For years, conversations about gender equity at work have been framed as a women's issue. But what if that's the wrong conversation entirely? What if the real challenge isn't fixing women so they can survive outdated systems—but fixing the systems themselves? In this episode, Nicole sits down with Dr. David Smith and Dr. Brad Johnson, co-authors of Fair Share: How Men and Women Can Create a More Equitable Workplace Together, to unpack what true gender fairness looks like in today's workplace. Together, they explore why gender equity benefits everyone, how outdated workplace norms are hurting both women and men, and what leaders can do to create workplaces where people can thrive professionally and personally. This conversation challenges zero-sum thinking, dismantles harmful workplace myths, and offers practical strategies for building more equitable organizations—without pitting one gender against another. In This Episode We Discuss: What gender fairness actually means—and why it's not the same as treating everyone exactly the same Why gender equity benefits men, women, organizations, and families The myth that gender fairness requires men to lose in order for women to win Why workplace equity is a leadership responsibility, not a women's initiative How caregiving expectations impact career advancement for both women and men Why flexibility, caregiving support, and pay transparency matter The role leaders play in creating inclusive and equitable workplaces Gender fairness isn't about giving one group an advantage—it's about creating workplaces that reflect how people actually live, work, lead, and care today. When organizations stop trying to fix individuals and start fixing outdated systems, everyone benefits. Thank you to our sponsors! Elevate your summer wardrobe: Go to Quince.com/tiww for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns! Start your risk-free Greenlight trial today at Greenlight.com/TIWW. Don't wait to teach your kids real-world money skills! Go to https://CovePure.com/tiww to get $250 off. Thanks to CovePure for sponsoring this episode! Connect with David and Brad: Book: https://a.co/d/0gnzUCWN  Website: https://workplaceallies.com/  LI David: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidgsmithphd/  LI Brad: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wbradjohnson/  Related Podcast Episodes: How To Navigate Parental Leave with Daphne Delvaux, Esq | 335 Women’s Role in Defining Masculinity with Moe Carrick | 252 177 / This Is A Man’s Job with Alison Armstrong Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review:Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music | YouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices