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Joel Schafer: Journey in the Underworld [King Hero Interview]

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I’m Beth Martens—founder of the House of Free Will, pattern hunter, archetype reader, podcaster, author, coach trainer, and business coach. My calling has truly been a life-or-death matter. After a decade as a corporate VP in my family’s firm, eight transformative trips to India, and a three-year battle with cancer nearly 25 years ago, I turned to archetypes and deep deprogramming work to save my life.

Despite doing everything wrong based on limited health knowledge, I accessed the hidden inner roots of what was keeping me sick, stuck, and unconscious. Letting those patterns go changed everything. I went from dying to living almost overnight.

Today, I help people who love truth more than their beliefs—people who want to serve with their life’s work and walk their Hero’s Journey—to deprogram the beast system from within and stop unconsciously feeding the forces that harm us.

I host the King Hero interview series, where I spotlight leaders, entrepreneurs, movement makers, and lovers of freedom who are carving new paths in a world that desperately needs them. And I also share my own voice, insights, and stories through my new solo podcast, Beth of Fresh Air.

133 MIN

DEC 12, 2025

After hearing him in many different conversations, and discovering our revelations in common, I’m totally stoked to talk with Joel Schafer myself.

You could say not everyone gets excited about a journey in the underworld, rather they avoid it like the plague. But there are those that take on this blood sport (half joking) to meet the unmet, in potentially multiple dimensions no less.

In this King Hero interview I’ll tell the story about my history with the shamanic spiritual path compared with what happened, and ask Joel about the multi-facets of the path including — the cults and cult leaders he encountered, the benefits and potential pitfalls of having a psychedelic pallet to heal, vision, and CREATE with, and the ultimate goal of the work he guides.

We’ll go deep into the cosmology of his Toltec teachers, and his direct experiences that are off the map of their teachings. And no discussion in the shamanic realm would be complete without exploring the nature of entities, demons, possessions, and how they may relate with psychedelic experiences.

Learn more about Joel

Joel Schafer is a personal empowerment mentor & shamanic dreaming arts teacher. Through online courses, one-on-one mentoring & in-person workshops, Joel trains people in a highly effective way to reclaim vital energy & attention utilizing the Toltec knowledge base. These are powerful nonlinear redistribution techniques that guide & support students in discovering clear purpose, increasing awareness, getting grounded, reclaiming focus & accessing strong intent. Joel is also an excellent listener and mirror, offering practical but magical solutions to life's challenges.

Visit his YouTube channel, Perceiver

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Beth of Fresh Air - Episode 8: De-Cult

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And if we're just meeting...

I’m Beth Martens, a pattern hunter, archetype reader, podcaster, author, coach trainer, and business coach, and my calling is a life or death thing. After a decade as a corporate VP in my family’s firm, eight trips to India, and a three-year battle with cancer nearly 25 years ago, I used archetypes and deprogramming harmful patterns to save my life.

I was doing nearly everything wrong, in the physical, but tapped into and let go of the roots of the matter that were embedded and unconscious. And I went from dying to living practically overnight.

Today I help people who love the truth more than their beliefs, and who want to serve with their life's work and be on their Hero’s Journey, to de-program the beast system and stop making it easy for those trying to kill us.

I host regular King Hero interviews highlighting leaders, entrepreneurs, movement makers, and lovers of freedom.

128 MIN

DEC 6, 2025

De-culting is a very important skill that I hope to help people with, God help me. lol

I was in several cults myself, and I’m sure you have been at one time or another too. Whether they were in the spiritual, health, or other arenas everyone’s life has been particularly touched by cult culture.

It requires a special sauce to extricate from a cult, and we will unpack what that is. I’m counting on the chat to share their cult experiences, and I’m thinking this might turn into a series since a deep dive into some of the cults in particular would be useful.

We will talk about the scale of cults, the harm participation in them brings, and look at the solutions in the same place I always find them.

PS Because I name the episodes of BoFA with verbs I had to invent a word, “de-cult”. Here’s what AI says the meaning of it is. It gets me, which I know is not necessarily a good thing. LOL

From AI:

“The term "de-cult" is not a standard or widely recognized word in English. However, based on the context provided, it may be interpreted as a conceptual opposite of "cult," potentially referring to the process of disengaging from or dismantling a group or movement characterized by intense devotion, isolation, and control.”

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Discover deprogramming and archetype courses at www.bethmartens.com

Apply for a zero-cost, one-on-one chat about working together: https://www.bethmartens.com/awaken-your-journey-archetype-application

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Take my starter course: Deprogramming 101: https://www.bethmartens.com/deprogramming101

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Beth of Fresh Air - Episode 7: Clear

If we're just meeting...

I’m Beth Martens—founder of the House of Free Will, pattern hunter, archetype reader, podcaster, author, coach trainer, and business coach. My calling has truly been a life-or-death matter. After a decade as a corporate VP in my family’s firm, eight transformative trips to India, and a three-year battle with cancer nearly 25 years ago, I turned to archetypes and deep deprogramming work to save my life.

Despite doing everything wrong based on limited health knowledge, I accessed the hidden inner roots of what was keeping me sick, stuck, and unconscious. Letting those patterns go changed everything. I went from dying to living almost overnight.

Today, I help people who love truth more than their beliefs—people who want to serve with their life’s work and walk their Hero’s Journey—to deprogram the beast system from within and stop unconsciously feeding the forces that harm us.

I host the King Hero interview series, where I spotlight leaders, entrepreneurs, movement makers, and lovers of freedom who are carving new paths in a world that desperately needs them. And I also share my own voice, insights, and stories through my new solo podcast, Beth of Fresh Air.

125 MIN

DEC 1, 2025

There are a million things in our lives that are not clear. Some by design, some by our own making. Next thing you know there’s a mess. Maybe you made it, maybe you didn’t, but if it’s important to you and holding you back…

Lack of clarity shows up in many ways.

A cluttered, not clean living space that constantly distracts you from simply living
A toxic body that keeps grabbing your attention with annoying symptoms.
A toxic mind that is full of junk you don’t want to be thinking.
A toxic heart full of feelings you’d rather not feel. The list goes on.

This episode of Beth of Fresh Air is dedicated to one of my go-to solutions for many problems — to clean the heck up!

I’ll be exploring one of the 8 limbs in the Patanjali Yoga Sutras that emphasizes the spiritual gains from cleaning up, what cleaning up means at every level — body, mind, and spirit — why detoxing programs is the best way to speed a clean up at every level, and what the disciplined work will make easier.

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Find me at bethmartens.com to do a King Hero Archetype quiz and find out where you currently are on the path of purpose.

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Beth of Fresh Air - Episode 6: Remember 2

If we're just meeting...

I’m Beth Martens—founder of the House of Free Will, pattern hunter, archetype reader, podcaster, author, coach trainer, and business coach. My calling has truly been a life-or-death matter. After a decade as a corporate VP in my family’s firm, eight transformative trips to India, and a three-year battle with cancer nearly 25 years ago, I turned to archetypes and deep deprogramming work to save my life.

Despite doing everything wrong based on limited health knowledge, I accessed the hidden inner roots of what was keeping me sick, stuck, and unconscious. Letting those patterns go changed everything. I went from dying to living almost overnight.

Today, I help people who love truth more than their beliefs—people who want to serve with their life’s work and walk their Hero’s Journey—to deprogram the beast system from within and stop unconsciously feeding the forces that harm us.

I host the King Hero interview series, where I spotlight leaders, entrepreneurs, movement makers, and lovers of freedom who are carving new paths in a world that desperately needs them. And I also share my own voice, insights, and stories through my new solo podcast, Beth of Fresh Air.

117 MIN

NOV 22, 2025

In this episode of Beth of Fresh Air I’ll be covering the 14 or more things I forgot to talk about in the first BoFA episode #5: Remember. Oh the irony lol. It’s a bigger subject than I thought that deserves a second go.

Among my points I’ll be discussing with the live chat how memory intersects with the senses and emotions, past lives, the Aakaashik record, how memory and revelation compare, the gross inaccuracy of memory, nostalgia for the past and future, meaningful memories vs. those that seem to be utterly meaningless, and more.

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