenneth discusses his childhood and transition to film and television sound design.We discuss the challenge of creating sound effects for things that don’t exist.Kenneth emphasizes the importance of maintaining an ideal studio sound space.Tune in for next week’s episode as we discuss how Kenneth puts sound to work in shaping a narrative, how his role as a sound designer has changed since digital sound editing became the norm, and his advice for people who are just starting out in post-production and sound editing.Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.comConnect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVOConnect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!)Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest!https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategyhttps://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

“The reason why brands and companies should be thinking about audio is because all of their consumers are, whether they know it or not. I mean, to your point about people knowing when something doesn’t feel right but not necessarily knowing why, a lot of times it’s audio. Especially now too, with so much AI slop and the level of inauthenticity that is being broadcasted, a really great song jingle, like a really well-crafted sound design for movements in things like action, sports, or what have you, that can bring in the viewer or the listener into a world that I just cannot.” – David GielanThis episode is the second half of my conversation with founder and CEO of Dominant Creative, and founder and CTO of DominantLabs.AI, David Gielan, as we discuss the shifting balance between AI content and natural creativity, where he sees the advertising industry heading as human artists become more of a luxury, and the link between branding, better sales, and the power of sound.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(00:00) – The Importance of Audio in MarketingThe second half of our conversation starts as David relays a lesson Emma Thompson shared in one of her books about the impact that just writing our thoughts down can have on the brain. “She says there’s a relation between the way that our brain works and our hand,” he recalls. “You fundamentally learn what it is you’re putting down on paper by having that connection, which I think is really interesting. And we totally miss it if we put it into an AI chatbot.” We focus on the steady growth of AI in the advertising industry, and how it’s making organic content both less common and more valuable. “In the same way that I buy vinyl and listen to vinyl,” David says, “that’s how voiceover, and, in my humble opinion, sound design, music creation, all these things will be. There will be a premium for it, and there’ll be a much smaller group doing it because you will not be able to make a living at it.”(08:15) – AI’s Impact on CreativityDavid tells us more about his creative process, and how he took a deliberately low-tech approach to mixing his last album: “I didn’t want samples from somebody I’ve never met, somebody I didn’t know who played it in some studio in Prague to have their stuff on my record,” he explains. “And so I think there are more people out there who feel the same way that I do.” AI can have its advantages, though, and he describes how he puts it to use when brainstorming. “When I want to sketch out storyboards,” he says, “it’s much easier for me to clarify that idea and then have it animated… Not because I’m trying to put out a final product, but because I’m trying to understand better what I want.”(22:35) – Crafting an Authentic Brand SoundAs our conversation comes to a close, David shares some of the projects that have marked the highlights of his career, and the role sound played in shaping their success. “One of the proudest things I have in my career is a piece of audio that’s absolutely defined the legacy of that brand. And it is very easy to forget what drives a consumer to make a purchasing decision to align themselves with an identity because that’s essentially what, you know, your dollars go to.” We discuss the link between visual, audio, and ad revenue, and how he puts all three to use to build a successful brand. “The thing I spend most of my time doing is connecting the dots between a good brand and better sales,” he tells us. “Ultimately, that’s what it will or will not do. And audio is a massive part of that.”Episode SummaryDavid discusses why brands should focus on authentic audio experiences.The conversation shifts to the effects of AI on sound design and creativity.David shares his philosophy on creating sound with a personal touch.Connect with the GuestDominant Creative’s website: https://dominantcreative.com/David’s website: https://gielan.com/Follow David Gielan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dgielan/Follow David Gielan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/davidgielan/Follow David Gielan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidgielan/Get your complimentary mini e-book and learn how to create your personalized and branded audio branding strategy with my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategy.Do you need a voice talent for your next project? Visit my voice-over website to find out more about how my voice can help you with your audio brand. You can also subscribe to the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube to watch the show’s latest episodes.Please leave the Audio Branding Podcast a written review so others can find the show on their favorite podcast player!Want to be a guest on Audio Branding? Send Jodi a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/jodikrangle.This interview episode was very skillfully made to sound beautiful by the talented Humberto Franco.** Transcript available upon requestThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

“To your point, like it can make or break campaigns, can make or break TV and film. I mean, you know, there’s mumblegate that’s happening, like with all the streamers where I can’t understand half the things that are being spoken... And in the interview, he was like, ‘Well, it’s just not important to me.’ I’m like, what?” – David GielanThis week’s guest is a six-time founder and creative strategist who knows the power of sound in shaping stories that stick. As founder of Dominant Creative, a global agency and production company, he helps brands harness audio to spark connection and inspire change. His name is David Gielan, and in this episode, he shares how sound influences branding, fuels emotion, and helps organizations stand out in a noisy world. If you care about where audio is headed, you’ll want to hear this one.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(00:00) – David’s Journey from Music to MarketingAs our conversation starts, David recalls his early memories of sound and how he’s passing on the lessons he learned to his own children. “Being even two or three years old,” he says, “I have these memories of dancing to records in my home and, you know, I just try to impart that on my kids too when they were very young.” He tells us more about his experience in marketing and ad production, and how having a background in music can sometimes be a mixed blessing. “I am not a person who can go to live music events as just an appreciator of music,” David explains. “It makes it absolutely impossible for me…. I’m just going to be sitting there in my head trying to pick it apart, not in a negative way, but just in a way of trying to understand how it was all put together.”(08:15) – Mumblegate and Audio ClarityThe discussion continues as David tells us more about the role sound plays in his approach to branding. “ I also have always been the kind of director and creative who is considering sound at each stage of the process,” he tells us. “And so I’m also doing the edit in my head and I’m doing the sound design in my head while we’re filming, while we’re working on it, and so it just gives me a greater level of control, but also creative inspiration as I’m working.” Our conversation turns to “mumblegate,” the sound editing trend that’s making streaming audio harder to hear than ever, and how it can work against a marketing campaign. “I think for a lot of people,” he adds, “sound is usually an afterthought, especially because advertising a lot of time is a very visual medium… The creatives that I love working with most are the ones who come from post before they started getting into the director’s chair, because they understand how something incredibly simple can make such a massive impact.”(22:35) – The Role of Sound DesignAs the first half of our conversation closes, the topic turns to how David puts sound to use in his own marketing work, such as an ad campaign he created for Yonex. “It was a very dark and emotive and impactful round of spots that were mainly driven by sound design,” he recalls. “It was just the visuals of a racket spinning. But it really came to life when, you know, when those moments were accented by key sound effects.” Our discussion returns to his insights on mumblegate, and how often it comes down to a struggle between sound editors and producers. “I’ve worked with a number of rerecording mixers over the years that bury dialogue because they’re forced to do so, not because they want to. They’re like, ‘No, I want to bring clarity to this project and so people can follow the story and understand what’s going on.’ And then they’re, you know, shouted down by the folks at the top.”Episode SummaryDavid talks about his career journey and personal experiences with sound.Why audio clarity seems to be less of a focus in today’s media.David shares the impact of sound design in his advertising campaigns.Tune in for next week’s episode as we talk about the human creativity premium that the AI rush is helping to create, how David’s balancing automation and his personal approach to building a campaign, and why he feels that sound is an untapped resource when it comes to branding.Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.comConnect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVOConnect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!)Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest!https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategyhttps://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy

“Live is always going to be great. Human connection is the only thing that will differentiate AI from people and from artists. And that is, I think, going to be the key lever that artists have left. So in the same way as you might go and buy a handmade coffee cup for $20 from an artisan stall when you can buy one for a dollar in Walmart, music will still hold great value.” – David Courtier-DuttonThis episode is the second half of my conversation with the founder and CEO of SoundOut, David Courtier-Dutton, as we discuss the catch-22 financial companies can face when it comes to making a sonic impression, how some companies are reaching old and new customers alike by reviving the radio jingles of years past, and the role of audio branding in an increasingly AI-driven world.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com, where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, along with other interesting bits of audio-related news. And if you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help, and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(00:00) – Surprising Trends in Sonic BrandingThe second half of our conversation starts as David shares more of SoundOut’s discoveries about the effectiveness of branding, including why Visa and Mastercard’s sonic logos haven’t made the impact they’d hoped. “Listening to their sonic logo in isolation with no brand association,” David explains, “20% and 31% respectively said, yeah, we know the brand. But not one person out of those 400 across the two brands could actually write the brand name when asked what the brand was.” We talk about the old radio jingles and how some companies are finding success in reviving them for a new generation. “Both Maybelline and Pillsbury,” he tells us, “are sort of historic logos that were retired for a long time, and you just cannot underestimate the power of bringing back an old, beloved sonic logo… I wouldn’t say it’s an easy win, but it is, because those neural pathways are absolutely locked in.”(8:45) – The Role of AI in Music and MarketingDavid and I talk about the elephant in the room, AI and its impact on marketing, and the shift he’s seen over the past year. “Up until about six months ago,” he observes, “we were seeing very little of it. There are some obvious concerns around legalities … brands won’t want to use music created by AI in case it is actually breaching copyright. [But[ that will get sorted in the next six months or so, I think.”He shares his thoughts on how search processes are being increasingly handled by AI, and how audio can help brands stand out from the crowd. “The brand will go nowhere near the consumer,” he tells us. “So anything that you can do to make your brand more distinctive when you are advertising online and through music, anything to make a brand more prominent, can only help.”(20:30) – The Power of Authenticity in BrandingAs our discussion comes to a close, David elaborates on his observation that AI is increasingly talking to itself rather than users. “We’re basically talking agents talking to agents,” he explains, “so AI agents talking to AI agents… I would imagine within 12 months it’ll become quite a big thing. And within three years, it’ll be everywhere. Everywhere.” We talk about the role human creativity might still play in a marketplace driven by AI, and one advantage musicians still have over machine-generated content. “It can feign emotion,” he says, “but you’ll never move an AI with a song because it doesn’t do emotion, and it literally, it never will… Emotion and empathy are all that we have as humans to distinguish ourselves from machines. And so music will… music will survive forever.”Episode SummaryThe challenges and surprising innovations in building a distinctive audio brand.How AI audio content has already begun to reshape the digital landscape.David shares his insights on what the growth of AI means for human artists.Connect with the Audio Branding Podcast:Book your project with Voice Overs and Vocals by visiting https://voiceoversandvocals.comConnect with me on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jodikrangle/Watch the Audio Branding Podcast on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JodiKrangleVOConnect with me on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodikrangle/Leave the Audio Branding Podcast a review at https://lovethepodcast.com/audiobranding (Thank you!)Share your passion effectively with these Tips for Sounding Your Best as a Podcast Guest!https://voiceoversandvocals.com/tips-for-sounding-your-best-as-a-podcast-guest/Get my Top Five Tips for Implementing an Intentional Audio Strategyhttps://voiceoversandvocals.com/audio-branding-strategy/Editing/Production by Humberto Franco - https://humbertofranco.com/This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: OP3 - https://op3.dev/privacy